Rossi on a Ducati, WHne will they win?

J4rn0 said:

That is exactly what they have: screamer engines updated and ready. Actually according to Guareschi they have three types of engine (I assume a screamer and two different firing orders of big bang) that are switchable any moment at the rider's request.

As regarding Stoner asking for a more tractable engine, that's exactly what happened. It's all on record. As it is on record that it was Hayden and him, together, choosing the big bang engine over the screamer for 2010, after they both tested it... There was no manipulation there, unless they hypnotized both their riders

For testing, they do have Battaini testing full time at Mugello -- and it is true that Battaini is mainly working for Rossi-2011 now. The idea of using Stoner for developing a bike for Rossi sounds risky, seen the very personal riding style and peculiar setup preferences Stoner has.

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Very interesting. Have they had the screamers ready to go all year? Was the engine durability aspect which admittedly may have all been speculative as I don't recall any comment actually from ducati just that (as in speculative)? I am not sure the engine was the major problem for stoner though, but rather the new front forks, and he seems to have come up with some sort of solution of his own after reverting to the old forks. One thing burgess has definitely been quoted correctly as saying is that it took yamaha a lot of testing to get their front forks right, and this is presumably something that could be transferred to ducati.



I agree with you about it being possibly ill-advised to have stoner test for rossi . Simoncelli has added his voice to spies in saying he does not know what the hell casey is doing, and from the sound of things burgess may not know either, this being a possible interpretation of his comment on the set-ups of the "lesser" ducati riders.

Talpa said:

Confucius say



'He who flings mud must enjoy getting dirty'

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He who sleeps with dogs

wakes up with flees.

michaelm said:

Very interesting. Have they had the screamers ready to go all year? Was the engine durability aspect which admittedly may have all been speculative as I don't recall any comment actually from ducati just that (as in speculative)? I am not sure the engine was the major problem for stoner though, but rather the new front forks, and he seems to have come up with some sort of solution of his own after reverting to the old forks. One thing burgess has definitely been quoted correctly as saying is that it took yamaha a lot of testing to get their front forks right, and this is presumably something that could be transferred to ducati.



I agree with you about it being possibly ill-advised to have stoner test for rossi

. Simoncelli has added his voice to spies in saying he does not know what the hell casey is doing, and from the sound of things burgess may not know either, this being a possible interpretation of his comment on the set-ups of the "lesser" ducati riders.

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for others to read...



“I am really happy because we have qualified on the third row for the last few races but today I managed it and with a little bit more I could have been on the front row! I’m really pleased with this although being honest I have to admit that Spies is probably a bit faster. We have made a good step this morning though and now all we have to do is look ahead to the race. The wind was a bit of a problem today, especially when I was on my fast lap. I was behind Stoner at that point and I honestly cannot understand how he manages to go so fast!”



http://motogpworld.net/2010/10/marco-simoncelli-takes-motogp-qualifying-position-phillip-island/

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“I am really happy because we have qualified on the third row for the last few races but today I managed it and with a little bit more I could have been on the front row! I’m really pleased with this although being honest I have to admit that Spies is probably a bit faster. We have made a good step this morning though and now all we have to do is look ahead to the race. The wind was a bit of a problem today, especially when I was on my fast lap. I was behind Stoner at that point and I honestly cannot understand how he manages to go so fast!”



http://motogpworld.net/2010/10/marco-simoncelli-takes-motogp-qualifying-position-phillip-island/

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If you like conspiracy theories you could suggest Dorna made Bridgstone give stoner some very special tyres to ensure a home win to keep the aussie interest in motogp What do you think Lex ?

"At Phillip Island the Ducati always goes as if on rails", said Capirossi in 2007 when he was surprisingly second behind Stoner and someone asked him if that was an encouraging sign, that he was beginning to understand the Desmo 800cc. It wasn't.

P.I. is a track that the Ducati just loves. In such conditions a rider like Stoner can really make the difference become abysmal. He's a natural. Fastest rider on the planet.

