Pedrosa's attitude

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 10 2007, 07:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I always keep it clean. It’s usually the frustrated ones that can’t make their case or debate assertively, bold, or poised who become flustered. Then complain. As a result, out come the mods to “keep it friendly”. (check the record, its always the same old thing, I understand its not the mods fault, they're just "doing their job", I guess)

I know, man. It's not your fault. You just got a habbit of getting on people's nerves. But at least Roger likes you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jan 9 2007, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But at least Roger likes you.

I'm not so sure. He's been avoiding me lately. I think he owes me money.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 8 2007, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I do wonder sometimes how many of Danis attitudes are actually reflections of the fact that he has been mentored from a young age by Puig.

Hi Tom, Probably alot ( to respond to your post), but despite the 98 pounds, he is in fact a man. And men are responsible for their own actions despite whoever is holding the "remote" as somebody put it.

But I do agree with your assertion that Puig is behind most of Pedrosa's inadequacies in the social graces.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jan 8 2007, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>dani's behavior after the incident was not very understandable to me. but in the heat of battle, with all the adrenaline flowing, his reaction was foolish but could be forgotten. but puig's reaction & following comments were stupid & outrageous. i think dani need put a little distance between himself & alberto.

Worth quoting you here. Yes, completely agree. Here are a few other quotes that have burned an impression on my mind:

Former GP rider turned manager and tutor, Alberto Puig, blames Nicky Hayden for the collision that put both Repsol Honda riders on the ground...

In a report on a Spanish web site (both Pedrosa and Puig are Spanish, as is team sponsor Repsol) Puig is quoted as saying, "He crashed because the other rider [Hayden] braked early, and he had to turn in. If that didn't happen, he wouldn't have crashed."

Here is another one (keep in mind, this was said after Portugal and before Valencia):

Puig, who acts both as Pedrosa's manager and mentor in racing, said, "The first thing Hayden had to do was get in front, which he hasn't done all year. I know it's terrible for Honda and for Nicky, but it could have happened to anyone."

Now having a guy like this so out of touch with the reality of this world and whispering in Pedrosa's ear and pressing his influence upon the Repsol Honda team, I think, makes for a rider that becomes arrogant.

I know many have said to the effect that one incident a career does not make. And I admit, I haven't followed Pedrosa when he was on 250s, but I can't help but infer as a spectator something about this man's character, based on his antics, body language, commentaries, and influences surrounding him. So it is my opinion (may not be yours) that Pedrosa is a very fast conceited egotistical bigheaded supercilious self-important pretentious pompous primo Dona ....

But I'm not the only one that thinks this about the bugger.

Here are a few other quotes:

"It is no exaggeration to state that Pedrosa's moment of madness was one of the greatest mistakes ever seen in modern motorcycle grand prix racing." (crash.net)

And here are a few more from superbikeplanet.com:

"Clearly, and obviously, Dani Pedrosa's actions were careless, dangerous, ill-conceived and simply stupid."

"Pedrosa has been quoted widely after the incident as saying he wasn't trying to make a pass when he crashed and took Hayden out. I think you either have to be delusional or a seriously accomplished serial liar to actually mouth those words after an incident like that, caught on video tape no less."

"Pedrosa's immediate response was what I found most telling. Normally, when a rider makes a monumental and costly error like that and takes another rider down with him—his teammate no less—his immediate concern is the welfare of the rider that he just put into the dirt. Especially when you have just taken your two existing brain cells, wired them together in parallel and eviscerated your teammate's championship points lead with one round remaining in the championship. When you have screwed up at that level, you walk over, make sure the other rider is okay, or gets the help he needs, and plead for forgiveness."

Does anybody remember how Elias bowed to Rossi in a praying like stand with his hands together, as if to pray for forgiveness to god Rossi after the first race of the season? On world TV no less. Now that takes guts and class.

This next quote is my favorite:

"Pedrosa did nothing like that immediately after the incident. He stalked off, seemingly angry (with Hayden?) and tending to his broken finger. Sure, maybe he was frightened by the enraged Hayden and worried that the American was going to knock him right out of his <u>Garanimals</u>. Fairly dripping with possibility that threat but, you know what? Not really relevant. <u>When you pull a move like that, when your idiocy costs someone his dream, you walk over, apologize, wait for the hit...and you take it.</u> Period. "

"if Dani Pedrosa had been leading the world championship, Nick Hayden would never have done to him what Pedrosa so casually inflicted on the American."

