New Crew Chief For Hayden

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 12 2009, 04:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>funny as you log off pinky logs on

He's found a way to log on simultaneously. Just like when he's logged on to motogp, powerslide, and hong kong gay ... tours, all at the same time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#22 @ May 12 2009, 05:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I know mate, I'm just doing it in the hope he gets so pissed off he buggers off!
I think you missed Al's humor friend. Check out the thread entitled Caption Contest. Pinky openly admits hes is in fact, .........

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 12 2009, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
He's found a way to log on simultaneously. Just like when he's logged on to motogp, powerslide, and hong kong gay ... tours, all at the same time.
there is a way you can log on 2 accounts at the same time, pretty easy but i doubt he is bright enough to work it out

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ May 12 2009, 05:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think whomsoever he is really hates Hayden, I think he actually hates some of the fans on here ....... I vaguely remember a few disagreements way back when "he" started on here, mostly rossifan bantering about Stoner in 07, but to be honest when Jumkie and a few Hayden fans joined in the argument against "him" ...... he has since become a "Hayden Hater"

Well thats my theory anyway ....... trace back some of the posts of say Pinky or CS ... whomsoever ..

its pretty anal really
Hahaha, yeah yeah, I guess he doesn't hate Hayden he just hates Hayden.

Curve, I need one of your Alzheimer's posters.


Yeah, I heard you, its because Hayden's "fans" that Pinky hates. Barry, you & Pinks are the worst Stoner fans here, and I don't go hating on Stoner because he has two ..... fans that hold eachother's hands every time you two log on. Hahaha, wow, and this is the peak of insight on your defense of Pinky? Breathtaking.

Your ongoing defense of Pinky puts you in the same category of irrational and demented members. I usually don't respond to you because, well frankly your debate skill is not much of a challenge, I guess its the same reason I don't debate infants; all they do is drool on themselves and say gaga goo goo. But you decided to call me out, great, no problem, I'll bite.

Your theory, eh? Oh, something like your 10+ point theory on why Rossi is NOT a pure rider? I'm not a fan of Rossi in the classic sense, but even a reasonable non-Rossi fan would have a hard time coming up with 1 reason, much less more than 10. In other words, all ........ and zero intellect? When you formulate theories like that, and now this one, you become invisible in the spectrum of reason. I suppose this is why you defend Pinky's childlike mind, you relate to eachother, as well as have the common belief that Rossi sucks (or do I need to show you side by side posts where you and Pink say as much).

You are obsolete.

Sorry for tangent, back on topic:

I was thinking this morning that perhaps Bayliss will be able to find some setting issues but will that be able to translate into improvements for the current machine? I think Bayliss is an outstanding rider, but he may be more like Stoner in the sense that they are not about finesse but are more able to work with unorthodox settings. I know its been mentioned before, but how can this translate for Hayden? Any suggestions?


Also, as far as Canepa. I think the lad’s seat is a bit misunderstood, I think he doesn't "belong" in MotoGP in the classical sense, but he does serve a good purpose. I think he is something like a test rider (I may be saying something obvious to most) but not to all. In this way Ducati can test parts at the actually venues and not have to wait for their 'true' test rider to test stuff at tracks that may have less translation to the actual tracks they race at. Your thoughts?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 12 2009, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry for tangent, back on topic:

I was thinking this morning that perhaps Bayliss will be able to find some setting issues but will that be able to translate into improvements for the current machine? I think Bayliss is an outstanding rider, but he may be more like Stoner in the sense that they are not about finesse but are more able to work with unorthodox settings. I know its been mentioned before, but how can this translate for Hayden? Any suggestions?