J4rn0 said:

"At Phillip Island the Ducati always goes as if on rails", said Capirossi in 2007 when he was surprisingly second behind Stoner and someone asked him if that was an encouraging sign, that he was beginning to understand the Desmo 800cc. It wasn't.

P.I. is a track that the Ducati just loves. In such conditions a rider like Stoner can really make the difference become abysmal. He's a natural. Fastest rider on the planet.

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Yes, a win at estoril would say more about the bike and how much rossi has to work with.

michaelm said:

Yes, a win at estoril would say more about the bike and how much rossi has to work with.

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The Duck is strong there too, but not near the same levels as PI, can't see anyone getting near Jorge next week, unless its hot and Rossi works out the Harder tyre again.

Nice read.



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surendhar said:

Nice read.



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Good piece.

i'd like to think he will win in his first 5 races on the ducati



but i beleive rossi could win races on any of the factory machines. its the sort of guy he is hes a natural racer weather it be on 2 or 4 wheels track or dirt.

i think the combination of rossi burgess will bring the duck together in time but i don't think they will challenge hard in 2011 .



I think its all about the 2012 season on the 1000s where everyteam will hit the track on a level playing field so to speak and thats where they expect to ply there trade. and win races. and also where rossi will be thrown into the marketing frenzy for ducati as the replacment for the 1198 is unvailed.



just to throw another angle in to the debate about rossi and ducati coming together

who did ducati want more rossi or burgess. i thnk it was more about burgess . before i'm tied to a post and shot for slateing rossi. What i will say its always been said that burgess id the man that can translate what the rider is saying about the bike quicker and more accuratley than any other crew cheif out there and also not to mention what the guy has to offer with the mind if info he has gained working for all the factory teams he has . he is the missing peice in the ducato jigsaw for me.



but 2012 will be rossi and ducatis year



but it all makes for great racing and debate

2 wheeled panzer commander said:

i'd like to think he will win in his first 5 races on the ducati



but i beleive rossi could win races on any of the factory machines. its the sort of guy he is hes a natural racer weather it be on 2 or 4 wheels track or dirt.

i think the combination of rossi burgess will bring the duck together in time but i don't think they will challenge hard in 2011 .



I think its all about the 2012 season on the 1000s where everyteam will hit the track on a level playing field so to speak and thats where they expect to ply there trade. and win races. and also where rossi will be thrown into the marketing frenzy for ducati as the replacment for the 1198 is unvailed.



just to throw another angle in to the debate about rossi and ducati coming together

who did ducati want more rossi or burgess. i thnk it was more about burgess . before i'm tied to a post and shot for slateing rossi. What i will say its always been said that burgess id the man that can translate what the rider is saying about the bike quicker and more accuratley than any other crew cheif out there and also not to mention what the guy has to offer with the mind if info he has gained working for all the factory teams he has . he is the missing peice in the ducato jigsaw for me.



but 2012 will be rossi and ducatis year



but it all makes for great racing and debate

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An interesting point and one I'd not really thought about.

That said, JB could help Ducati, regardless of the rider. But the two together is something else.

I think foremost it would have been Rossi Ducati wanted more, hoping that JB would follow to complete the package.

Getting JB would just be the icing on the cake IMO.

2 wheeled panzer commander said:

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Dear 2 wheeled panzer commander, I think you're forum name is too short. Welcome to the forum.



To answer you question, check out Mick Doohan's comments on Burgess.

Jumkie said:

Dear 2 wheeled panzer commander, I think you're forum name is too short.

Welcome to the forum.



To answer you question, check out Mick Doohan's comments on Burgess.

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will take a look .



Al



ps but( bmw rider )is so boring lol

Jumkie said:

Dear 2 wheeled panzer commander, I think you're forum name is too short.

Welcome to the forum.



To answer you question, check out Mick Doohan's comments on Burgess.

