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Well it is a good thing cause Juan understands english and Italian. Hayden has had communication issues so this is a move is the right direction. The really cool thing is that Ducati understands that they have a presence on the grid and needs to get the rest of the riders up to snuff!
As per motogp.com
Since the Gran Premio bwin.com de España, where there were disappointing results for Ducati other than Casey Stoner’s best ever Jerez result, the Italian factory has taken several steps to improve their overall competitiveness.
A three-day test commences on Tuesday at Mugello, where Ducati test rider Vittoriano Guareschi will be joined by Troy Bayliss to focus on using the data from the opening three rounds of the season to further develop the GP9.
Also, some additional measures will take effect as of this weekend’s Grand Prix de France, with former Ducati employee Juan Martinez returning to the ‘family’, to work with Nicky Hayden after a spell with Kawasaki, and with a new approach being taken to the electronics set-up of the GP9 after some recent close data analysis.
Hayden has made a slow start to the new chapter of his career with Ducati, his Motegi DNF contributing to his current position of the penultimate place in the general standings. DMT Track Engineer Cristhian Pupulin, who has doubled up as Crew Chief to Loris Capirossi, Marco Melandri and Hayden since 2006, will now work with the data collected by all of the Ducati riders at the circuit.
As Ducati’s MotoGP Project Director Livio Suppo explains, “After the race at Jerez, which was fantastic for Casey but very difficult for Nicky, we had a few meetings to analyse our technical and organisational structure, with the goal of improving the all-round performances of our riders.”
“We came to the conclusion that after starting the season with some of the Ducati riders unable to match their positive form in winter testing, maybe this is the right time to introduce some new technical ideas in terms of the electronics as well as boosting our track presence in order to provide all of the Ducati riders with better support. The GP9 is still a very young machine and for the first time in MotoGP we have five bikes on the grid,” continued Suppo.
“For these two reasons we have decided that we need to concentrate more on coordinating all the data that we gather at each race in order to provide more direction for development,” the Italian boss added. “As well as changing the structure of the team we have some electronic updates and Cristhian Pupulin will be able to completely dedicate his time to the important role of coordination, which we need to continue to develop the GP9. It is a welcome return for Juan (Martinez), who worked with us in 2006 and we are sure he can quickly settle back in to life with the team.”
Hayden himself provided his perspective on the situation, saying, “Le Mans couldn’t get here soon enough after Jerez because I just want to get back on the bike and get back amongst the team trying to sort out our problems. The French track should be a little bit better for me, the bike is certainly stable under hard braking, acceleration is good and it’s good in a straight line and Le Mans has a lot of that. Having a bit more time in practice and qualifying is going to help everybody and maybe it can help me more than the rest.”
The 27 year-old from Owensboro, Kentucky, went on to say, “Also for Le Mans, we have a bit of new electronic management and a new team structure that I think should help me and all the Ducati riders. I believe that with Cristhian more freed up from some of the normal work as crew chief he can use his expertise more and focus on really working on the issues I am having with the bike and help give us a better direction and give more info to the factory.”
“So to fill his spot we will bring in Juan (Martnez), who has put up some solid results in MotoGP. He has already worked in Ducati and speaks good English and Italian so he was a good match. I can’t say I don’t have enough good manpower behind me and it has been encouraging to see Ducati trying everything and working so hard to help get me in a situation to deliver. The team is very important in our sport but it is really up to the rider to do his part and make the difference, so I hope I can step up and do my part soon!”
Since the Gran Premio bwin.com de España, where there were disappointing results for Ducati other than Casey Stoner’s best ever Jerez result, the Italian factory has taken several steps to improve their overall competitiveness.
A three-day test commences on Tuesday at Mugello, where Ducati test rider Vittoriano Guareschi will be joined by Troy Bayliss to focus on using the data from the opening three rounds of the season to further develop the GP9.
Also, some additional measures will take effect as of this weekend’s Grand Prix de France, with former Ducati employee Juan Martinez returning to the ‘family’, to work with Nicky Hayden after a spell with Kawasaki, and with a new approach being taken to the electronics set-up of the GP9 after some recent close data analysis.
Hayden has made a slow start to the new chapter of his career with Ducati, his Motegi DNF contributing to his current position of the penultimate place in the general standings. DMT Track Engineer Cristhian Pupulin, who has doubled up as Crew Chief to Loris Capirossi, Marco Melandri and Hayden since 2006, will now work with the data collected by all of the Ducati riders at the circuit.
