Official Valencia Race Discussion Thread

[frizzle]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Oct 27 2008, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First of all congrats to Stoner.Roger i was exactly thinking that when ever he is winning he will say he didn't have much problems with his wrist but on other hand when he is losing he always blame his wrist that he could not ride the bike the way he wanted to.I think he is just using this injury as excuse whenever he is losing i could be wrong but thats my personel opinion.


Well after the next 2 days testing he will be having a part of his hip grafted on to the bone in his wrist. I don't think he would be having this operation if it wasn't causing him any concern do you?
Why is it so difficult to believe that some tracks are harder on the wrist than others?

 

[michaelm]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Oct 26 2008, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First of all congrats to Stoner.Roger i was exactly thinking that when ever he is winning he will say he didn't have much problems with his wrist but on other hand when he is losing he always blame his wrist that he could not ride the bike the way he wanted to.I think he is just using this injury as excuse whenever he is losing i could be wrong but thats my personel opinion.
I think this win like PI is not inconsistent with him having a wrist injury. Like PI he had the luxury of running 1.5 seconds off his fastest pace for the last 10 or so laps with dani slowing down and valentino well back due to qualifying and lack of dry set-up time. I still wonder if honda have sorted the fuel economy of the pneumatic engine.

The last 0.5 seconds seems to be only extractable from the ducati with extreme duress and has proved difficult for casey this year when rossi is close to him. I believe his wrist problem also makes it hard for him to keep the bike right on the edge for a whole race.

 

[SackWack]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Oct 26 2008, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well after the next 2 days testing he will be having a part of his hip grafted on to the bone in his wrist. I don't think he would be having this operation if it wasn't causing him any concern do you?
Why is it so difficult to believe that some tracks are harder on the wrist than others?

Agreed. Very good point. The Rossi boppers just feel a little threatend by your boy.

In any sport, winning, with the adrenalin rush, has an effect on how much somthing is hurting. It happens in any sport. Once you are battleing for 5th or 6th+ place things start to hurt a bit more and your job is a little less fun. Stoner said himself that the wrist won't be as big an issue here as it was in Sepang. This was before he was winning.

 

[frizzle]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Oct 27 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agreed. Very good point. The Rossi boppers just feel a little threatend by your boy.

In any sport, winning, with the adrenalin rush, has an effect on how much somthing is hurting. It happens in any sport. Once you are battleing for 5th or 6th+ place things start to hurt a bit more and your job is a little less fun. Stoner said himself that the wrist won't be as big an issue here as it was in Sepang. This was before he was winning.


He also said immediately after the race that his wrist was sore and he was thankful he had a gap as he had to brake about 50 meters earlier towards the end of the race.

 

[chopperman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Oct 26 2008, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well after the next 2 days testing he will be having a part of his hip grafted on to the bone in his wrist. I don't think he would be having this operation if it wasn't causing him any concern do you?
Why is it so difficult to believe that some tracks are harder on the wrist than others?
i dont doubt his wrist is injured and in need of an operation to put it right. what i doubt is it has effected him as much as he has said it did in the past races in which he didn't win.
thus far he has not had treatment yet it has not of got any worse. valencia most would think and its been reported would be probably the hardest track of all on the wrist because its so short with lots of braking and throttle movement.

im not a doctor and maybe michaelm will come in and tell me im wrong but in my experience untreated injurys get worse. he did not look like an injured rider today.

 

[chopperman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Oct 27 2008, 01:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agreed. Very good point. The Rossi boppers just feel a little threatend by your boy.

In any sport, winning, with the adrenalin rush, has an effect on how much somthing is hurting. It happens in any sport. Once you are battleing for 5th or 6th+ place things start to hurt a bit more and your job is a little less fun. Stoner said himself that the wrist won't be as big an issue here as it was in Sepang. This was before he was winning.
arrr you can do better than that old chestnut, surely ?

i just find it amusing when racers make up excuses and exaggerate. .... mcn use to have a cartoon about doohan whinging even though he won

i think foggy wrote a book "the racers excuse book" . we as fans should call them out on it, keep then honest. after all they have our dream job and there whining

talking about whinging and excuses, did anybody catch casey whining about his loose foot peg during qualifying, even tho he got poll

maybe he is the next doohan

 

[SackWack]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 26 2008, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>, did anybody catch casey whining about his loose foot peg during qualifying, even tho he got poll

maybe he is the next doohan

I missed that. Was he bitching like a little bitch or did he just mention that it was something that was going on while he was trying to set a fast lap.

 

[JohnnyKnockdown]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Oct 26 2008, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agreed. Very good point. The Rossi boppers just feel a little threatend by your boy.

