Rossi fans burn Marc Marquez dummy/apparel
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So if Rossi wasn't powerless to get ahead of Marquez, why do you think he chose to toy around at Sepang? You've been fooled, Rossi 'chose' (that is not powerless) to slow Marquez down not the other way around. Rossi toyed with Marquez to fool you and the world his accusations were true.
I think Rossi toyed with Marquez to justify in your mind that attacking him was acceptable, because he couldn't beat him straight up.
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Well, let's test your logic. You say Rossi wasn't powerless, so therefore he chose to play with Marquez. Why would Rossi do that?
Otherwise Rossi was powerless to get ahead of Marquez. It's one or the other. You can't say Rossi was not powerless and logically conclude he was at the same time to wedge your faith that Marquez toyed with him over a grudge.
So, let me ask you again, was Rossi powerless to get ahead of Marquez? Perhaps you'd like to change your answer.
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No conspiracy to commit robber was even in the most outlandish imagination after the Phillip Island race. None. I've scoured the Internet for at least one "journalists", paddock, spectator reaction after the Australian GP. I've challenge "journalists" to produce one shred of a sentence, a comment, a word, not one has ever been produced. Not even by the Yellow Nation whose imagination can run wild.
Then after Thursday Sepang, everyone was sure the conspiracy was fact. The power of one man's words. It's quite astonishing.
Ermm, Stoner did win on the Ducati, each and every year he rode it in a race in fact.
If it is championships that you mean, then yes he did not win but by extension does that make any bike that does not win a title a piece of crap?
Of is it only bikes that carried the number 46 that were pieces of crap if they did not win whilst any bike finishes in front of 46 has an advantage?
OK I respect your opinions but disagree. On a cult part i think you are way off, maybe passionate fans for sure not a cult. I am Rossi fan so by your opinion I am cult member haha cmon stop overexagerating...
maybe it will become a religion
Question.
Are you a fan or Rossi or a fan of motorcycle racing who follows Rossi?
The behaviour of many of the Rossi fans is cult like in as much as they fail to acknowledge or even consider that perhaps there are times when VR is in the wrong, almost as if they are brainwashed. They then become sheep if/when their master (VR) mentions what he perceives as an attack upon himself or his perceptions of unfair treatment and thus they then act like sheep and follow the cues of those slightly more aggressive. Sadly, and IMO, there are a lot of people who wear yellow at race meetings who fall into this category and whilst some will behave mindlessly, no doubt there are also some within that fraternity who such behaviour disgusts, but they do not speak up because aggression rules the day
That said, there are also many 'reasonable' Rossi fans who do see the wrongs and are considerate that he cannot win each and every day he takes to the track and who do not seek excuses from him. These are the fans that do not burn effigys, that do not boo but instead cheer or applaud for ALL riders as those fans are appreciative of the show that has been put on. These people may be Rossi fans first but have developed a taste for motorcycle racing and admire that which occurs on track for all it offers, these are not cultists
Then there are motorcycle racing fans firstly who felt an appreciation for a jovial fun loving teenage prodigy in the late 90's and who have remained faithful to him as a rider whilst not overlooking some of the negativity that has been around.
The cultists will leave when VR goes, the non-cultists may well stay as they have found an entertainment medium, and the motorcycle racing fans were never leaving
So sorry, there is cult like behaviours there and like all sports where it occurs it can be harmful to the sport (not harmful in dollar terms mind as those cultists are a cash cow for many)
With that one sentence .................. how dare you call yoruself a Rossi fan
(joke)Damn your imagination has no limit... ok let me lower myself to your level
As i see you know absolutely nothing about motoracing in general. By your logic rider that wins first Grand prix should always be the fastest on track all season long no matter what.
Difference between best rider and worst rider in motoGP is around 2-3% (i will probably have to explain this to you later). So between top 3 riders is almost zero. Every little thing matters, specially your mood before race.
Your logic that Rossi should ALWAYS be faster then Marq because he finished ahead of him 10 times last season is absurd. We all know Marq is a awsome rider probably the best atm but that does not mean he will win all races or championship.
