Rossi fans burn Marc Marquez dummy/apparel

9TimeGod said:

Youve got that all wrong. The advantage the 02 RCV had was the best rider ever built was piloting it.
How can you call a bike technologically outdated that won the championship the year before? These bikes dont change drastically from year to year. Just last year we saw Marquez pilfer his 14 frame because the 15 wasn't working for him. There are a great many examples of riders going back to the previous years bike.

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So the 2014 Honda 213RCV that had minor differences in the frame from the 2015 model is comparable to going from a 500cc 2 stroke to a 990cc 4 stroke bicycle that shared no common engine or chassis parts? Oh god you are too funny, you clearly have ZERO knowledge of bike engineering, or anything for that matter apart from how good Valentino Rossi's semen tastes. Comparing a year on year evolution to arguably the biggest shake up in technical regulations the sport ever saw shows how little you know. I'm sure F1 would have been happy to allow 2013 style F1 cars to still race in F1 because by your assumption, there isn't much difference right?

I do actually know the differences between a 2/ and a 4/, and have forgotten more than you will ever know. I won't tell you how because it's none of your business, but the respected people here know I have an extensive background in motor racing and tuning. You are mistaking the word stroke for bang. A 2 bang for you is 2 cocks in your mouth, a 4 bang is 2 in the pink and 4 in the stink, all of them wearing Rossi masks to satisfy your fetish


Again, you glossed over the fact that Alex Barros, who didn't get the 4 stroke Honda until the 13th round of the season, promptly won his first race on it. If it was all down to the rider how did that happen?

Stoner had a year on 4 strokes before he went to Ducati. The characteristics of the 990 and the 800 were not drastically different.

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Oh really? Go on then, how so?

A four stroke is like having a .... in your mouth, a two-stroke is like having a .... in your ....

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That's a good one.

Anyone that watched in 07 could see the Ducati was a rocketship while the M1 and RCV were sleds. The 07 RCV was one of Hondas biggest abortions. Rossi and probabaly half the grid would have easily won if they were riding the Duc that year.

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Yes Rossi would have won, he showed he could win on a totally dominant bike in 2002. When the RCV was a rocketship and the M1 and Suzuki was a sled and all the other bikes were 2/.

If the Ducati was so dominant, how did it only win 10 races compared to the 13 in total won by the 2002 RCV?

The fact is, you have Rossi's .... so far up your arse you have no logic...enjoy guzzling his ....

A professional motorcycle racer said to me a couple of years back that the difference between a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke is way overstated and he's raced pretty much everything in the game.

Depends how he looks at it Ant. If he stepped on a 500cc 2/ and just rode it, then did the same with a 990cc 4/ then sure, there probably isn't a huge amount of difference in the way to ride them. The 4/ would have more tractability of course and rev less but sure, in terms of 2 wheels and an engine they are similar.

However, you speak to anyone who has to design, build or work on one and not only are the engines completely different, the way they have to be set up to deliver power to the rear wheel is very diferent too. Don't forget the valvetrain on a 4/ adds to the gyroscopic effects on the chassis. 2/ don't have a valvetrain high up the motor like a 4/ does. Just to name an example.

#22 said:

Depends how he looks at it Ant. If he stepped on a 500cc 2/ and just rode it, then did the same with a 990cc 4/ then sure, there probably isn't a huge amount of difference in the way to ride them. The 4/ would have more tractability of course and rev less but sure, in terms of 2 wheels and an engine they are similar.

However, you speak to anyone who has to design, build or work on one and not only are the engines completely different, the way they have to be set up to deliver power to the rear wheel is very diferent too. Don't forget the valvetrain on a 4/ adds to the gyroscopic effects on the chassis. 2/ don't have a valvetrain high up the motor like a 4/ does. Just to name an example.

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Yeah obviously from a riders point of view it was but the gist of it was that if you're a competent motorcycle racer you can jump strokes and capacities with not much worry. Obviously there are other things to consider like the electronics on a modern Grand Prix machine would probably baffle the .... out of somebody who has only raced in National Superstocks.