As Ducati’s MotoGP Project Director Livio Suppo explains, “After the race at Jerez, which was fantastic for Casey but very difficult for Nicky, we had a few meetings to analyse our technical and organisational structure, with the goal of improving the all-round performances of our riders.”
“We came to the conclusion that after starting the season with some of the Ducati riders unable to match their positive form in winter testing, maybe this is the right time to introduce some new technical ideas in terms of the electronics as well as boosting our track presence in order to provide all of the Ducati riders with better support. The GP9 is still a very young machine and for the first time in MotoGP we have five bikes on the grid,” continued Suppo.
“For these two reasons we have decided that we need to concentrate more on coordinating all the data that we gather at each race in order to provide more direction for development,” the Italian boss added. “As well as changing the structure of the team we have some electronic updates and Cristhian Pupulin will be able to completely dedicate his time to the important role of coordination, which we need to continue to develop the GP9. It is a welcome return for Juan (Martinez), who worked with us in 2006 and we are sure he can quickly settle back in to life with the team.”
Hayden himself provided his perspective on the situation, saying, “Le Mans couldn’t get here soon enough after Jerez because I just want to get back on the bike and get back amongst the team trying to sort out our problems. The French track should be a little bit better for me, the bike is certainly stable under hard braking, acceleration is good and it’s good in a straight line and Le Mans has a lot of that. Having a bit more time in practice and qualifying is going to help everybody and maybe it can help me more than the rest.”
The 27 year-old from Owensboro, Kentucky, went on to say, “Also for Le Mans, we have a bit of new electronic management and a new team structure that I think should help me and all the Ducati riders. I believe that with Cristhian more freed up from some of the normal work as crew chief he can use his expertise more and focus on really working on the issues I am having with the bike and help give us a better direction and give more info to the factory.”
“So to fill his spot we will bring in Juan (Martnez), who has put up some solid results in MotoGP. He has already worked in Ducati and speaks good English and Italian so he was a good match. I can’t say I don’t have enough good manpower behind me and it has been encouraging to see Ducati trying everything and working so hard to help get me in a situation to deliver. The team is very important in our sport but it is really up to the rider to do his part and make the difference, so I hope I can step up and do my part soon!”
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 11 2009, 08:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm very impressed with Ducati. They are now shuffling their staff, hiring one of the all time greatest racers to test their machines, and the team boss has stated that having only one competitive rider on a Ducati is unacceptable and this must change. So kudos to Ducati. What a stark difference between Honda and Ducati. Yeah, Hayden is so far doing much worse performance wise, but at least the team is trying to figure it out as to why. You can't ask more than that.
I figure I'd just cut and past.
However, I will add, Juan coming over from Kawasaki...uhm is that a good thing?
I figure I'd just cut and past.
However, I will add, Juan coming over from Kawasaki...uhm is that a good thing?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ May 11 2009, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow, does Suppo read powerslide?
You never know. But it does go to show you that we have a decent group of members who have a good pulse on the sport. (Well except the self professed "......".)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ May 11 2009, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow, does Suppo read powerslide?
Suppo is INCREDIBLY self important. He thinks he's as big a celebrity as the riders. I doubt he'd take advice from ANYONE.
Suppo is INCREDIBLY self important. He thinks he's as big a celebrity as the riders. I doubt he'd take advice from ANYONE.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ May 11 2009, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Suppo is INCREDIBLY self important. He thinks he's as big a celebrity as the riders. I doubt he'd take advice from ANYONE.
Well be that as it may, I think we were one of the first to be calling for a new crewchief. I forget which member it was, but they had an personal conversation with the Ducati crewchief and found the communication was not good at all. They said he was almost wierd in a sense.
Well be that as it may, I think we were one of the first to be calling for a new crewchief. I forget which member it was, but they had an personal conversation with the Ducati crewchief and found the communication was not good at all. They said he was almost wierd in a sense.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 11 2009, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I really feel that Ducati garage is very one sided. Casey's crew are very close knit, it's almost a clique around him. They communicate well, and Casey remarked immediately during his first season with Ducati that his crew were like a family. It's quite clear that Cristian Gabbarrini is the key here, and that Casey benefits from a very close relationship with his crew chief, who runs a very tight ship - much in the same way that Ernesto Marinelli was so important to Bayliss. I don't think the other side of the garage is so sorted. Nicky's new crew chief, Christian Pupilin is a weird case. Toby and Julian were suggesting that the English on Nicky's side of the garage was not so strong, and that they are already bewildered by the laid back slang of the Kentucky kid.