Also, as far as Canepa. I think the lad’s seat is a bit misunderstood, I think he doesn't "belong" in MotoGP in the classical sense, but he does serve a good purpose. I think he is something like a test rider (I may be saying something obvious to most) but not to all. In this way Ducati can test parts at the actually venues and not have to wait for their 'true' test rider to test stuff at tracks that may have less translation to the actual tracks they race at. Your thoughts?
This seems right. Don't forget Canepa has never seen any of these tracks.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ May 12 2009, 08:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hahahaha hayden needs be replayced not crewcheef. all you yanky hayden fanboys no that hayden is finished so are his brothers. nun of them could ride or develop even a sit on lawnmower sew what they doing in ama let alone motogp. hayden shud be sacked and replayced bye randy da punyet.


Holy ....! I skipped over your post because that's what I usually do when I see the pink cloud. Ah man, dude, my sides hurt!!! Ba-Hahahahahaha!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 12 2009, 09:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry for tangent, back on topic:

I was thinking this morning that perhaps Bayliss will be able to find some setting issues but will that be able to translate into improvements for the current machine? I think Bayliss is an outstanding rider, but he may be more like Stoner in the sense that they are not about finesse but are more able to work with unorthodox settings. I know its been mentioned before, but how can this translate for Hayden? Any suggestions?


Also, as far as Canepa. I think the lad’s seat is a bit misunderstood, I think he doesn't "belong" in MotoGP in the classical sense, but he does serve a good purpose. I think he is something like a test rider (I may be saying something obvious to most) but not to all. In this way Ducati can test parts at the actually venues and not have to wait for their 'true' test rider to test stuff at tracks that may have less translation to the actual tracks they race at. Your thoughts?

Canepa rides SBK style. He brakes late and accelerates early. His telemetry shows he's on the gas before any of the other Ducati riders.

Ducati are obviously aware of the changes with the tires and the retro-technologies from which they are sourced. I think they are giving Canepa a ride to find out whether his style will translate into speed.

It hasn't.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ May 12 2009, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This seems right. Don't forget Canepa has never seen any of these tracks.
I don't know much about the guy. If Ducati needed to make a case for him being in MotoGP, what would they point to? (Not a dig, honestly just curious).

Arrab, you had my having a second look over this entire thread with the new avatar. No more pinky impersonations, having one pinky and all his alter egos around is more than enough.

I'm not sure how I feel about the appointment of Martinez. On the one hand, it can't get any worse than it has and some sort of change needed to be made and Martinez's resume is quite impressive considering the success he had with Gibernau. My reservation is this: He and Gibernau had magic at Gresini Honda for a time, and the time when they were magical was when the RC211V was head and shoulders better than all the other bikes out there. When Rossi and JB brought the M1 within striking distance of the Hondas and Gresini nabbed Melandri, suddenly Gibernau and Martinez couldn't keep the magic anymore. And they couldn't find it when they went to Ducati in 2006, either.

I don't know much about Martinez apart from his time with Gibernau and Westy, but if he couldn't rediscover the magic he and Gibernau had at Gresini Honda and couldn't gain employment anywhere other than Westy's half of the Kawasaki garage, I have to wonder how big a piece of the puzzle he was to Gibernau's success. Gibs was riding out of his mind for the better part of three seasons, I get the feeling he was going to go fast in that time regardless of who was in his garage.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 12 2009, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry for tangent, back on topic:

I was thinking this morning that perhaps Bayliss will be able to find some setting issues but will that be able to translate into improvements for the current machine? I think Bayliss is an outstanding rider, but he may be more like Stoner in the sense that they are not about finesse but are more able to work with unorthodox settings. I know its been mentioned before, but how can this translate for Hayden? Any suggestions?


Also, as far as Canepa. I think the lad’s seat is a bit misunderstood, I think he doesn't "belong" in MotoGP in the classical sense, but he does serve a good purpose. I think he is something like a test rider (I may be saying something obvious to most) but not to all. In this way Ducati can test parts at the actually venues and not have to wait for their 'true' test rider to test stuff at tracks that may have less translation to the actual tracks they race at. Your thoughts?
The only way it translates for Hayden is if Bayliss can find speed using a different set up than Stoner is on. That's really all Hayden can hope for, that Bayliss can find some speed or comfortability in a setting that Stoner doesn't use. It seems to me Hayden is pretty lost, how else can you explain going slower than in winter testing? Anything resembling comfortability and speed will be an upgrade.

