Physical Violence on Track

Talpa said:

So arrab, could you have slowed enough at those speeds on her majestys motorway in time to land a punch? With carbon brakes of course......thus was the frightening reasoning stoner used for his reaction.



It was an excuse to deflect his guilt of what was an idiotic act.

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Rather than deflect criticism as you suggest he actually accepted his response was wrong and apologised to RDP for his action on more than one occasion.



RDP let it go....time to move on and do the same Talps. I am sure you wont have to wait too long for the next "Stoner incident" when it invariably happens and you can release your pent up frustration over his stellar results on the Honda this season

Talpa said:

So arrab, could you have slowed enough at those speeds on her majestys motorway in time to land a punch? With carbon brakes of course......thus was the frightening reasoning stoner used for his reaction.



It was an excuse to deflect his guilt of what was an idiotic act.

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It was an idiotic act, but the chances of it causing a serious problem would be of the order of at least a thousand times less than crashing into randy de puniet or a wall at 200 - 300 kmh. With the jerez incident the chances of his trackside waving causing a problem compared to rossi putting the bike down in front of him as he did, and serious injury would have been more likely to occur to rossi by the way, is more like 10,000 to one. There are many scientific treatises about the relativity of risks and the perception of same, which are often very different.



Both of stoner's offences were deliberate as you say, and he arguably should have been penalised for the trackside waving also, but there is proportionality involved, something with which you seem unfamiliar. I have not at any stage called for any penalty for rossi for either the laguna seca incident, which was definitely a racing incident, or for the jerez incident which if rossi is taken at his word (to which he is entitled) was also a racing incident. I don't think simoncelli should have got the drive-through either, there was enough doubt to at least defer any penalty until investigation after the race.



I don't have any problem with stoner making rude gestures to aoyama as he did, he has made the loitering on the racing line thing more or less a personal crusade, has been active in the riders' safety committee about it and has taken it up through the proper/official channels, all to no avail. This was his point about the fine being worth it, not that he didn't deserve it or that it was a trivial amount meaningless to him, but that butler et al had actually acted on a safety issue, thereby acknowledging that his punch or poke or whatever you want to call it did have safety implications, but also implying it was less an issue than the incident which provoked it, possibly because this is true.

Mr Squiggle said:

Rather than deflect criticism as you suggest he actually accepted his response was wrong and apologised to RDP for his action on more than one occasion.



RDP let it go....time to move on and do the same Talps. I am

sure you wont have to wait too long for the next "Stoner

incident" when it invariably happens and you can release your

pent up frustration over his stellar results on the Honda this

season

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not at all, actually Rossis performance on the Duck at le mans was Stella. Stoner is riding an amazing missle and his performances are not surprising, neither is his absurd, childish behaviour.



Stoner is inventing his own reality this season and creating his own controversy, 4 rounds in and we have 4 good examples



Illegally/dangerously jumped the fence at Jerez....to what end?



Delusionally accused Rossi of getting a tow, and made a huge issue of something that never occured!



Dangerously turned and pumped his fist at Aoyama whilst at full throttle wobbling past.



And of course, punching de puniet whilst doing over 100kph.



I don't need to invent anything, Casey does it all by himself.Youlot are the ones struggling to continually defend him, no doubt

he will be harshly received at many circuits this year, hardly clever or Stella.....and unlike all Other previous Aussie champs. Stoner may continue to win, but could possibly go down as the fastest rider to be disliked so much......and when we remember riders like this i.e Kosinski you don't recall his great performances, only that he was a massive cock, Stoner is heading this way as quick as his race pace on Sunday.....no doubt you'll also try to blame Rossi for this too

Talpa said:

actually Rossis performance on the Duck at le mans was Stella.

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For Rossi it was stella. In comparison to Stoner on the Ducati it was just meh....



Amazing that you considered 5th gifted up to 3rd on a race winning package to be stella for a 9 x WC.

Talpa said:

not at all, actually Rossis performance on the Duck at le mans was Stella. Stoner is riding an amazing missle and his performances are not surprising, neither is his absurd, childish behaviour.



Stoner is inventing his own reality this season and creating his own controversy, 4 rounds in and we have 4 good examples



Illegally/dangerously jumped the fence at Jerez....to what end?



Delusionally accused Rossi of getting a tow, and made a huge issue of something that never occured!



Dangerously turned and pumped his fist at Aoyama whilst at full throttle wobbling past.



And of course, punching de puniet whilst doing over 100kph.



I don't need to invent anything, Casey does it all by himself.Youlot are the ones struggling to continually defend him, no doubt

he will be harshly received at many circuits this year, hardly clever or Stella.....and unlike all Other previous Aussie champs. Stoner may continue to win, but could possibly go down as the fastest rider to be disliked so much......and when we remember riders like this i.e Kosinski you don't recall his great performances, only that he was a massive cock, Stoner is heading this way as quick as his race pace on Sunday.....no doubt you'll also try to blame Rossi for this too

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I don't think we have to defend him too hard. He "waved a fist at someone", "jumped a fence", oh hang on, I should stop typing, my girl just fainted. SOMEBODY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE GOT A TOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Now I have to call an ambulance.