The fact that the Ducati is so obviously sensitive, temperamental and has riders other than Stoner blindly chasing anything remotely approaching a decent setup suggests that rider feedback is imperative. I think that Nicky's crew will lack the information exchange/feedback loop which is so strong for Casey. Even Marco mentioned last year that communication was a problem on that side of the garage..and he's Italian for God's sake!! Seriously though, I think this is a major problem for Nicky this year, as it has been for previous incumbents on that side of the garage.
Got flame grilled for this at the time...but I've kept insisting that Pupulan could be the main problem, and that a change/redeployment/reshuffle of personnel might be the answer. Ducati seem to think so too, whether this will improve Nicky's fortunes remains to be seen.
The fact that the Ducati is so obviously sensitive, temperamental and has riders other than Stoner blindly chasing anything remotely approaching a decent setup suggests that rider feedback is imperative. I think that Nicky's crew will lack the information exchange/feedback loop which is so strong for Casey. Even Marco mentioned last year that communication was a problem on that side of the garage..and he's Italian for God's sake!! Seriously though, I think this is a major problem for Nicky this year, as it has been for previous incumbents on that side of the garage.
Got flame grilled for this at the time...but I've kept insisting that Pupulan could be the main problem, and that a change/redeployment/reshuffle of personnel might be the answer. Ducati seem to think so too, whether this will improve Nicky's fortunes remains to be seen.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 11 2009, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I figure I'd just cut and past.
However, I will add, Juan coming over from Kawasaki...uhm is that a good thing?
Sete made a bit of a stink about wanting Martinez when his ride was first getting set up. The word was that Ducati insisted on having their guys running the show. I thought it a bit silly then, but maybe Sete had more reason than immediately apparent to ask for him.
There's only so much blame that any Kawasaki crew members can get - you can't polish a turd (until it's fossilized, then the rose-tinted glasses effect comes into play and people in glass houses sink ships) Who knows how long he and Westy were calling out for changes that they never or only at the very end got? Or he could be a complete ....... and was fighting against good changes that West wanted. really, we can't know.
However, I will add, Juan coming over from Kawasaki...uhm is that a good thing?
Sete made a bit of a stink about wanting Martinez when his ride was first getting set up. The word was that Ducati insisted on having their guys running the show. I thought it a bit silly then, but maybe Sete had more reason than immediately apparent to ask for him.
There's only so much blame that any Kawasaki crew members can get - you can't polish a turd (until it's fossilized, then the rose-tinted glasses effect comes into play and people in glass houses sink ships) Who knows how long he and Westy were calling out for changes that they never or only at the very end got? Or he could be a complete ....... and was fighting against good changes that West wanted. really, we can't know.
It actually sounds like Hayden had a say in the changes. Maybe he is growing a set? I think he has to put his opinions out strongly is he wants to stay in MotoGP. Good for him though a shakeup was needed badly. Too bad Suzuki believe in a job for life strategy...they could use a revamp also.
It's a team effort. Rossi is a wizard no doubt but without Burgess do you think he would have made so many great races? It is so important to have a crew that clicks and Duc is starting to see that they have a big problem with everybody else but Stacey Coner. It will be cool if they get it sorted and all of a sudden we got a couple more Ducs fighting at the front.
Anybody see Haga throw it in the stands this weekend? MAN!
Anybody see Haga throw it in the stands this weekend? MAN!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ May 11 2009, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Got flame grilled for this at the time...but I've kept insisting that Pupulan could be the main problem, and that a change/redeployment/reshuffle of personnel might be the answer. Ducati seem to think so too, whether this will improve Nicky's fortunes remains to be seen.
Always consider the source my friend.
Not sure if this applies to the UK, but here a "flamer" has a special connotation. LINK
On a related note:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"I can’t say I don’t have enough good manpower behind me and it has been encouraging to see Ducati trying everything and working so hard to help get me in a situation to deliver. The team is very important in our sport but it is really up to the rider to do his part and make the difference, so I hope I can step up and do my part soon!” Nicky Hayden
Speaking of flamers...