That's been my appraisal of Canepa. I think he'd be better off riding WSS or WSBK.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 12 2009, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you missed Al's humor friend. Check out the thread entitled Caption Contest. Pinky openly admits hes is in fact, .........

No no Jumkie dude, I did get it It just reminds me of when I used to live back home how my mum would nag and nag at my brother about something like leaving mess around and he's just calmly say 'So whats your point'? Its quite clear that Pinky or whatever he now calls himself is a major tard so thats how I deal with him lol.

You had any more pathetic messages lately?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ May 12 2009, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Arrab, you had my having a second look over this entire thread with the new avatar. No more pinky impersonations, having one pinky and all his alter egos around is more than enough.

I'm not sure how I feel about the appointment of Martinez. On the one hand, it can't get any worse than it has and some sort of change needed to be made and Martinez's resume is quite impressive considering the success he had with Gibernau. My reservation is this: He and Gibernau had magic at Gresini Honda for a time, and the time when they were magical was when the RC211V was head and shoulders better than all the other bikes out there. When Rossi and JB brought the M1 within striking distance of the Hondas and Gresini nabbed Melandri, suddenly Gibernau and Martinez couldn't keep the magic anymore. And they couldn't find it when they went to Ducati in 2006, either.

I don't know much about Martinez apart from his time with Gibernau and Westy, but if he couldn't rediscover the magic he and Gibernau had at Gresini Honda and couldn't gain employment anywhere other than Westy's half of the Kawasaki garage, I have to wonder how big a piece of the puzzle he was to Gibernau's success. Gibs was riding out of his mind for the better part of three seasons, I get the feeling he was going to go fast in that time regardless of who was in his garage.


The only way it translates for Hayden is if Bayliss can find speed using a different set up than Stoner is on. That's really all Hayden can hope for, that Bayliss can find some speed or comfortability in a setting that Stoner doesn't use. It seems to me Hayden is pretty lost, how else can you explain going slower than in winter testing? Anything resembling comfortability and speed will be an upgrade.

That's been my appraisal of Canepa. I think he'd be better off riding WSS or WSBK.

Good post. But c'mon, even I thought Arrabis impersonation was hilarious. (or am I reading you wrong, because yeah, I had to do a double take myself--which made me laugh openly). I suppose humor is the best defense, eh.


But yeah I think that's why I have my reservation about Martinez. But maybe Suppos sees something, and if anything, its just a change. (Perhaps too soon? Maybe they should have given it a few more races?? (Qatar and Motegi really shouldn't count).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#22 @ May 12 2009, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No no Jumkie dude, I did get it It just reminds me of when I used to live back home how my mum would nag and nag at my brother about something like leaving mess around and he's just calmly say 'So whats your point'? Its quite clear that Pinky or whatever he now calls himself is a major tard so thats how I deal with him lol.

You had any more pathetic messages lately?

Ah, got you.

Not lately friend. It seems he realizes it bothering him more than me. But now the cancer has spread to wsbk threads.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 12 2009, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Hahaha, yeah yeah, I guess he doesn't hate Hayden he just hates Hayden.

Curve, I need one of your Alzheimer's posters.


Yeah, I heard you, its because Hayden's "fans" that Pinky hates. Barry, you & Pinks are the worst Stoner fans here, and I don't go hating on Stoner because he has two ..... fans that hold eachother's hands every time you two log on. Hahaha, wow, and this is the peak of insight on your defense of Pinky? Breathtaking.

Your ongoing defense of Pinky puts you in the same category of irrational and demented members. I usually don't respond to you because, well frankly your debate skill is not much of a challenge, I guess its the same reason I don't debate infants; all they do is drool on themselves and say gaga goo goo. But you decided to call me out, great, no problem, I'll bite.