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jumkie could you put a link up for where mick doohans comments about bergess are as i could not find them



cheers Al

2 wheeled panzer commander said:

just to throw another angle in to the debate about rossi and ducati coming together

who did ducati want more rossi or burgess. i thnk it was more about burgess . before i'm tied to a post and shot for slateing rossi. What i will say its always been said that burgess id the man that can translate what the rider is saying about the bike quicker and more accuratley than any other crew cheif out there and also not to mention what the guy has to offer with the mind if info he has gained working for all the factory teams he has . he is the missing peice in the ducato jigsaw for me.



but 2012 will be rossi and ducatis year

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I think they have wanted rossi probably since entering motogp as others have said; presiozi actually joked about them having signed rossi to get burgess when rossi's signing became official (" to get an engineer like burgess we are happy to sign even a rider like valentino rossi" or words to that effect) and whilst I am sure they are happy to have burgess it may even have been at rossi's insistence.



To be totally honest and secondary to their long-term wish to get rossi I think that during stoner's travails last year they decided they wanted an elite/championship capable rider other than casey stoner, both because of concerns that his bike requirements were too idiosyncratic and left them totally dependent on him and because of perceived doubts about his reliabilty at the time.

Interesting how already 75% of PSer's got this wrong

I never thought he would get a win this season, ive stated this in many other threads

2012 will be Ducati/rossi season but i think he will not find it easy. Dispite what some say i think the bike is changing for the better but theres a lot more work to do.



Funny how the poll doesn't give a next season option but does give a "never" option

BarryMachine said:

Interesting how already 75% of PSer's got this wrong

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But not surprising, we have at least one member who predicts every week that Rossi will win, and Stoner will DNF

chopperman said:

I never thought he would get a win this season, ive stated this in many other threads

2012 will be Ducati/rossi season but i think he will not find it easy. Dispite what some say i think the bike is changing for the better but theres a lot more work to do.



Funny how the poll doesn't give a next season option but does give a "never" option

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Your take on things in the When Will Stoner Win thread was pretty far of the mark & we are only 5 races in. What makes you think you are right here?

2 wheeled panzer commander said:

just to throw another angle in to the debate about rossi and ducati coming together

who did ducati want more rossi or burgess. i thnk it was more about burgess . before i'm tied to a post and shot for slateing rossi. What i will say its always been said that burgess id the man that can translate what the rider is saying about the bike quicker and more accuratley than any other crew cheif out there and also not to mention what the guy has to offer with the mind if info he has gained working for all the factory teams he has . he is the missing peice in the ducato jigsaw for me.



but 2012 will be rossi and ducatis year



but it all makes for great racing and debate

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I agree........possibly the "Italian on an Italian motorcycle" carries a fair whack of marketing power, but the knowledge that JB would come on board with him would have been a major factor.



As good as Rossi is/may be......he's smart enough to stick with JB. We all have a little black reference book we take to the track to dial in bike settings for that days weather, track temp ect.......imagine the book JB has !!



No matter which rider is on the bike, and what they are saying it is/isn't doing.......30 years and three world champions worth of info to draw upon.



Honda was lost until this year after he left,



Yamaha may well end up back where they were before JB .......I really hope not........I would like good, close racing between all makes......but that's been a dream for the 25 years I've been following this sport....always one manufacturer on top/far ahead of the others in any given year/years.



The only exception would be Schwantz on that bloody ....-box Suzuki. That was nothing short of will-power and determination.........even when he was finishing second to Rainey. (Which, championship wise, was every year till Rainey's terrible accident)



Don't get me wrong.........I am a Suzuki man when it comes to road bikes, but they have never been able to build a decent GP bike since the mid 80's........and that is open for some serious debate.



.......I am also a rabid Schwantz fan.





The best we can hope for is that Yamaha learnt something from JB, that Ducati does, and that Honda stay as competitive as they are now.



Then we may get some real close racing.



And wouldn't that be a fitting legacy to JB if/when he retires......that he left the sport having influnced the direction of all the main players to a point where they are all competitive machines.





....now.....if he'd just go to Suzuki before he retires.