Migs & Company and other resident haters (excluding Pinky--who is beyond hate.), can you see why this guy is respected by most reasonable people around here? Take a look at this quote above; it typifies Hayden's attitude and understanding of the sport, and more importantly, his character as a man. This is how a man speaks in regards to his profession (even the overtly ...... ones like his treatment at Repsol Honda) or with his new team in the mists of struggling. None of his fans say he has "super human powers" or is the 2nd coming to "sliced bread" as you boys try and suggest, but rather a humble but better than average rider that is a stand-up guy with a great work ethic. Take a look at most riders who have struggled and you will find that they .... on the bike and team openly when the going gets tough, even if they do it mildly like Dovi has recently with Repsol, or just blatantly as Melandri did at Gresini. If there was ever a pass for a guy to talk .... about his team, it would have been Nicky at Repsol, yet you heard nothing of the sort accept praise and gratitude for the opportunity. Now again, he puts it on himself, saying he is the principle person that has to step it up. He recognizes and openly admits that he, as the rider, has to make the difference.
Try as you may, you will never be able to rewrite the history book Migs; 2006 happened! It was a fantastic year for him, and obviously he hasn't had another outstanding one like that so far, but he is trying and we as his fans can't ask for much other than the team exhausting there side of the effort as well (something that you and resident haters concluded as excuse making while at Repsol). And every time you try and make some not-so-ambiguous underhanded dig at Hayden, it tickles me that it still is a thorn in your mind that Nicky has a title to his name.
Credit to Ducati , they do seem like they are trying everything. Much respect two both team and rider.
Always consider the source my friend.
Not sure if this applies to the UK, but here a "flamer" has a special connotation. LINK
On a related note:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"I can’t say I don’t have enough good manpower behind me and it has been encouraging to see Ducati trying everything and working so hard to help get me in a situation to deliver. The team is very important in our sport but it is really up to the rider to do his part and make the difference, so I hope I can step up and do my part soon!” Nicky Hayden
Speaking of flamers...
Migs & Company and other resident haters (excluding Pinky--who is beyond hate.), can you see why this guy is respected by most reasonable people around here? Take a look at this quote above; it typifies Hayden's attitude and understanding of the sport, and more importantly, his character as a man. This is how a man speaks in regards to his profession (even the overtly ...... ones like his treatment at Repsol Honda) or with his new team in the mists of struggling. None of his fans say he has "super human powers" or is the 2nd coming to "sliced bread" as you boys try and suggest, but rather a humble but better than average rider that is a stand-up guy with a great work ethic. Take a look at most riders who have struggled and you will find that they .... on the bike and team openly when the going gets tough, even if they do it mildly like Dovi has recently with Repsol, or just blatantly as Melandri did at Gresini. If there was ever a pass for a guy to talk .... about his team, it would have been Nicky at Repsol, yet you heard nothing of the sort accept praise and gratitude for the opportunity. Now again, he puts it on himself, saying he is the principle person that has to step it up. He recognizes and openly admits that he, as the rider, has to make the difference.
Try as you may, you will never be able to rewrite the history book Migs; 2006 happened! It was a fantastic year for him, and obviously he hasn't had another outstanding one like that so far, but he is trying and we as his fans can't ask for much other than the team exhausting there side of the effort as well (something that you and resident haters concluded as excuse making while at Repsol). And every time you try and make some not-so-ambiguous underhanded dig at Hayden, it tickles me that it still is a thorn in your mind that Nicky has a title to his name.
Credit to Ducati , they do seem like they are trying everything. Much respect two both team and rider.
Gotta agree with Jumkie there,99% of the time Nicky has always carried himself with dignity.Honda was an outstanding example.He is very much like Casey,they just get on with the job in hand.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 11 2009, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Migs & Company and other resident haters ...
Good post man, summarizes why I, and fans of other riders are also fans of Hayden.
Good post man, summarizes why I, and fans of other riders are also fans of Hayden.
shame... good man victimized by ducati because of haydens incompetence.... but on the other hand one excuse less for hayden idiotic fanatics group here when he maintains his shameful form.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ May 11 2009, 09:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Got flame grilled for this at the time...but I've kept insisting that Pupulan could be the main problem, and that a change/redeployment/reshuffle of personnel might be the answer. Ducati seem to think so too, whether this will improve Nicky's fortunes remains to be seen.
You know I can appreciate when someone can "see" what's going on.
You need to gloat more, it's very intoxicating.
You know I can appreciate when someone can "see" what's going on.
You need to gloat more, it's very intoxicating.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#27aus @ May 11 2009, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>shame... good man victimized by ducati because of haydens incompetence.... but on the other hand one excuse less for hayden idiotic fanatics group here when he maintains his shameful form.
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and this is another proof that puig had it right... hayden is a hypocrite... blaming crew chief for his own lack of talent.
