Mugello Race

Good call re the cards you are delt and the timing of it all. Some good examples to support your theory that timing and opportunity is everything.

- Lewis Hamilton, was in the right place at the right time, got the best car for his first two seasons and eveyone is saying he is the best. Now look at him. Similar case with Button, but role reversal.
- Mark Webber, clearly world championship material, but never had the car, ie not been handed the right cards.
- Roger Federer, he is amazing and his timing of career was pretty spot on in that he had no one to challenge him, but now his reign has come to an end.

Its the cards your delt and the timing they are given to you.

I still think Rossi has a World Title or two left in him though.

i must say i a little disappointed for the whole race coz stoner/duc, win i think it's will be interesting if the duc not win the race @ mugello

well say it's wet and dry race and it's good to watch JT on top ten and the 1st time the duc win at mugello
too bad rossi not win but he will win championship 09 for sure
and want to watch rossi battle with lorenzo
well the race continues

Good race!, I'm re-watching it just to work out who didn't lead at some stage

Catalunya is going to be important, and good too by the looks of it.

Bummed for Pedrosa "I like his balls" to coin a phrase , but I wondering now:

when 800's first came in he coped well with them,

but maybe they have stepped up in power enough he now can't?

Kinda like the reverse of the Hayden situation, only Hayden is now on Duc. so he's got bigger fish to fry than just a lack of power.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (is200 @ Jun 1 2009, 02:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good call re the cards you are delt and the timing of it all. Some good examples to support your theory that timing and opportunity is everything.

- Lewis Hamilton, was in the right place at the right time, got the best car for his first two seasons and eveyone is saying he is the best. Now look at him. Similar case with Button, but role reversal.

- Mark Webber, clearly world championship material, but never had the car, ie not been handed the right cards.


Its the cards your delt and the timing they are given to you.

I still think Rossi has a World Title or two left in him though.

I totally disagree with your point as you suggest the oppertunities are beyond the control of the drivers you mention. F1 drives are not picked out of a hat.

that was a good race. i was happy to see both 'zooks lead at differing stages but the lack of power is a big worry. both CV and loris were trying to keep up by late braking everywhere and basically wearing the tyres out prematurely by over riding the thing. i really hope they have the solution by catalan gp time. 'grats to stoner, a masterful race and also props to the yamaha boys...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jun 1 2009, 02:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I hope the Rossi boppers don't take this one for a ride but here goes. It is the youth that is taking it to Rossi. Not saying the doom and gloom and his career is over. But he is now of the experience group of racers and not of the piss and vinegar group he used to be a part of years ago. Now that doesn't mean he doesn't still have it. It just means he isn't fighting those battles like he used to in conditions where he may not have a good result from like last race. He is getting older now and it is the same for every human being. HE is the greatest of all time but look for him to have much of the same results here on out. The young guns of the sport aren't afraid of the all powerful Valentino. I doubt we will see a whole lotta run away wins from Vale anymore. Sure he is going to still win races I just think it is going to be way harder than it has ever been for him with the current crop of hungry riders.
Rossi's amazing talent and persona did a lot of good for our sport, it introduced a lot of people to the sport. many have said "but what after rossi", well my answer to that is stoner lorenzo dovi and many more im sure. Its a good thing we have these shinning stars taking it to the king because thats the future of our sport.

steve parish said, could a team like ducati promote Bradley to the 800 straight from 125 ? Dont know why he said that but stoner congratulated Bradley in parc ferme while being interview and they looked pretty pally.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ May 31 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Very good job by Stoner, today it was his confidence what made him win, when the situation was tricky he was going 100% at it like he always does while the others where being a bit more cautious. He didn't have the pace to beat the Yamaha guys but luckily for him the race ended just in time.

I'm I the only one that thinks Edward's motivation in basically to beat JT?? If someday JT Is leading a race ... CE is gonna win that one ... just out of sheer revenge motivation!!


I'd say Stoner did have the pace - but he's riding a more tactical race. Look at how many times he crashed last season - while being miles ahead of the pack. I reckon he was being more conservative - being satisfied with winning the race, rather than completely humiliating the pack.

About Edwards: I expect you're right. Both he and Toesland rode more competitively than they have
for a while. Problem is . . . they're racing "locally" while the front-runners are racing "globally".

