MotoGP Valencia Test

This is what you do. You don't come back to talk racing. Only to start ..... Since you and the others left, there's been almost no flaming.
Nuff said.

Keshav said:

This is what you do. You don't come back to talk racing. Only to start ..... Since you and the others left, there's been almost no flaming.
Nuff said.

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Yet I made posts about racing before giving double 2 advice that of course you took out of context and took personal because you are to blame for many members leaving. Why are you so butthurt by my comment? Because you can't stand that you are responsible for turning this forum into a 2 page maximum per thread? Please shut the .... up and stop trying to make people think you are somehow a good person.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Yet I made posts about racing before giving double 2 advice that of course you took out of context and took personal because you are to blame for many members leaving. Why are you so butthurt by my comment? Because you can't stand that you are responsible for turning this forum into a 2 page maximum per thread? Please shut the .... up and stop trying to make people think you are somehow a good person.

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Not that I agree but, remember, it was St Patrick who led the snakes out of Ireland, and he's still considered one of the great saints.

I'm on no crusade to convince anyone of my best qualities. People know me for who I am and nothing you say will change that. Moreover, what you say implies that everyone remaining on the forum is weak-willed and spineless and kowtowing to my demands, which is hugely insulting to everyone on the forum. Whatever makes you think I have such powers of persuasion?

There were four people who made a concerted effort to run me off the forum. One came back, and he and I have become quite good friends and he's even been to my house. I lent him my BMW and we went riding here in the mountains this summer. We remain friends. Care to guess who?

In the interim since the other three left, there's been plenty of new people who have come and stayed. So 3 went, and were replaced with others who know how to play nice with others.

I have disagreed with pretty much everyone on this forum about something at some time, and the discourse has been civil, without the name-calling and insults that you always default to. Is there anyone currently on this forum that I have been rude to? Please be sure to tell Dub all about it. I'm listening....

I totally agree. Miguel Olivera looks like he will be very strong on the Aprilla. I think it is very likely he will be the best rider on an Aprilla next season. As long as the satellite bike is as good as the factory bike.

MdubSTYLIE said:

I totally agree. Miguel Olivera looks like he will be very strong on the Aprilla. I think it is very likely he will be the best rider on an Aprilla next season. As long as the satellite bike is as good as the factory bike.

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It will also be interesting to see how Jack gets on with the KTM. Hopefully KTM brings a better package for 2023.

MdubSTYLIE said:

I totally agree. Miguel Olivera looks like he will be very strong on the Aprilla. I think it is very likely he will be the best rider on an Aprilla next season. As long as the satellite bike is as good as the factory bike.

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IMO - Oliviera may well be the dark horse amongst the title contenders based on initial impressions of that 1 test day

MdubSTYLIE said:

I totally agree. Miguel Olivera looks like he will be very strong on the Aprilla. I think it is very likely he will be the best rider on an Aprilla next season. As long as the satellite bike is as good as the factory bike.

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Yeah that's a good point. Details on exactly what bike RNF will get is not forthcoming but it sounds like at the very least, they will get more support than Yamaha (which isn't hard)

RNF racing and Aprilia’s collaboration will not only include the sale of bikes, but will also include training for engineers, technicians, managers, and riders and signals the brand’s full support to RNF in order to maximize the potential of the Aprilia machines, and the team themselves.

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I'm guessing they may get factory parts a few times a season, or maybe more often if Miguel runs as good as his test form shows. What I want to know is what happens if he trounces Maverick on the factory team?

PRS717 said:

It will also be interesting to see how Jack gets on with the KTM. Hopefully KTM brings a better package for 2023.

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Binder said the new chassis was amazing, but then Oliveira raced with the old chassis in Valencia and finished 5th.

Gaz said:

IMO - Oliviera may well be the dark horse amongst the title contenders based on initial impressions of that 1 test day

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I hope so!

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Gaz said:

IMO - Oliviera may well be the dark horse amongst the title contenders based on initial impressions of that 1 test day

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Careful with predictions based on testing performance. Pol Espargaró seemed like an actual contender before the 2022 season started.

MichaelBolton said:

Careful with predictions based on testing performance. Pol Espargaró seemed like an actual contender before the 2022 season started.

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Absolutley true, but then Oliviera has won races (5 in 4 years in MotoGP across 68 races) already and Pol, well Pol has not done much (8 podiums in 9 years across 154 races) and to be fair, I have never rated him to the level others do, or the level I rate others

Pol has not won a race since 2013, whereas Miguel has won 17 races in that same period)

IMO and may be harsh but there is a massive difference in talent there

Gaz said:

Absolutley true, but then Oliviera has won races (5 in 4 years in MotoGP across 68 races) already and Pol, well Pol has not done much (8 podiums in 9 years across 154 races) and to be fair, I have never rated him to the level others do, or the level I rate others

Pol has not won a race since 2013, whereas Miguel has won 17 races in that same period)

IMO and may be harsh but there is a massive difference in talent there

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I agree with you. I have always considered Oliveira superior to Binder as well given he has won both more and in the dry. I always wondered about KTM’s choice, but apparently he was offered the factory ride ahead of Binder in the first place but decided to serve out his existing contract at Tech 3 KTM with the factory team then going for Binder. I wasn’t aware of that history. Agree about Pol as well, I have considered Aleix to be the better of the brothers all along. Not sure he will be better than Oliveira if the equipment is similar.

MichaelBolton said:

Careful with predictions based on testing performance. Pol Espargaró seemed like an actual contender before the 2022 season started.

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That is because the honda didn't look like hot garbage until the season started on new tires. Honda and yamaha suffered greatly because of the tire chosen for the 2022 season IMO. I hate the single tire rule. I am fine with one tire manufacturer but they need to make tires based on a bikes need. Even if its adding options like hard, medium, and soft carcass along with the rubber everyone uses being the same. These companies spend all this time developing and testing new bikes just to get a different tire thrown at them to start the season. Thats pretty ridiculous to me. One of these years dorna is going to make them use a square tire.

Gaz said:

Absolutley true, but then Oliviera has won races (5 in 4 years in MotoGP across 68 races) already and Pol, well Pol has not done much (8 podiums in 9 years across 154 races) and to be fair, I have never rated him to the level others do, or the level I rate others

Pol has not won a race since 2013, whereas Miguel has won 17 races in that same period)

IMO and may be harsh but there is a massive difference in talent there

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Good stuff Gaz.