No that's true. Kind of registers 9timerossijizz' argument about the change from 2/ to 4/ and adapting pretty useless.

That's a point. If Rossi was indeed the only one good enough to adapt to the 4/ in such a dominant fashion, why couldnt he adapt to the 2011/12 Ducati?

Dog of a bike is my theory on that.

AntG said:

A professional motorcycle racer said to me a couple of years back that the difference between a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke is way overstated and he's raced pretty much everything in the game.

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Err. No.
Sorry AntG, but they are nothing like the same. If you go by engine capacity. 125 2 tempo v 125 4 tempo. Umm..no
just...no. 250GP v 250 diesel. very much..No.
At a given power level...perhaps. But I've never been on a 180hp bike on the track.

FTL said:

What logic? I said blaming him is like blaming FC for hooligans? Did they made them? Do they encourage them to do bad? So can we blame FC? NO just like you said (forget fifa sanction them it is stupid)
Did Rossi say go and burn marquez dummy or boo lorenco to hell every race? Did he pay media?
So Rossi should stay quiet after Australia? Would you?
If you feel cheated by a bank or your job or maybe even by your wife what do you do? Go into dark corner and cry? No you fight best way you can in rossi case on press conferences and later DORNA
If you ask me they brought it to themself and rossi fanatics they've gone too far this time but it was expected.

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Yes, he has encouraged them by breeding an hostile environment throughout his career. He knows his fans and they know their signals. You say so yourself with this quote," they have gone to far this time, but it was expected"
You admit by saying this time this is a ongoing trend, and " was expected", he knew what the reaction would be.
Yes, Rossi should have been quite after PI, he had zero evidence of his accusations, and if he didnt know what Marquez's response would be, he is dumber than a sack of hammers.

Rossi knows he has a hoard of half wits for fans who will believe anything he tells them and wields it like an axe. These are same people who will inflict bodily harm or even death on themselves or others over the results of a soccer game. Its a cult pure and simple.

Dr No said:

Err. No.
Sorry AntG, but they are nothing like the same. If you go by engine capacity. 125 2 tempo v 125 4 tempo. Umm..no
just...no. 250GP v 250 diesel. very much..No.
At a given power level...perhaps. But I've never been on a 180hp bike on the track.

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No, jumping between them as in results, a top rider will do so. I know there's a difference because I've ridden both 2 and 4 stroke dirt bikes I've felt the difference but if the MotoGP championship still used 2 strokes then Rossi, Lorenzo and Marquez would still be the same riders doing all the winning because they are the best riders on the best bikes.

That's what this rider was saying it doesn't matter if they're riding a 250 2/ 600 4/ 500 2/ or 1000 4/ if they are a top rider on a top bike they will win. Same if you got rid of traction control and all that stuff, he said look at BSB, it's still the same blokes winning because they are the best riders and if they took traction control off MotoGP Jorge Lorenzo is not just suddenly going to stop winning races, he'll win just as many as would Rossi and Marquez.

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No that's true. Kind of registers 9timerossijizz' argument about the change from 2/ to 4/ and adapting pretty useless.

That's a point. If Rossi was indeed the only one good enough to adapt to the 4/ in such a dominant fashion, why couldnt he adapt to the 2011/12 Ducati?

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Why couldnt stoner or any other rider adapt to the 2008 thru 2016 Ducati including other world champions and race winners? Dont you ever ask why Stoner only won on the Ducati the year it had advantages.
The Ducati is an ongoing piece of ..... You should change your username to Ducati. It would be fitting. In 2007 it happened to be a more advanced piece of .... then the other pieces of ....

Arrabbiata1 said:

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LOL

A 4 stroke is easier to ride than a 2 stroke and the racers benefitted from infinitely more advanced electronics. It's the reason why far more men got hurt from the savage 500s highsiding them than the later 4 stroke bikes. Sure tyre advancement has helped but the 500s were brutal.
When the 1000cc bikes took over Honda had been developing the rcv for years, it was the very pinnacle of motorcycles and one of the riders who got one was going to take the title that year. Honda had pushed for the change to 4 stroke (diesels) and built the bike in anticipation they'd get their way, as the world was cracking down on the emissions of the two stroke bikes in a nod to global warming. Eventually the 250s then 125s fell foul of it too, a great shame in my opinion.

