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JPSLotus said:

Again, that is incorrect. While no bike is without issue, the RCV's issues were far more significant than any other team's in particular the engine design.

I'd like to just apologize to all of the non-American posters here for Vudu's middle paragraph. I've no doubt some of you are aghast at reading what he wrote. But rest assured, while Vudu is free to hold onto his ill-informed beliefs no matter what evidence exists to the contrary, he does not speak for all Americans on the topic of climate change...thankfully I would say. Those of his ilk are on the wrong side of history as usual.

The Nastro Azzurro was a factory team in everything but name only Vudu. This has already been discussed at length here, whether a red carpet was rolled out or not is a trivial matter that only serves as a red herring with what the reality was of the team and the support it was getting from HRC.

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moto vudu said:

Do your part to help prevent climate change and turn off your electricity.

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moto vudu said:

You referred me to Assen 2012 where Rossi was racing and chunked his tire, what exactly do you find him guilty of during that race?





Rossi was guilty of intentionally running Marquez wide at Sepang 2015.

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JPSLotus said:

Well why didn't you say so?

BTW just so you know Vudu, Royal Dutch Shell has this on their webpage.

Climate change and energy transitions | Shell Global

They sold off all of their holdings in the Canadian tar sands, and are investing $1 billion a year into clean energy alternatives. $1 billion admittedly isn't much for a company that generates the revenue they do, but they along with ExxonMobil for that matter have been aware of the climate change problem for a long time now.

But do tell me more about how you know more than scientists do.

Just kidding, please don't.

You have no idea what you're talking about across a breadth of subjects, and motorcycle racing in particular.

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p4p1 said:

So just to be sure, it's ok for Rossi to have tyre issues but not Lorenzo?

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moto vudu said:

A chunked tire is the same as Lorenzo on good rain tires but not wanting to push the pace because he fears crashing again?

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p4p1 said:

Didn't Iannone finish a race last year on a badly chunked tyre? So why can't Rossi if he is trying so hard? From memory a couple of guys finished the same race on chunked tyres last year.

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moto vudu said:

It's actually not about knowing more than scientist, it's about understanding human nature and following the money. Who benefits financially from all of this? Scientists will conduct experiments in a way to give the desired result to the entity that just paid them millions of dollars. No one is without bias and people tend to not bite the hand that feeds them.

Still you cannot change the fact that even if humans did not exist, the climate on this planet would still be undergoing changes. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but humans (and potentially all life on this planet) weren't meant to exist forever.


FYI,
CO2 Coalition | Obsolete Climate Science On CO2

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moto vudu said:

All the riders have at times been able to continue and salvage points on a deteriorated tire. Depends on the severity of the damage to the tire. Lorenzo's rain tires at Assen were not chunking. It's not about Lorenzo's tires at all, it's his mental state that's the problem. He has been lacking confidence in the rain and since Assen is the place where he was last hurt in the rain his confidence takes an additional hit there.

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moto vudu said:

All the riders have at times been able to continue and salvage points on a deteriorated tire. Depends on the severity of the damage to the tire. Lorenzo's rain tires at Assen were not chunking. It's not about Lorenzo's tires at all, it's his mental state that's the problem. He has been lacking confidence in the rain and since Assen is the place where he was last hurt in the rain his confidence takes an additional hit there.

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JPSLotus said:

FYI: https://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/12/14/breitbart-news-go-to-outlet-for-academics-for-h/207474

For a guy who is throwing out about following the money, maybe you should follow the money of the organization you linked to first rather than talk out of your ....

So tell me Vudu, did you vote for Trump? It seems highly likely you did.

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p4p1 said:

Stop moving the goalposts.

You said Lorenzo wasn't trying. I say he was doing his best but couldn't push on tyres he wasn't comfortable with. You say that's not good enough. Then you mention in Assen 2012 Rossis tyres chunked and therefor he had to come in for a change so that's ok because he was trying his hardest. I point out that Iannone finished a race on badly chunked tyres because he really wanted it, by your logic if Rossi hadve tried harder then he would've been able to finish better at Assen 2012 because if you don't push when you're not comfortable then you're not trying hard enough. Your hypocrisy shines through consistently.

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moto vudu said:

Lorenzo wasn't trying, like I said before the man was sitting up just cruising. He might as well have rested his left elbow on the tank like he does when he is exiting pit lane.

Comparing chunked tires to a good rain tire isn't a valid comparison. Rossi was racing and experienced a technical problem with is tire. Lorenzo wasn't racing and experienced no technical problems, just confidence problems.

Pointing out Iannone finishing a race on chunked tires is ridiculous because like I said that's an accomplishment of every rider on the grid at one point or another. All cases of a chunked tire are not of the same magnitude and a ride may have no choice but to pit if the chunking is too severe.

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moto vudu said:

No, I didn't vote for Trump. I don't have a high opinion of anyone that has run for office.

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JPSLotus said:

Considering the amount of ignorance you have espoused to date on this forum, I don't believe that.

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moto vudu said:

You referred me to Assen 2012 where Rossi was racing and chunked his tire, what exactly do you find him guilty of during that race?

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moto vudu said:

All the riders have at times been able to continue and salvage points on a deteriorated tire.

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#22 said:

The exact thing you lambast Lorenzo for; backing off because he had a tyre that he couldn't push on.

You completely fail to grasp the concept that no bike, rider and tyre combination are the same. Just because the other 3 M1's might feel good with and suit a particular tyre, it doesn't make out that the fourth will be. Lorenzo didn't have enough feel from the tyre to be confident to push, something he admitted to and his 'cruising' is probably far faster than you could ever be I might add and for you to suggest that anyone riding a MotoGP bike in those conditions wasn't even trying quite frankly shows a level of ignorance beyond comprehension.

Both Hayden and Rossi commented when they first rode the Ducati, that you had to push it extremely hard, beyond the point they were comfortable with, to get heat into the front tyre and make the bike settle down and rideable. Only Stoner was willing to do. That is why Rossi cruised on the Ducati, because he wasn't willing to push the bike/tyre to its limit. Something you chastise Lorenzo for.



So why did Rossi pit in Assen 2011 then? By you logic he should have been able to continue and score points. Just like Motegi 2007.

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