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New Crew Chief For Hayden

IMO, and it is purely my theory but I wonder if the performances of MM this year thus far have kind of forced the hand in favour of Hayden and the changes.

Reason being is that in all realistic terms it was only really last year where there was such a large unexplainable discrepancy between the two Ducati riders performances. In 2007 it is fair to say that Loris did underperform compared to Stoner but it was the first year of 800cc and he had his own problems, but he did win a race so to me that wasn't a poor year, but 2008 was.

So, whilst many businesses may 'accept' one poor year as an aberration or due to 'unforeseen circumstances', no business woudl accept two poor years that cannot be explained.

It has been said many times that Ducati wanted MM and NH before CS so they obviously rate both of these riders (MM + NH) very highly indeed and one could suspect even higher in some regards to CS (thus whey they wwanted them before CS). In 2008 they got MM and realistically his performances were disgracefully disappointing so Ducati released him and he was picked up by the bike/company said to be the 'worst' in the Paddock in Kawasaki.

In 2009 MM rides a bike and produces outstanding results when compared to his previous year but also the results the bike achieved in 2008, so he shows he has talent.

In 2009 Ducati get their hands on NH who after a difficult year in 2008, albeit with some acceptable results, also find the Ducati a major struggle and is unable to produce any level of 'acceptable' (to NH and Ducati) performance.

So, in consecutive years Ducati have highly rated riders underperforming and as any business should do, now they worry as the consecutive years with different riders would indicate that it is not an aberration but a consistent state of play. Time to change.

Thus they start with the logical component of the team involved which I am sure has some consistency between MM and NH, leaving alone the team of CS for obvious reasons.

From there, the data is imperative as they can compare between the two and see obvious differences and hopefully design and/or improve around that.t

Now it is only a theory but to me, I have no doubt that MM's performances have focussed Ducati to teh fact that riders may not be the major issue and it is time to look elsewhere.







Garry
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#27aus @ May 12 2009, 04:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and this is another proof that puig had it right... hayden is a hypocrite... blaming crew chief for his own lack of talent.

I don't normally get involved in this hate mail ...., but what is your beef with Hayden. To be as vocal as you are about him, you have a serious issue with him.
There are other riders not performing as they should, and I am sure there are other riders less likeable that Hayden, but you seriously hate this guy.
Did he shag your girlfriend or something. What is the issue.
I don't think anyone really pays any attention to your rants, but I am actually really curious what your issue with him is.
 
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Interestingly enough Dovi is achieving about the same as Hayden with the fully developed pneumatic valved engine.

Maybe Benson needs to go?

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I wish I hadn't said that, but you have to ask the question.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 11 2009, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Always consider the source my friend.

Migs & Company and other resident haters (excluding Pinky--who is beyond hate.), can you see why this guy is respected by most reasonable people around here? Take a look at this quote above; it typifies Hayden's attitude and understanding of the sport, and more importantly, his character as a man. This is how a man speaks in regards to his profession (even the overtly ...... ones like his treatment at Repsol Honda) or with his new team in the mists of struggling. None of his fans say he has "super human powers" or is the 2nd coming to "sliced bread" as you boys try and suggest, but rather a humble but better than average rider that is a stand-up guy with a great work ethic. Take a look at most riders who have struggled and you will find that they .... on the bike and team openly when the going gets tough, even if they do it mildly like Dovi has recently with Repsol, or just blatantly as Melandri did at Gresini. If there was ever a pass for a guy to talk .... about his team, it would have been Nicky at Repsol, yet you heard nothing of the sort accept praise and gratitude for the opportunity. Now again, he puts it on himself, saying he is the principle person that has to step it up. He recognizes and openly admits that he, as the rider, has to make the difference.

Try as you may, you will never be able to rewrite the history book Migs; 2006 happened! It was a fantastic year for him, and obviously he hasn't had another outstanding one like that so far, but he is trying and we as his fans can't ask for much other than the team exhausting there side of the effort as well (something that you and resident haters concluded as excuse making while at Repsol). And every time you try and make some not-so-ambiguous underhanded dig at Hayden, it tickles me that it still is a thorn in your mind that Nicky has a title to his name.
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Credit to Ducati , they do seem like they are trying everything. Much respect two both team and rider.

Credit to Nicky to knowing it is his responsibilty to deliver. All the Fanboys can now stop making excuses for him since Ducati are doing as much as they can to give Nicky a chance....And even HE is acknowledging he as the Rider has to deliver the goods...

Jumkie, 2006 did happen and it was a great year for Nicky.....and History does note him as champion since he who has the most points at the end of the season wins....I may not like it, but thems the rules...Will anyone remember Nicky's 2006 title win as great in the later years or will they simply note it as a footnote in Rossi's career.....well we shall see....
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Now do you think Nicky will make a monster comeback to be in top 5 by end of season or not?
 
Well good luck to both Nicky and Juan a lot of hard work ahead. I think it's a positive change since, first IIRC Juan Martinez was Sete's chief engineers in his best era (2004,2005) so he knows how to set up a bike to win and 2nd, well it can't get any worse than already was.