Now some for sure will come to defend Pedrosa, and that's cool. I said it before, give me a reason to like this guy, besides the fact that I already know he is lightning fast. As a matter of fact, I had previously enjoyed seeing him race. He is aggressive and I admired how he was willing to dice it up with Rossi. I know this is racing, and personalities may be irrelevant for some spectators. And to a degree, I agree. But as a person, with an attitude, which is what this thread's topic is about, well frankly, I don't have much love for the guy. But I'm not a Neanderthal, so I'm open for suggestion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Jan 8 2007, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>enlighten me

You are now enlightened.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Jan 9 2007, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It appears Honda has put their eggs in the Dani Pedrosa basket...and he knows it.


Dani's apparent dismissal of teamwork displays an "I'm number 1" attitude. It's possible that he just couldn't see himself taking one for the team and playing second fiddle. I'm sure Honda and Puig/Puke/Pig contributed to Dani's attitude.



All this, if true, could have had an influence on Dani's seemingly selfish behavior. HRC thinks Dani is more important, Dani thinks Dani is more important. HRC doesn't care about Haystack's (that nickname makes me laugh

) title hopes, Dani doesn't care about Haystack's

title hopes.

I concur.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jan 8 2007, 07:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Has anyone noticed sometimes this year, even in his rookie year, Pedrosa seems slightly spoiled?

I think alittle more than "slightly" spoiled.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mototorcycle Toy Store @ Jan 8 2007, 08:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it does seem they are giving him the red carpet treatment.

Magic carpet treatment I think.

so - we're basing 'our' entire opinion of a riders 'attitude' on one incident in one race and the insane ramblings of Alberto Puig are we ?

Taking Hayden out wasn't the brightest thing Dani has ever done but it was a racing accident and nothing more. Although, as I think Jumkie said earlier - Dani should have been riding shot-gun to Hayden like The Tornado did for Vale - not dumping out of possible the most important race of the year.

Dani may not have thrown himself to his knees and begged for forgiveness in the gravel trap but he did the decent thing and apologised to Nicky later. I'm sure Dani was beating himself up enough without Nicky doing it for him.

if Honda have decided that Dani is 'the future' then that's hardly his fault is it ? As it happens - the majority of the racing world appears to agree with them.

I've watched Dani race 125's, 250's and Moto GP and I can tell you he comes across exactly the same to me - even before he was the 'blue eyed boy' Personality wise, he's as far from the likes of Rossi as can be - I see the resemblance with Assimo but I still don't think that's due to dilusions of grandure or anything else - he's just a miserable, puny little kid who happens to be pretty handy on a motorbike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Jan 10 2007, 12:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so - we're basing 'our' entire opinion of a riders 'attitude' on one incident in one race and the insane ramblings of Alberto Puig are we ?

Hi Baldy, what's up buddy?

To answer your question: No, not really. But the 06 season I've seen of him, yes.

Oh by the way, if you were to ask most GP sports writers what was the defining moment of Max Biaggi in GP, I think most would tell you the elbow incident. hum, imagine that. Why? Because much can be inferred from these moments..... or not. I chose to infer much.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Jan 10 2007, 08:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I see the resemblance with Assimo but I still don't think that's due to dilusions of grandure or anything else - he's just a miserable, puny little kid who happens to be pretty handy on a motorbike.
I like that, and pretty much agree aside from saying he's better than pretty handy.

Jumkie, old bean, thanks for truly enlightening me, but you seem to base your views on what Puig has done and said. Maybe you are right that having Puig whispering in his ear is making him arrogant, only time will tell. Undoubtedly, Pedrosa is being protected, but then Honda have invested, and continue to invest a lot of money in him. He has been bred to win! Pedrosa seems quite a shy bloke, and if he has been protected throughout his career, then trying to deal with this controversy must have come as a bit of a shock. Hence the protectors step in,......to protect!
I think I've said before, this may well be the making or breaking of Pedrosa. Personally, I hope he's had quiet time to reflect upon the incident and the subsequent lows and highs (distress and relief), even if he didn't win the title. I hope he's a more chilled out character this year.

What we'll have to do jumkie is have this out between us if you go to Laguna. We'll have an Anglo-American theme! We'll go and have a few hours drunken lively debate involving all within earshot sat at one of your fastastic bars,..then go outside and fight!!!!! Then go for a kebab!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 10 2007, 09:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi Baldy, what's up buddy?