9TimeGod said:

Why couldnt stoner or any other rider adapt to the 2008 thru 2016 Ducati including other world champions and race winners? Dont you ever ask why Stoner only won on the Ducati the year it had advantages.
The Ducati is an ongoing piece of ..... You should change your username to Ducati. It would be fitting. In 2007 it happened to be a more advanced piece of .... then the other pieces of ....

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Last time I looked stoner did much better on the duc than 46

9TimeGod said:

Why couldnt stoner or any other rider adapt to the 2008 thru 2016 Ducati including other world champions and race winners? Dont you ever ask why Stoner only won on the Ducati the year it had advantages.
The Ducati is an ongoing piece of ..... You should change your username to Ducati. It would be fitting. In 2007 it happened to be a more advanced piece of .... then the other pieces of ....

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How convenient for your argument. Stoner left Ducati at the end of 2010 having won 3 races and finishing 2nd in the finale. By your own words earlier bikes don't change much one year to the next, so how come on a bike Stoner won races, Rossi never got a dry podium in the entire 2011 season?

Go and do your homework child, before mummy calls you down for dinner.

povol said:

Yes, he has encouraged them by breeding an hostile environment throughout his career. He knows his fans and they know their signals. You say so yourself with this quote," they have gone to far this time, but it was expected"
You admit by saying this time this is a ongoing trend, and " was expected", he knew what the reaction would be.
Yes, Rossi should have been quite after PI, he had zero evidence of his accusations, and if he didnt know what Marquez's response would be, he is dumber than a sack of hammers.

Rossi knows he has a hoard of half wits for fans who will believe anything he tells them and wields it like an axe. These are same people who will inflict bodily harm or even death on themselves or others over the results of a soccer game. Its a cult pure and simple.

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OK I respect your opinions but disagree. On a cult part i think you are way off, maybe passionate fans for sure not a cult. I am Rossi fan so by your opinion I am cult member haha cmon stop overexagerating...
maybe it will become a religion

FTL said:

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maybe it will become a religion

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And religion is based on .........[emoji41]

Gaz said:

You mean like iPhone and iPad users?

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Absolutely[emoji6]

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FTL said:

OK I respect your opinions but disagree. On a cult part i think you are way off, maybe passionate fans for sure not a cult. I am Rossi fan so by your opinion I am cult member haha cmon stop overexagerating...
maybe it will become a religion

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You are right, not all Rossi fans are cultish band wagon glory hounds, but its not just a small minority who are. The sane ones are the minority.

Jumkie said:

Pedrosa was the most savvy of the conspirators, given the evidence used to convict Marquez is the same for Dani: clearly a sleeper cell at Phillip Island, then blasting into the win at Sepang--to "help" Lorenzo. Clearly both Repsol riders sandbagged then "helped" their fellow countryman by each winning a race against him. They both really tired to "help" Lorenzo at Valencia, but the "help" just couldn't materialize, stupid Lorenzo was just too fast that day.

Only in the convoluted minds of the perverse logic can a rider help the other by beating him. The conspiracy is ongoing, Lorenzo just "helped" Marquez at Mugello. Almost in as dramatic fashion as Phillip Island now that I come to think about it.

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I dont believe Marq or Pedrosa halped Lorenco as many people do. Imo Marq couldn't care less about Lorenco winning championship. He was holding a grudge just like Rossi is now and there comes a time in our lives when holding on to a grudge will come to surface. It has to.
Sad part is it happend at end of 2015 season.

FTL said:

Sad part is it happend at end of 2015 season.

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That's interesting, so you selectively believe parts of Rossi's great conspiracy. Because Rossi said Marquez was helping Lorenzo.

Was Rossi powerless to get ahead of Marquez?