In any sport, winning, with the adrenalin rush, has an effect on how much somthing is hurting. It happens in any sport. Once you are battleing for 5th or 6th+ place things start to hurt a bit more and your job is a little less fun. Stoner said himself that the wrist won't be as big an issue here as it was in Sepang. This was before he was winning.

I think I can relate to that.
You know when you're watching a new porn flick for the first time and your wrist is really sore from swinging a hammer all day, but since it's new porn you really want your .... to last a long long time and you ignore the pain unlike when all your porn is old, your looking at the same old chicks and your wrist is sore and you have no enthusiasm and you just want to finish the job but you have to keep stopping.
I understand completely where Stoner is coming from

 

[Agiel7]

For all of those who thought the season ended in a bore: Have any of you ever given a thought about actually watching the 250 and 125 races?

Brilliant stuff from Kallio (at least, up until that last lap before he crashed out) and Bautista, I thought Bautista made a great pass on Simon on the start/finish straight. Outstanding race from my boy, Takahashi, as well; he made it clear that he's not going to be there simply to be the token Japanese rider, but that he deserves that ride in MotoGP. Fifth in the championship on a bike that hasn't been changed in 4 years and behind 4 riders on the 4 most competitive bikes who were contenders for the championship title.

Sure MotoGP has the best riders in the world on the best bikes in the world, but the lower classes are always entertaining and unpredictable, traits that are essential for a great racing series.

 

[frizzle]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Oct 27 2008, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think I can relate to that.
You know when you're watching a new porn flick for the first time and your wrist is really sore from swinging a hammer all day, but since it's new porn you really want your .... to last a long long time and you ignore the pain unlike when all your porn is old, your looking at the same old chicks and your wrist is sore and you have no enthusiasm and you just want to finish the job but you have to keep stopping.
I understand completely where Stoner is coming from

You just don't get it do you?
If it's not happening for you then shave the top of your hand, put fingernail polish on and .... backwards. Then let your imagination run wild. Before you know it you'll be colliding with the yoghurt truck at 100 mile an hour.

 

[michaelm]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 27 2008, 03:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>im not a doctor and maybe michaelm will come in and tell me im wrong but in my experience untreated injurys get worse. he did not look like an injured rider today.

First off, even the most partisan stoner fan has to admit that rossi was better this year and won the championship very well, and I don't think anyone has claimed the wrist had any effect on stoner's performances at laguna seca or brno.

I am not unbiased as far as casey is concerned, nor am I an orthopaedic surgeon or otherwise expert in the management of scaphoid fractures although I am involved in diagnosing them on occasion. I can often hazard a reasonable guess about medical matters on limited information revealed by the media, but it is hard to know what is going on with casey as the information has been conflicting. If the scaphoid fracture is a new fracture not of the type that potentially results in avascular necrosis (death of part of the bone) then it may not be a big deal other than causing pain to which these guys seem to be relatively impervious; an X-ray which accompanied one of the early stories didn't look too worrying. On the other hand if he had an acute fracture of the type that risks avascular necrosis you would think he should have had it treated immediately particularly with the title realistically already lost.

My surmise is that he may already have avascular necrosis secondary to his old injury resulting in part of the bone crumbling more or less spontaneously and this is supported by the original description of the problem which as I recall involved multiple fragments, and casey's recent statement in the australian press to similar effect. If so he already has a chronic problem which may not get worse by delaying surgery but might not be improved by it either. I may be wrong but I don't think bone grafts are usually required for simple scaphoid fractures and I did see a quote from Dr Costa after PI that he wasn't sure casey should have the surgery although I think this was also partly an observation that he seemed to have ridden rather well with his scaphoid as it is.

Scaphoid problems reputedly ended kevin schwantz's career and I don't think anyone ever considered him a whinger.

 

[babelfish]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Oct 27 2008, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I guess I was taking it a bit literal eh

What are the facts Bab? What actually, factually does "all season" actually imply in your brain.

Read the post, not just the first sentece.
But if you want me to argue for the "out ride" the fact that Dovi has more poins coupled with the fact that he ride an '07 bike make that statement valid enough. The rest is nit picking.

 

[vibe]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Oct 27 2008, 09:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First of all congrats to Stoner.Roger i was exactly thinking that when ever he is winning he will say he didn't have much problems with his wrist but on other hand when he is losing he always blame his wrist that he could not ride the bike the way he wanted to.I think he is just using this injury as excuse whenever he is losing i could be wrong but thats my personel opinion.


Yeah what a boring race - Rossi was so useless today and unable to take it up to Stoner

the race was so so boring " WTF Stoner how dare you make the guy whose waste matter I eat look so slow - I'll find some crap like your wrist to throw at you and if I throw it often enough especially everytime Rossi is so slow or cant be bothered making a race of it some of it will stick hopefully all the way to next year. It looks like you're going to be the competition again"

Yeah right

 

[Andy Roo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 27 2008, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>STONER!!!!!