To quote Tony Harrison (The mighty Boosh), "This is an outrage".



Does "a storm in a teacup" mean anything?



The only incident that was worthy of any action (the RDP punch) was subject to a fine.



The rest of it is just trivial ..... that haters are clinging onto like lifeboats from the Ducati/Rossi Titanic disaster.

Talpa said:

Stoner may continue to win, but could possibly go down as the fastest rider to be disliked so much......

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Im sorry but in an unpopularity contest, no one will ever surpass Phil Read.



Actually, Casey isn't as disliked as some of you like to believe. His detractors are so vocal and vociferous in their distaste for the guy that it seems that way.



According to Dennis Noyes, the worst reception that he has ever seen for a rider pre race on the grid was for Dani Pedrosa at Indy in 2008 - now most Americans I know have gradually warmed to the kid - in fact dare I say he seems quite popular out there now.

Andy Roo said:

I don't think we have to defend him too hard. He "waved a fist at someone", "jumped a fence", oh hang on, I should stop typing, my girl just fainted. SOMEBODY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE GOT A TOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Now I have to call an ambulance.



To quote Tony Harrison (The mighty Boosh), "This is an outrage".



Does "a storm in a teacup" mean anything?



The only incident that was worthy of any action (the RDP punch) was subject to a fine.



The rest of it is just trivial ..... that haters are clinging onto like lifeboats from the Ducati/Rossi Titanic disaster.

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I have observed him revving the engine when he leaves the pit . This is most inconsiderate and could potentially startle someone in the pitcrew and make them trip and sprain an ankle.

What does 'Stella' mean.



Wasn't that a line in a mover somewhere?











Gaz

Talpa said:

not at all, actually Rossis performance on the Duck at le mans was Stella. Stoner is riding an amazing missle and his performances are not surprising, neither is his absurd, childish behaviour.



Stoner is inventing his own reality this season and creating his own controversy, 4 rounds in and we have 4 good examples



Illegally/dangerously jumped the fence at Jerez....to what end?



Delusionally accused Rossi of getting a tow, and made a huge issue of something that never occured!



Dangerously turned and pumped his fist at Aoyama whilst at full throttle wobbling past.



And of course, punching de puniet whilst doing over 100kph.



I don't need to invent anything, Casey does it all by himself.Youlot are the ones struggling to continually defend him, no doubt

he will be harshly received at many circuits this year, hardly clever or Stella.....and unlike all Other previous Aussie champs. Stoner may continue to win, but could possibly go down as the fastest rider to be disliked so much......and when we remember riders like this i.e Kosinski you don't recall his great performances, only that he was a massive cock, Stoner is heading this way as quick as his race pace on Sunday.....no doubt you'll also try to blame Rossi for this too

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Does the bolded part say it all about this guy or what? Yellow tinted glasses big time.

Since when is 3rd when 1 guy was punted off & 1 guy got a drive through stella?

Oh yes I forgot the Ducati is a piece of .... isn't it? It's amazing it has won so many races in the 800cc era considering the quality of the bike wouldn't you say?

Mental Anarchist said:

For Rossi it was stella. In comparison to Stoner on the Ducati it was just meh....



Amazing that you considered 5th gifted up to 3rd on a race

winning package to be stella for a 9 x WC

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How on earth is the ducati a race winning package? Maybe if Honda stayed still over the off season. Swap Rossi and stoner and I would bet everything that stoner would not be close to winning this year.

woody996 said:

How on earth is the ducati a race winning package? Maybe if Honda stayed still over the off season. Swap Rossi and stoner and I would bet everything that stoner would not be close to winning this year.

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I disagree. Not because Vale is any less of a rider, I still believe that he is the best out there. He has yet to personalise the bike which is what Vale does, and once he does that noone else can ride it in the same way. Stoner and that Duc were a marriage made in heaven as opposed to a shotgun wedding. Casey's style suited that bike, and I still believe he could poduim on it at the very least in its current state. Strange how last year many of the same members were insisting that the Ducati was still the best package out there who are now telling us it is in fact a peice of .....

woody996 said:

How on earth is the ducati a race winning package? Maybe if Honda stayed still over the off season. Swap Rossi and stoner and I would bet everything that stoner would not be close to winning this year.

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Stoner left the bike as winner of 3 races in 2010. I also believe the way he dominates Qatar, he would have won this years opener on the Duc.

michaelm said:

No excuse for the punch, but I think the issue for stoner was that he had to hit the brakes quite hard, with randy who had been lolllygagging mutually with bautista on the racing line at the last moment moving across whilst bautista stayed put, leaving casey few places to go other than into de puniet or into a wall 2 feet away had he not reacted and braked quickly enough.

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Cheers my dear, the clip i saw showed a second before the incident, to be fair he didn't look like he'd had to break hard. But hey thats the beauty of television and editing.

Fair play to stoner for showing balls, didn't puniet give him the victory sign after he got punched? And then Stoner repsonded with a wave of the hand? Actually the punch didn't look like a full on wallop more a push. Yeah he should have gotten fined, but noone complained.