So to say Rossi was powerless against Marq or other way around is stupid.
Well then, case closed, Rossi sucks. You got me
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This is the exact explanation I have argued to rebut Rossi fans who reason, as you, that Marquez must have had the pace to clear Rossi but chose to toy with him because he was sandbagging. You contradict yourself, but you haven't been the first. I have yet to read one Rossi fan who believes this ........ successfully reason it logically. That's why I asked you, was Rossi powerless? You said no. Therefore Rossi could have cleared Marquez at Sepang but chose not to, you've trapped yourself logically.
You can't accept Rossi was powerless because you believe Rossi is all powerful. You also can't accept Marquez didn't have the pace and conclude he was purposefully slowing down. Yet, you argue above pace changes from race to race. I know that, and it's why I would never propose such an absurd conspiracy that Rossi proposed which you believe selectively.
So I'll ask you again, was Rossi powerless against Marquez at Sepang? Another opportunity for you to change your mind. You see, logic works in a way that two contradictory realities can't exit and still be rational. What you believe is irrational. Either Marquez sandbagged or Rossi did, you already stated Rossi was not powerless against Marquez, therefore Rossi is the sandbagger. Why would Rossi purposefully not clear Marquez? Maybe Rossi had a secret plan.
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At your age you need to google. Type in a name, Alex Barros. 2002. Guess what? The first race he got to ride an electronic free 990, he beat 9timeslimeyyellowdildo and won. All with absolutely no advantage of familiarity.
Alex Barros, 2002, familiar 500cc 2-stroke wins 0 out of 12, 2 podiums. 990 electronic free 4 stroke wins 2 out of four races, 4 out of 4 podiums. .... 'lucky' he didn't have to ride the 4 stroke all year isn't it.
By the way, interesting interview with KRjr: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Apr/120413-1046.htm warning at times he sounds like a 9timeshater
Meghan,
I just heard your phone conversation with Pyeman. I didnt realize Pye is Mel Gibson and you two are dating
Pyeman sounds like a great guy
Vale didn't do as well as Casey on the 2011 bike because it was his first year on the Ducati. Casey had 4 years experience on it, and on top of that he ........ development much like your retarding this forum.
It is my contention that Ducati's race department is poorly run and constantly grasping at straws for remedies. Look no further than their last 2 hirings. They hired Stoner as a test rider. Take this as a compliment or an insult but everyone agrees that his riding style is unique and cannot be emulated. What is the point on feedback that is useless to anyone but Stoner. He's had 2 opportunities to develop bikes and we've all seen the consequences. Ducati ...., Honda in the midst of 2 disastrous seasons.
The second hiring being Lorenzo. Even blind idiots like the Anchormen can see Stoners feedback wont work for Ducatis #1 rider (# 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 etc riders as well, but I digress, Im being redundant).
What is Lorenzo's relationship with Stoner? Does anyone know this dynamic. I dont believe their close. There is a possibility Jorge and his massive ego wants no part of Stoners presence. Their could be some interesting fireworks in the Ducati garage next year.
I said what i said end of story. I will not change my mind. I see you like to put everything logical but funny part is we're not programmed to seek truth, we're programmed to win. So our argument can not continue because i like to express my opinions and you like to seek contradictory to win an argue.
Your words carry no weight because they never refer to topic but to "what he said what she said"
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Brilliant! Makes perfect sense. Rossi chose to screw around with Marquez because it was more important than finishing ahead to get points towards winning the championship. It's perfectly logical because..... uh, help me here.
You again perfectly illustrate why those with your point of view are derided. You are discussing motivations of riders on the basis of something which in all likelihood did not occur.
Again, the notion that a rider not only controlled the finishing order from 2 to 4 but also gave insufficient effort in a race he won with his similarly equipped and recent and subsequent race winning team mate down in 5th is outrageous and ludicrous, so much so that no-one, not even the most blinkered Rossi fan, suggested it anywhere prior to VR's paranoid outbursts at the pre-Sepang press conferences, as Jumkie says.
Blind profession of faith in Rossi devoid of any arguments simply doesn't cut it I am afraid.
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