But were there any other personnel changes to the rest of Ducati teams? (Pramac & Hernando). I read they would be getting some factory parts for Le Mans (carbon fibre swing arms at least) should also help the overall Ducati performance.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 12 2009, 02:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Interestingly enough Dovi is achieving about the same as Hayden with the fully developed pneumatic valved engine.

nope... hes achieving more with less experience...
 
another wrong move from ducati. instead of wasting valuable resources on hayden, why change personell/management/strategy/ethos thats been working for stoner?


why move hell and earth to accmodate hayden? would havign hayden say come a competitive 6 -10thth in the champioship and say stoner 4th in the championship be better than say stoner the winner or runner up and hayden last??

i would say the latter ducati would prefer any day.

and that is provided that changing strategy would even help hayden.... especially given haydens patchy career.

oh well it seems like ducati is looking at the glass as half empty rather than half full.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#27aus @ May 12 2009, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nope... hes achieving more with less experience...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ May 12 2009, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>another wrong move from ducati. instead of wasting valuable resources on hayden, why change personell/management/strategy/ethos thats been working for stoner?


why move hell and earth to accmodate hayden? would havign hayden say come a competitive 6 -10thth in the champioship and say stoner 4th in the championship be better than say stoner the winner or runner up and hayden last??

i would say the latter ducati would prefer any day.

and that is provided that changing strategy would even help hayden.... especially given haydens patchy career.

oh well it seems like ducati is looking at the glass as half empty rather than half full.

So whats your point?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ May 11 2009, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IMO, and it is purely my theory but I wonder if the performances of MM this year thus far have kind of forced the hand in favour of Hayden and the changes.

Reason being is that in all realistic terms it was only really last year where there was such a large unexplainable discrepancy between the two Ducati riders performances. In 2007 it is fair to say that Loris did underperform compared to Stoner but it was the first year of 800cc and he had his own problems, but he did win a race so to me that wasn't a poor year, but 2008 was.

So, whilst many businesses may 'accept' one poor year as an aberration or due to 'unforeseen circumstances', no business woudl accept two poor years that cannot be explained.

It has been said many times that Ducati wanted MM and NH before CS so they obviously rate both of these riders (MM + NH) very highly indeed and one could suspect even higher in some regards to CS (thus whey they wwanted them before CS). In 2008 they got MM and realistically his performances were disgracefully disappointing so Ducati released him and he was picked up by the bike/company said to be the 'worst' in the Paddock in Kawasaki.

In 2009 MM rides a bike and produces outstanding results when compared to his previous year but also the results the bike achieved in 2008, so he shows he has talent.

In 2009 Ducati get their hands on NH who after a difficult year in 2008, albeit with some acceptable results, also find the Ducati a major struggle and is unable to produce any level of 'acceptable' (to NH and Ducati) performance.

So, in consecutive years Ducati have highly rated riders underperforming and as any business should do, now they worry as the consecutive years with different riders would indicate that it is not an aberration but a consistent state of play. Time to change.

Thus they start with the logical component of the team involved which I am sure has some consistency between MM and NH, leaving alone the team of CS for obvious reasons.

From there, the data is imperative as they can compare between the two and see obvious differences and hopefully design and/or improve around that.t

Now it is only a theory but to me, I have no doubt that MM's performances have focussed Ducati to teh fact that riders may not be the major issue and it is time to look elsewhere.







Garry

GAZ...top notch post. I think Ducati has to try and save face.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ May 12 2009, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he has no point, he's ........ you see..

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I know mate, I'm just doing it in the hope he gets so pissed off he buggers off!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ May 12 2009, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't normally get involved in this hate mail ...., but what is your beef with Hayden. To be as vocal as you are about him, you have a serious issue with him.
There are other riders not performing as they should, and I am sure there are other riders less likeable that Hayden, but you seriously hate this guy.
Did he shag your girlfriend or something. What is the issue.
I don't think anyone really pays any attention to your rants, but I am actually really curious what your issue with him is.

I don't think whomsoever he is really hates Hayden, I think he actually hates some of the fans on here ....... I vaguely remember a few disagreements way back when "he" started on here, mostly rossifan bantering about Stoner in 07, but to be honest when Jumkie and a few Hayden fans joined in the argument against "him" ...... he has since become a "Hayden Hater"

Well thats my theory anyway ....... trace back some of the posts of say Pinky or CS ... whomsoever ..

its pretty anal really
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actually melandris performance in 09 has been so so..... outside the top4, the rest of the field are way behind.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ May 12 2009, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think whomsoever he is really hates Hayden, I think he actually hates some of the fans on here ....... I vaguely remember a few disagreements way back when "he" started on here, mostly rossifan bantering about Stoner in 07, but to be honest when Jumkie and a few Hayden fans joined in the argument against "him" ...... he has since become a "Hayden Hater"

Well thats my theory anyway ....... trace back some of the posts of say Pinky or CS ... whomsoever ..

its pretty anal really
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You actually don't really read other people's posts, do you?

Maybe I am living in an alternate reality rather than you, but most hayden fans on here seem to me to incline towards being pro rather than anti stoner, and appreciate your feeling with which I am in sympathy that casey was given less credit than was his due for his 2007 world championship, since they have similar feelings about nicky's 2006 championship.

Whatever pinky/sybil says, hayden will forever be the 2006 world champion as stoner was in 2007; I am not aware that either employed snipers to shoot out rossi's or anyone else's tyres.
 
hahahaha hayden needs be replayced not crewcheef. all you yanky hayden fanboys no that hayden is finished so are his brothers. nun of them could ride or develop even a sit on lawnmower sew what they doing in ama let alone motogp. hayden shud be sacked and replayced bye randy da punyet.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ May 12 2009, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hahahaha hayden needs be replayced not crewcheef. all you yanky hayden fanboys no that hayden is finished so are his brothers. nun of them could ride or develop even a sit on lawnmower sew what they doing in ama let alone motogp. hayden shud be sacked and replayced bye randy da punyet.
He will only think he has a new friend arrab
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ May 12 2009, 12:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now do you think Nicky will make a monster comeback to be in top 5 by end of season or not?
I hope so.

Migs, Nicky will be remembered as one of a short list of world GP champions. And interestingly enough, the one that stopped the run by one of the greatest races ever. I'd say that is notoriety enough, even if he never duplicates the event.

Migs, you are fighting a lost battle, don't you know; 'love conquers hate'.
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