Alright matey ? It feels like a long time since we've 'spoken' Happy New Year and all that !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 10 2007, 09:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh by the way, if you were to ask most GP sports writers what was the defining moment of Max Biaggi in GP, I think most would tell you the elbow incident. hum, imagine that. Why? Because much can be inferred from these moments..... or not. I chose to infer much.

that's a fair point but if that's the case then they're doing Max a great dis-service - love him or hate him - the Emperor has a might impressive trophy cabinet.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 10 2007, 09:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"He crashed because the other rider [Hayden] braked early, and he had to turn in. If that didn't happen, he wouldn't have crashed."

Spoken like a true manager but that's true enough (he's the master of stating the obvious) - I think Dani WAS <u>trying</u> to avoid Nicky but the point is, Dani shouldn't have been there in the first place - should he ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 10 2007, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh by the way, if you were to ask most GP sports writers what was the defining moment of Max Biaggi in GP, I think most would tell you the elbow incident. hum, imagine that. Why? Because much can be inferred from these moments..... or not. I chose to infer much.

You know, if it wasnt for Rossi, I'd say most would remember Max for his Debut 500cc win, somthing not even the Alimghty Vale managed. Pity.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jan 10 2007, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How many big class titles did Max Biaggi manage in the end though?

Erm, I count a big fat 0.

that's true but there are lots of great riders that never won a 'big class title' - mainly cos that greedy ....... Rossi won them all (bar the one he gave away )

990cc Grand Prix victories:

Valentino Rossi ITA 45
Sete Gibernau ESP 8
Loris Capirossi ITA 6
Max Biaggi ITA 5
Marco Melandri ITA 5
Alex Barros BRA 3
Nicky Hayden USA 3
Makoto Tamada JAP 2
Dani Pedrosa ESP 2
Tohru Ukawa JAP 1
Troy Bayliss AUS 1
Toní Elías ESP 1

i don't think Max could ever get used to the stop/start style of riding that the big bikes demanded but for all his faults (and there's a lot of them) he was awesome on a 250.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Jan 10 2007, 05:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What we'll have to do jumkie is have this out between us if you go to Laguna. We'll have an Anglo-American theme! We'll go and have a few hours drunken lively debate involving all within earshot sat at one of your fastastic bars,..then go outside and fight!!!!! Then go for a kebab!!!!
oh man i'd like to join in this!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jan 10 2007, 08:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> oh man i'd like to join in this!

I'M IN!....I SHALL BE THERE!!


Fagi Padrosa is a SOUR little boy with fantastic riding skills... even though i'm of Spanish blood, I still DON'T LIKE the turd... and honestly i don't think he'll EVER be a GP Champion.. he'll be another Randy Momola, or Biaggi... "never a bride, only a brides maid"... he was VERY impresive in his rookie year, but thats means nothing...hell Max Biaggi had a fantastic rookie year on the 500, everyone expected him to win a GP crown, never happened.... as a matter of fact Biaggis rookie year was WAY better than Dani's... the thing thats gonna help Dani is the HONDA... he's not a rider that would be able to perform the same on another bike...

I think Dani has a better shot of the title next year than Hayden... hell, HRC developed the bike to suit 250 riders... why did Hayden have clutch problems all year long when Pedrosa didn't even if they used the same clutch..? The reason why they ractified the clutch in Motegi was because it was clearer that Hayden had a clear shot at the title... if not they would have resumed "normal" testing of the clutch...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Jan 10 2007, 01:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie, old bean, thanks for truly enlightening me, but you seem to base your views on what Puig has done and said.

Maybe you are right that having Puig whispering in his ear is making him arrogant, only time will tell.

Undoubtedly, Pedrosa is being protectedthen go outside and fight!!!!! Then go for a kebab!!!!

Yeah, it sounds like it, but it’s what we got to work with. After all, the guy is attached to him like a leach.

Definitely, time will tell.

Do you remember when Sete and Rossi had that moment? It seemed to define for many what Sete was about. I liked Sete very much for taking it to Rossi, but clearly, it seemed for a simpleton spectator like me that it defined much of his character; namely, that he no longer had that aggressive edge.

So yes, this significant career moments are resounding; and what I'm hearing is Pedrosa squirming like a worm. But hey, like I said, I'll watch and see. Maybe some day we'll actually be talking about how we like Pedrosa some much and other likely things like peace in the Middle East.


What is a "kebab" What ever it is, I'm down.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Jan 10 2007, 01:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>that's a fair point but if that's the case then they're doing Max a great dis-service - love him or hate him - the Emperor has a might impressive trophy cabinet.

Yes buddy, I totally agree. That's why I'm gonna watch this maggot and see if he turns into a butterfly.