I kept trying to figure out why Pedrosa looked like a miniature version of Hayden at this round.

Pedrosa was wearing Alpinestars leathers. How long has this been going on?

IT's like that movie with...whoever, he will dye his hair, grow a loatee (lip goatee) and steal his identity. Try a voice like Dr Evil and anounce "I'm cool" or something, that's about the effect it will have. The congress can see straight through body snatchers and identity fraudsters.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 27 2008, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i dont doubt his wrist is injured and in need of an operation to put it right. what i doubt is it has effected him as much as he has said it did in the past races in which he didn't win.
thus far he has not had treatment yet it has not of got any worse. valencia most would think and its been reported would be probably the hardest track of all on the wrist because its so short with lots of braking and throttle movement.

im not a doctor and maybe michaelm will come in and tell me im wrong but in my experience untreated injurys get worse. he did not look like an injured rider today.

Rog, surely you have had an injury that has a varying effect. I have one, I got a rib pulled out of where it connects to the spine. Some days I could move quite well and some days it screwed me. Different tracks and stressors on the injury lead to differing reactions from the injury. He was holding then shaking his hand on the podium and paying it some attention.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Oct 27 2008, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think I can relate to that.
You know when you're watching a new porn flick for the first time and your wrist is really sore from swinging a hammer all day, but since it's new porn you really want your .... to last a long long time and you ignore the pain unlike when all your porn is old, your looking at the same old chicks and your wrist is sore and you have no enthusiasm and you just want to finish the job but you have to keep stopping.
I understand completely where Stoner is coming from

Post of the week

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Oct 27 2008, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You just don't get it do you?
If it's not happening for you then shave the top of your hand, put fingernail polish on and .... backwards. Then let your imagination run wild. Before you know it you'll be colliding with the yoghurt truck at 100 mile an hour.

Hit by a Mr Whippy Van?

Laughed my freckle off again

 

[xx CURVE xx]

what a ....... boring race...i should have stayed in bed...

Congrats to Stoner..way to run...

Pedro is still a ....... ........

Good run for Rossi making his way through to 3rd....


The rest...well who gives a ........ When does WSBK start up??

 

[Arrabbiata1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Oct 27 2008, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The rest...well who gives a ........ When does WSBK start up??
It isn't finished yet

 

[povol]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 27 2008, 03:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First off, even the most partisan stoner fan has to admit that rossi was better this year and won the championship very well, and I don't think anyone has claimed the wrist had any effect on stoner's performances at laguna seca or brno.

I am not unbiased as far as casey is concerned, nor am I an orthopaedic surgeon or otherwise expert in the management of scaphoid fractures although I am involved in diagnosing them on occasion. I can often hazard a reasonable guess about medical matters on limited information revealed by the media, but it is hard to know what is going on with casey as the information has been conflicting. If the scaphoid fracture is a new fracture not of the type that potentially results in avascular necrosis (death of part of the bone) then it may not be a big deal other than causing pain to which these guys seem to be relatively impervious; an X-ray which accompanied one of the early stories didn't look too worrying. On the other hand if he had an acute fracture of the type that risks avascular necrosis you would think he should have had it treated immediately particularly with the title realistically already lost.

My surmise is that he may already have avascular necrosis secondary to his old injury resulting in part of the bone crumbling more or less spontaneously and this is supported by the original description of the problem which as I recall involved multiple fragments, and casey's recent statement in the australian press to similar effect. If so he already has a chronic problem which may not get worse by delaying surgery but might not be improved by it either. I may be wrong but I don't think bone grafts are usually required for simple scaphoid fractures and I did see a quote from Dr Costa after PI that he wasn't sure casey should have the surgery although I think this was also partly an observation that he seemed to have ridden rather well with his scaphoid as it is.

Scaphoid problems reputedly ended kevin schwantz's career and I don't think anyone ever considered him a whinger.


They talked about that on the broadcast.Said that was why he was needing bone graft because the original bone was dying from lack of blood and they HOPED,this would generate bone growth and fix the problem.This could be a lot more serious than people think.

 

[xx CURVE xx]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Oct 27 2008, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It isn't finished yet

It's decided though... i can't wait for next year...new and more riders, new manufacturers, and bikes.. better racing.

 

[Arrabbiata1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Oct 27 2008, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's decided though... i can't wait for next year...new and more riders, new manufacturers, and bikes.. better racing.
..and Spies and Syksey with Yamaha Italia

 

[BarryMachine]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 27 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>maybe he is the next doohan

gee .... finally coming around at last