And damn it was sad to see Capirossi wailing away up at the front - only to see the labors of his hard work taken away in the last two laps. The man has heart.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jun 1 2009, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd say Stoner did have the pace - but he's riding a more tactical race. Look at how many times he crashed last season - while being miles ahead of the pack. I reckon he was being more conservative - being satisfied with winning the race, rather than completely humiliating the pack.

I think he said that in an interview just before the season started. And at qatar he exhibited that well, he managed the gap in that one, wouldn't let Rossi get within 2 seconds.

But I think Mugello was the first time since that we've seen him out in front enough to "manage a lead".

But generally I think they have the plan to counter those crashes, and poor races early last year, he's in a better position I suppose so maybe its working.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jun 1 2009, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think he said that in an interview just before the season started. And at qatar he exhibited that well, he managed the gap in that one, wouldn't let Rossi get within 2 seconds.

But I think Mugello was the first time since that we've seen him out in front enough to "manage a lead".

But generally I think they have the plan to counter those crashes, and poor races early last year, he's in a better position I suppose so maybe its working.


Well stated!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (is200 @ Jun 1 2009, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What a race, some immense skill show out on track last night.

.............. its pretty likley that Lorenzo and Rossi will be on the same/similar pace to each other all year long, so basically they will take points off each other. If casey can continue to be up there with them he may be able to jag some wins with Rossi and Lorenzo trading 2nd and thirds....inevitably helping increase the points gap. ...........

Very, very good point, which could be the key to the season.

So if Rossi really wants this one, he has to win more races than Stoner or Lorenzo. The 'accountant' option will not work. That spells good for us, the spectators.

This assuming Lorenzo can stay consistent. I am not yet a believer... the fact he's often faster than Rossi on the same machinery simply means he's taking considerable risks, since Rossi is quite capable of taking a bike to the limit--so no wonder he still seems crash-prone. Good luck to him, of course. He's a great talent.

But I still think that Rossi and Stoner are the best, and in the end it will be again between the two of them.

Re: Pedrosa's chances of returning to racing soon:

Dani Pedrosa today returned home to Barcelona where Doctor Xavier Mir, at the USP Institut Universitari Dexeus, confirmed that the Repsol Honda rider had not suffered any further injuries during his crash in yesterday’s Italian Grand Prix.

Pedrosa had started the race injured after a big rear wheel slide and subsequent shake from his bike in Saturday morning’s practice session caused the unlucky Spaniard to incur severe stretching in his right hip. The scans today also showed that the initial diagnosis at the circuit on Saturday had been correct and Pedrosa had pulled the gluteus medius muscle, which caused a small crack in the greater trochanter (thigh) bone where the muscle attaches.

Just imagine the kind g-forces/kinetics involved - where a guy as young and healthy
as Pedrosa could sustain that kind of injury . . . without actually falling off the bike
or hitting anything!

Rossi switched to Michelins mid-race..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (narstynarnst @ Jun 1 2009, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi switched to Michelins mid-race..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jun 1 2009, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just imagine the kind g-forces/kinetics involved - where a guy as young and healthy
as Pedrosa could sustain that kind of injury . . . without actually falling off the bike
or hitting anything!

I am guessing he may have gotten injured becasue he has the body of a very small female . Seriously

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 1 2009, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am guessing he may have gotten injured becasue he has the body of a very small female . Seriously
to be fair it doesnt looklike he pumps the weights does it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 1 2009, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>to be fair it doesnt looklike he pumps the weights does it
IF anyone is doing any pumping it is Puig behind Dani!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jun 1 2009, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IF anyone is doing any pumping it is Puig behind Dani!!!

BigAl Capirossi stated that at Barcelona Suzuki will have a new motor. Whether that means an upgrade or completely new??? That was the first I had heard of it. Surely, they have to bring more power they are still a year behind everyone else enginewise.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jun 1 2009, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>BigAl Capirossi stated that at Barcelona Suzuki will have a new motor. Whether that means an upgrade or completely new??? That was the first I had heard of it. Surely, they have to bring more power they are still a year behind everyone else enginewise.
yeah i heard him say there will be a "new " engine, was hopping you might know more about it. Was clear to see it was engine power that kept capi off the podium at mugello.