Your theory, eh? Oh, something like your 10+ point theory on why Rossi is NOT a pure rider? I'm not a fan of Rossi in the classic sense, but even a reasonable non-Rossi fan would have a hard time coming up with 1 reason, much less more than 10. In other words, all ........ and zero intellect? When you formulate theories like that, and now this one, you become invisible in the spectrum of reason. I suppose this is why you defend Pinky's childlike mind, you relate to eachother, as well as have the common belief that Rossi sucks (or do I need to show you side by side posts where you and Pink say as much).

You are obsolete.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 13 2009, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry for tangent, back on topic:

I was thinking this morning that perhaps Bayliss will be able to find some setting issues but will that be able to translate into improvements for the current machine? I think Bayliss is an outstanding rider, but he may be more like Stoner in the sense that they are not about finesse but are more able to work with unorthodox settings. I know its been mentioned before, but how can this translate for Hayden? Any suggestions?

I'm no expert, but I think the 800's need to ne riden like high powered 250's, where corner entry, mid corner speed, and exit are king.
I think Bayliss is used to bigger SBK type bikes, with less grip and big power and torque, that move around a lot, and where getting on the gas early is what makes you fast. I think Hayden has come from the same sort of background , and guys like JT the same. I think Ducati are bringing Bayliss in for a test in the hope that he can make the bike go fast using a similar riding style to what Hayden is used to, rather than trying to force Hayden to ride the bike like a 250 (as Stoner probably does).
Maybe this style worked in the 990's, but I think the riding style has changed with the 800's, which is where guys like Pedro, Lorenzo, Stoner and Dovi and now running at the front with Rossi (who can probably ride anything).
(Although MM destroys that theory, because he was good on 250's)

I rate Bayliss as one of the best of recent years, and I also think he can ride anything fast. As someone said earlier, Bayliss will not ride at anything less than 100%. I think his involvement will really help Nicky, and maybe he can help mentor Nicky.
I think the biggest problem is that Nicky has lost his confidence. If he can feel comfortable on the bike, and get some reasonable results, the confidence will come back, and then the results will improve.
Maybe Ducati need to get hold of a 250, and get Nicky riding that on a test track, and learn to go fast on a 250, then step back on to the 800.
Like I said, I'm no expert.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ May 12 2009, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm no expert, but I think the 800's need to ne riden like high powered 250's, where corner entry, mid corner speed, and exit are king.
I think Bayliss is used to bigger SBK type bikes, with less grip and big power and torque, that move around a lot, and where getting on the gas early is what makes you fast. I think Hayden has come from the same sort of background , and guys like JT the same. I think Ducati are bringing Bayliss in for a test in the hope that he can make the bike go fast using a similar riding style to what Hayden is used to, rather than trying to force Hayden to ride the bike like a 250 (as Stoner probably does).
Maybe this style worked in the 990's, but I think the riding style has changed with the 800's, which is where guys like Pedro, Lorenzo, Stoner and Dovi and now running at the front with Rossi (who can probably ride anything).
(Although MM destroys that theory, because he was good on 250's)

I rate Bayliss as one of the best of recent years, and I also think he can ride anything fast. As someone said earlier, Bayliss will not ride at anything less than 100%. I think his involvement will really help Nicky, and maybe he can help mentor Nicky.
I think the biggest problem is that Nicky has lost his confidence. If he can feel comfortable on the bike, and get some reasonable results, the confidence will come back, and then the results will improve.
Maybe Ducati need to get hold of a 250, and get Nicky riding that on a test track, and learn to go fast on a 250, then step back on to the 800.
Like I said, I'm no expert.


You are not so Nuts. One of the best post to describe the issue (at least part of it)--800 closer to 250 style, 990 closer to SBK style, agree.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 13 2009, 02:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I suppose this is why you defend Pinky's childlike mind,

I am not defending Pinky's behaviour on this, if you bothered to look back over some of his Hayden hate threads you would see I am one of the first to defend Hayden and express wonder as to why he does profess to hate Hayden.