Actually made the race more exciting - which i'd like to add at this point that i only saw up to lap 20 becuse i'd been pestering the man all morning for us to go and do something (hints weren't good enough we didn't go to Croft it was raining) to which whilst he was getting ready i realised the race was about to start, so i tried to stall him to no avail he was now sticking to his guns and was going to drag me out before the race finished, he even sat and talked purposely while rossi was making his comment about the incident, which rossi looked amused by. Damn him for breaking the freeview record button!!!!!!!!!!!!

chopperman said:

Ok ill change it slightly for you. Your riding a bike when another bike pulls out in front of you.

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Ive punched the side of a lorry before at traffice lights when he nearly sent me flying off my bike (push). And then flagged him off, and peddled for my life so he couldn't catch me

halfpint said:

And then flagged him off,

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Not heard it called that before Linda

Arrabbiata1 said:

I disagree. Not because Vale is any less of a rider, I still believe that he is the best out there. He has yet to personalise the bike which is what Vale does, and once he does that noone else can ride it in the same way. Stoner and that Duc were a marriage made in heaven as opposed to a shotgun wedding. Casey's style suited that bike, and I still believe he could poduim on it at the very least in its current state. Strange how last year many of the same members were insisting that the Ducati was still the best package out there who are now telling us it is in fact a peice of .....

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I doubt it. Not because Stoner would be any slower than last year on the GP11, -- on the contrary I think he would still be faster than Rossi, even if that gap is rapidly decreasing -- but because this year there are three or four Hondas that are just too fast. That cannot be overlooked... Rossi would have won last year's Le Mans GP easily with the performance on the Ducati he produced last Sunday, but this year that was barely sufficient to give him a 3rd place, -- which should have actually been a 5th.



Stoner changed horse at the right moment, and jumped on the right one.

Jumkie said:

Hahaha, compa, can you imagine what that might have looked like? That would have probably looked very pathetic.





Speaking of looking pathetic, did anybody notice how skinny and emaciated Valentino looked? He looked very unhealthy.

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Yeah he looked poorly!!!!!!



I'm just picturing the fight in the paddock, that would have been well funny once stoner had thrown his glove at Punet, then take his other off, and twated him only to realise that punching Punets head with his helmet on hurts like .... and then Randy rolling around laugh his head off.

Arrabbiata1 said:

Not heard it called that before Linda

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what was you refering too?

woody996 said:

How on earth is the ducati a race winning package? Maybe if Honda stayed still over the off season. Swap Rossi and stoner and I would bet everything that stoner would not be close to winning this year.

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You can't have it both ways. Now have they done major changes to the Ducati or have they not? If not, then it is essentially the same bike as Stoner rode to race wins last year and therefore is a winning package. If they have done major changes then WTF, isn't Rossi the best developer in the known universe so how can the bike be worse?



As far as the Honda goes, I firmly believe that if Stoner was not riding it then Pedrosa would still be trying to fix it. But since Stoner started whipping the arse of the other long term Honda riders on their bike they have pulled their finger out and got on with it. This is at least part of the reason the Honda is looking so good. Perhaps the Honda has been this good for a long time the riders just weren't capitalising on it because they were trying to make it perfect instead of just riding the F'ing thing. Also Stoner has brought team work into the Honda pit and this is dragging the Honda forward rather than it all being about Pedrosa. If you say that the Honda would still be as good as it appears then you are suggesting that Stoner has had ZERO impact at Honda and that would be plain ignorant.



So you can not say with out it being pure speculation that the Honda would be as good as it is now and also that Stoner would not have been able to win on the Ducati when the evidence suggests that Stoner can win on the Ducati without it being the best or even second best bike on the grid.



So if you and Talpa are happy that Rossi coming 3rd (gifted but really 5th) is a stella performance then good on you. But from the comments of others above you are probably close to being on your own.

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To be fair on Stoner he's done pretty well on the Honda, But towards the back end of last year Pedders bike was starting to gain in speed etc.

Would you say this was influenced by Stoner?

By this i mean, the big wigs at honda wanted Stoner to ride for them, but, at that present time the bike wasn't fantastic, so Pedders mechanics -' think .... if we don't pull out our fingers Pedders bike aint going to be top dog and we will be paid less'?



It does seem like since Stoner has hopped aboard the Hondas have been up there with everyone. But is this because their bikes have been in development for slighlty longer??



As for Rossi's move, only Stoner could ride that thing well and a seasoned pro like Rossi who had been on the Yahmaha for donkeys years wouldn't be able to slip right into winning ways. Yes Rossi should have finished 5th but he didn't, he stayed on his bike! Isn't that the whole point to racing. If Pedders had stayed on his bike who was to say that he wouldn't have won and Rossi still been able to catch and pass the 4th marker? If's and but's dont lose or wins races.



Jumkie pointed out that Rossi looks rather skinny, i too thought this and i aint making excuses for the guy he can make his own, but, i reckon give him a few more races and that duck he's riding will be bring him the proper podium finishes. I reckon however its next year they'll be watching Rossi's arse.