You see, Unbiased, Fair, and Balanced.

By the way, I like Max Biaggi. I think he has been given a bad rap. You may of noticed that I post some interesting things about his life and career from time to time. It was obvious that he was the "Emperor" in 250s, but He was alot better than people remember in GP.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Jan 10 2007, 01:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Dani WAS <u>trying</u> to avoid Nicky

Uhm, respectfully disagree. But who knows what was in his heart (I mean circuits). When he came in to hot into that turn he had two choices, to stand it up and narrowly miss Hayden, or do the supremely suicidal, to attempt to gain a position on his teammate. He chose the ladder. Which is in Fact, what he tried to do. And for that, I think he is a turd.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Jan 10 2007, 07:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fagi Padrosa is a SOUR little boy with fantastic riding skills... even though i'm of Spanish blood, I still DON'T LIKE the turd... and honestly i don't think he'll EVER be a GP Champion.. he'll be another Randy Momola, or Biaggi... "never a bride, only a brides maid"... he was VERY impresive in his rookie year, but thats means nothing...hell Max Biaggi had a fantastic rookie year on the 500, everyone expected him to win a GP crown, never happened.... as a matter of fact Biaggis rookie year was WAY better than Dani's... the thing thats gonna help Dani is the HONDA... he's not a rider that would be able to perform the same on another bike...

Worth quoting you here. Totally agree. And lets hope you are right.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ChemiKaze @ Jan 10 2007, 08:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The reason why they ractified the clutch in Motegi was because it was clearer that Hayden had a clear shot at the title... if not they would have resumed "normal" testing of the clutch...

Absolutely agree. Hayden was the #2 guy all along. That's why there were no team orders in Portugal since Pedrosa had a "mathematical" shot at the championship. Even to the very last moments, they placed their hopes and dreams on Pedrosa. After all, isn't that what Puig was telling them they should do? It took a team meeting and Hayden pleading to get his clutch fixed for the final push.

And oddly enough, I think they are gonna do the same thing again in 07. Damn, can’t Hayden get any respect?!?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ChemiKaze @ Jan 10 2007, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>why did Hayden have clutch problems all year long when Pedrosa didn't even if they used the same clutch..? The reason why they ractified the clutch in Motegi was because it was clearer that Hayden had a clear shot at the title... if not they would have resumed "normal" testing of the clutch...
it was were the clutch was located on hayden's bike that caused the problem. unlike pedders who was on the standard rcv, hayden's evo bike had the clutch located internaly which caused the problems. to much heat. if my memory serves me correct.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jan 10 2007, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"And oddly enough, I think they are gonna do the same thing again in 07. Damn, can’t Hayden get any respect?!?"

I can't help but agree with you there (and on many things you say).

Hayden won Honda the championship FFS! He deserves some respect, he is the ONLY person to have ever de-throned Rossi, and for this work, Nicky gets a big:

Soichiro's ghost: Oooooh, frank you! You show bike is better than, vewy good work Mr Hayden.
Hayden: Why gee, thank y'all. carries pig into distance

Honda have NO respect for riders at all, I hope the RC212V is a flop and they get shown how to respect riders.

I tried editing the most important points of your post and found that there was nothing I could delete. You are ....... right. Its no secret that Honda is engineer first rider a distant second. Which is why I believe Puig is so important to Pedrosa's destiny. Who does Hayden have, Earl his dad. Which for me, highlights the influence these two men have on each rider. Puig influences both Honda and Pedrosa that nothing is more important than on track achievement. While Earl teaches Hayden about how one should conduct himself as a decent human being.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jan 10 2007, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hayden's evo bike had the clutch located internaly which caused the problems. to much heat. if my memory serves me correct.

Yes, excellent detail. Infact it was the heat that warped the plates.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 10 2007, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I tried editing the most important points of your post and found that there was nothing I could delete. You are ....... right. Its no secret that Honda is engineer first rider a distant second. Which is why I believe Puig is so important to Pedrosa's destiny. Who does Hayden have, Earl his dad. Which for me, highlights the influence these two men have on each rider. Puig influences both Honda and Pedrosa that nothing is more important than on track achievement. While Earl teaches Hayden about how one should conduct himself as a decent human being.
Yes, excellent detail. Infact it was the heat that warped the plates.

Common sense prevails, have to be realistic, if Honda could get ASIMO to ride the bike, and not a wee spanish lookalike, they would. If they could manufacture the rider as well as the bike, then they would be a happy bunch of engineers.

Pete

But god, I hate agreeing with Jumkie!!!!!!