What I wrote was really not a dig at you even, its just why I think Pinky started on Hayden's case....... because otherwise its beyond me as to why he belittles the guy.

I think you have misread the intent of my post .... perhaps you need to look at your own idiosyncrasies too

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ May 12 2009, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am not defending Pinky's behaviour on this, if you bothered to look back over some of his Hayden hate threads you would see I am one of the first to defend Hayden and express wonder as to why he does profess to hate Hayden.

What I wrote was really not a dig at you even, its just why I think Pinky started on Hayden's case....... because otherwise its beyond me as to why he belittles the guy.

I think you have misread the intent of my post .... perhaps you need to look at your own idiosyncrasies too


Barry, you asked me too look back on pink's theme of posts to refresh my memory or sorts, but I submit, it may be you who needs the refreshing (see last paragraph). When pinks first got on here he was all about shitting on Rossi because the 'Faithful' would not accept Stoner's domination in 07. May I remind you, that you chimed in your support of pinks back then (understandable since you are both Stoner fans).

However, Pinks also voiced his hate for all things Hayden (and Americans in general). At first I tried to debate him honestly, but he would have nothing of it (I suspect because of the inability to carry mildly complex discussion). He's turned to trolling continually and has continued to be emboldened to the point of openly trolling with multiple aliases. When I exposed him in a previous thread ('Sack Hayden' started by one of his aliases before the season began), you mildly chimed in support of pinks by saying you thought he was misunderstood and was just a guy with a g"grudge" against certain fans (albeit you said while voicing your frustration on another member, however, its was still a support of pinks in what otherwise was a scathing exposure of the true nature of such a demented human being).

Now on this thread you seem to support pinks by again seeding your "theory" that he is actually not a hater of Hayden but just hates Nicky’s fanboy's like me (that was your point). Well if it’s just us fanboys he is after, then what explains the hate for all things American (to the point of wishing a repeat of 911)? Got any bright theories? (Assuming you are aware that not all Hayden fanboys are American, and that the other American riders are not Hayden, which he has now turned his hate to include Spies). So NO; I don't think I mistook your "intent". Your theory is not 'simply' incorrect (that would be honest) but rather there is some "intent" in formulating your theory--and that is what I responded to...

However, here you want to backpedal that it was not a dig at me? Ok Barry, I'll play along. But I can't play alone your propensity to stick your head in the sand about pinks. You may want to take compassion on him because he got worse after we had a well deserved laugh at him for his embarrassing screen shot, but you forgot his "intent" for putting up the screen shot in the first place (complete backfire)! So you may need the refresher course on pinks. He is simply full of ....; and like a cancer, there is nothing good about him (try as you may). And that goes for anybody trying to defend his ways (even the most mild defense) as far as I'm concerned. If you want to associate yourself or 'understand' why he is a monster-with-a-grudge then you're categorizing yourself.

You forgot in your "theory" that when pinks first appeared, the tire debate was ragging, as well as the apology for Stoner's 07 domination was in full effect by the 'Faithful'. What side of the debate was I on??... So NO Barry, it’s not about us Nicky fanboys creating a monster of Pinky (or as you say, we made " just-a-stoner fan into a stoner fan with-a-grudge"). Pinky was a grudging monster then and continues to be now; and we had nothing to do with it; he was just born that way.

Jum don't even bother with The Pink nightmare. SO he just says .... against Hayden and Americans cause he is jealous that he can't be us. HE knows he is a little ..... and can't stand the fact that Hayden is riding a Duc along side Stoner. Plus those two get along well so that can't make him happy. The only thing you can do anymore is look at his posts as he really is, which is .........

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ May 13 2009, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jum don't even bother with The Pink nightmare. ... which is .........

You're right.

BACK ON TOPIC:

Is Juan Martinez 2nd language English? (just wondering becasue....) Nicky speaks Kentuckian and that is a far cry from English (but now, really).