Mugello Race

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jun 1 2009, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>BigAl Capirossi stated that at Barcelona Suzuki will have a new motor. Whether that means an upgrade or completely new??? That was the first I had heard of it. Surely, they have to bring more power they are still a year behind everyone else enginewise.
have heard the same thing. i dont know if its a new lump or if the old one is just getting a fettling.
hope its a new motor personally. the lack of oomph in the old one was painful to watch and barcelona will expose that deficit even more cruelly.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 1 2009, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I totally disagree with your point as you suggest the oppertunities are beyond the control of the drivers you mention. F1 drives are not picked out of a hat.

Tom i do agree that F1 drivers are not picked out of a hat, they are the best of the best, and in turn all very similar in abilities to each other.

However i do believe that a massive amount of opportunities to be in F1 with a race winning car come down to being in the right team at the right time. With the constant regulation changes and the limit of those machaines it is predominatley a car driven sport.

DC commented on the red button in Monaco that F1 is (approximatley) 80% car and 20% driver, ii have heard some people say its more like 90/10. Either way you can only win if you have the right car. This was supported by my example of Hamilton (who is brilliant) but was dealt the best cards, he was nutured by McLaren from a young age, they saw marketing potential and talent and invested in him, he in turn entered F1 with the best car in his first 2 seasons.

The second example is Button, he is a great driver, always has been, but he found himself in a team that although was almost the largest spender continued to produce poor cars, he then finds himself in the best car out there and is getting the business done. He is driving the same was he has for the last 6 years (albeit wiht more experiance) but is now gettig the results.

Neither Jenson Button or Lewis Hamilton did anything to dictate how good their car was going to be this year, they can only drive what they are given, or play the cards they are delt. Does it mean that Button is now a better driver than Lewis? Who knows, we cant really answer it as they have never had equal machinery.

Its widley regarded that Alonso is the best driver in the field, now he is not even getting on the podium, how is it that the best driver is not in the best car...well given time im sure he will find his way back to a race winning seat, but circumstances have dictated that he has not been given that opportunity over the last 2 seasons.

Moto GP is very different that F1 in that the rider can make so much more differance in the result, of course you have to have the bike and tyres but when it comes down to it the good riders always get the results. F1 is just not like that, the good cars always get the results, inter team competition is the best comparison to see how good a driver is, but you just cant compare Kubicas results this year to Massas or Lewis' to Buttons.

Is it fair that after 2 seasons of great driving Lewis is in a mid pack car? Of course its not, is it fair that after button finished down the bottom in the last 2 years he now has a WDC car? Of course not. But thats where its not down to the drivers, they can only drive what they are given, and deal with the cards they are delt.

IMO id say 12 drivers out there 'deserve' a WDC car. But only two will get one.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Jun 1 2009, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>have heard the same thing. i dont know if its a new lump or if the old one is just getting a fettling.
hope its a new motor personally. the lack of oomph in the old one was painful to watch and barcelona will expose that deficit even more cruelly.


but this has been the case since the zuke has been in motogp. kinda getting old. it seems that everything else works pretty well on the bike. why can't they get some more hp out of the damn thing. i personally would like to see some more guys battling at the top.

Have no time to read this thread. Unless the universe has shifted, I can probably predict what each member said. You got your fair and balanced, your mindless-cheerleaders, your trolls, your diplomats, your ....... and of course Tom & Pinky (special category). so I can't be bothered at the moment, unless somebody quotes me something that may need my attention.


Otherwise:

It was an exciting race. Kept me on my toes. Didn't know what was going to happen.
Three Italians one, two, three, at one moment, wow. Drama, bike changes, weather crazy, etc.

Casey, he's the ..... I hope he wins the title.
Lorenzo is the great Spanish hope, and he is delivering. If he wins the title, I wouldn't be upset. He deserves it too.
Rossi is still the man but if the conditions are not perfect and the bike/tires are not perfect he's a podium finisher at best. Makes me wonder what his career would have been on a Suzuki. Geez, did somebody read his post race comments about tires, he sound like Stacy Moaner. Hahaha. (Stooping for a moment for you Casey haters).
Dovi is not the answer that Honda and the Hayden haters thought he would be. Home track, in the lead, and you get passed three times and off the podium. Either way, 4th was good enough.

Other notables:

Yamaha, the best bike on the grid, no question about it!


Loris keeps making a case that Vermulen should have been replaced by Spies. I'm just glad now that they were too stupid to do it, otherwise we would have missed the domnating performance by Spies in WSBK.

Canepa, I didn't expect him to ever enter the top ten, he proved me wrong. Good job (I guess).

Melandri, what happen to him? He goes from leading to almost last.

Hayden, stinks right now. He's killing me slowly.

Kalio, I guess not sliced bread after all?

Takacrashi, you suck.

I'm pretty sure I saw tears in Puig's eyes when Peders went gravel surfing. Hope he's ok, Dovi and Peders practically tied in points. Honda deserve it. You ...... yourselves when when you favored Peders over Hayden.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 3 2009, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm pretty sure I saw tears in Puig's eyes when Peders went gravel surfing. Hope he's ok, Dovi and Peders practically tied in points. Honda deserve it. You ...... yourselves when when you favored Peders over Hayden.


Karma is a ..... all the way around

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 3 2009, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Karma is a ..... all the way around

That piece of very bad tarmac will someday be in hell for treating Peders so harshly. What was it he said, "Life will repay him..."

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Jun 3 2009, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but this has been the case since the zuke has been in motogp. kinda getting old. it seems that everything else works pretty well on the bike. why can't they get some more hp out of the damn thing. i personally would like to see some more guys battling at the top.
The situation, as I see it, and I may well have the wrong impression, is that they don't divert the necessary resources to Grand Prix prototype racing. The developmental/race budget is not very high, and the factory personnel allocated from Japan are very limited in number compared to the other manufactures. As opposed to production superbikes, where the gixer has consumed so many zillions of yen in research and development and marketing, and is such a sorted machine, that a generous helping of sponsorship backing a competent team will amount to a very competitive package given a modicum of factory support.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jun 3 2009, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The situation, as I see it, and I may well have the wrong impression, is that they don't divert the necessary resources to Grand Prix prototype racing. The developmental/race budget is not very high, and the factory personnel allocated from Japan are very limited in number compared to the other manufactures. As opposed to production superbikes, where the gixer has consumed so many zillions of yen in research and development and marketing, and is such a sorted machine, that a generous helping of sponsorship backing a competent team will amount to a very competitive package given a modicum of factory support.

agreed, and i have the same impression. just seems likeif you are going to run a motogp team for as long as suzuki has, they should/would attempt to throw some more resources at it to supply a better bike. i mean, if you are going to spend 5 million a year, why not spend 7 and actually produce a podium bike?

(i don't have actual numbers - just throwing a number out).

They were headed in the right direction in 2007, got behind again, and have yet to catch up. The new motor coming sounds like a broken record but damn it that is the missing piece to the puzzle and if they could just crank out a bit more power they'd have it. Honda's original V4 was laughable but now it is coming along. That took how long? Almost 3 years. Suzuki will never be able to match the pace of Honda but they will sooner or later come with the goods.

Great Mugello recap video on motogp.com. I watched it a couple times and when the page refreshed it disappeared. Worth a watch though.

I just got some time to read up on the forum. I guess I need to get a subscription to motogp.com. Sounds like a great race for each of the classes.