MotoGP less exciting.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(muzzy57 @ Aug 25 2007, 08:17 PM) [snapback]86805[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Damn straight brother

I just love bikes & bike racing! And I'm sure that applies to everyone that is a member of this forum... they wouldn't be here otherwise!

As enthusiasts & individuals there will always be disagreements, which is as it should be. But ultimately, provided that the motorcycling world continues to improve, then we all benefit from it...



here here.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Aug 24 2007, 09:32 PM) [snapback]86780[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I just finished watching the Italian round. Man was that exciting. Stoner from pole looks like he has the race in the bag, but then comes
Capirossi, both Ducatis on a drag race through that monster straight. Oh, Melandri battling at the front. All the while, Rossi comes from the back of the grid scrapping with everybody along the way. Rossi wins from way back, and Barros puts a move on the last lap to make the podium. Man, that was exciting.

You know, after further review, it seems to me there were more exciting races this year than dominant "boring" races. I think we sometimes have a short memory and judge the season by what has happened lately.


Hmm.........this is interesting. I'm going to do an analysis.

Qatar--good race imo. Rossi and Stoner battle late, the raw power of the Ducati was fun. Pedrosa was nipping at people's heels. Sucked for Hayden fans.

Jerez - decent. Rossi took the championship lead. Stoner and Pedrosa tied for second. Edwards in 4th. Yamaha looked really good. Lots of suspense being carried into Turkey.

Turkey--complete bomb; tease #1. The downward spiral begins with OJ destroying Pedrosa, Verme, and Edwards. Stoner clears off. Rossi's tires fall apart and everyone braces themselves to revisit the old "Is it Rossi or is it Michelin" argument. Elias puts a silver lining in the cloud with some hot riding. Ducati and Yamaha flip flop as hot manufacturer thanks to Capi coming third.

China--more good rising action. Sparks fly when Elias torpedoes Hayden. Hopper gets first podium of careers. Rossi and Stoner have a pretty entertaining go at things. Hopper even gets by Rossi for a while. New debates rage.

France--more torrential rising action. Wet race with 7 people binning it into retirement. After Hopper gets his first podium, Verme lays the smack down with Suzuki's first 4 stroke win. Nobody cares the race at the front is getting worse. Hayden fans wish they never heard of MotoGP

Mugello--the suspense holds--Rerun of 06. Ducati disappoint AGAIN, Rossi wins AGAIN. WTF Barros is on the podium and Rossi and Stoner are 9 points apart.

Catalunya--more suspense. A great battle between Stoner and Rossi. Pedro in third. The war for 4th place takes shape. Hayden fans load the weapon of their choice.

Donny--even more suspense--Stoner wins Rossi hangs tight. Edwards comes out of nowhere. Verme bags another podium and opens a lead on hopper and Melandri. Hayden fans pull back the hammer.

Assen--pins and needles!!!!!--Stoner takes off early. Rossi tracks him down and wins. Hayden fans throw the gun out the window and don the #1 gear of their choice. Rossi fans rejoice. Racing fans rejoice as the championship race heats up. MotoGP is the pinnacle of all motorsport.

Sachsenring--the premature climax--The fizzle at the end of 2006 is replayed in horror as a slightly desperate Rossi bins it early, and Stoner just cruises around. Similar to Bayliss in 2006, Pedrosa gets his first win (of the season). The legitimacy of Casey's huge lead are called into question b/c of Rossi's poor performance. Hilariously, hate for Hayden is rekindled when the Bridgestones fail and he inherets a somewhat undeserved podium.

Laguna--the kick in the nuts. Hayden and Hopper go down the Andretti hairpin (bad for the race regardless who you want to win). Stoner clears off. The Michelins fall apart. All the old 2006 discussions resume. Arguments about the tire rule rage.

Brno--the snoozefest. Repeat of Laguna. Ducati win by a mile. Suzu in a distant second. Hayden bags a podium, but nobody cares b/c it means nothing. Rossi/Yamaha/Michelin look clueless.

It's been two months since we've seen anything remotely resembling MotoGP (half as long as the off-season). This reminds me more of AMA superbikes with only 1 Yosh Suzuki. I don't know about people on here, but halfway through the off season I'm bored out of my mind when it comes to motorcycle racing.

Something good had better happen or the off-season will start now and last another 7 months. Don't tell anyone, but I'm secretly rooting for Rossi to win the title with only 3 race wins so we can all ask whether or not he is deserving.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Aug 25 2007, 01:59 AM) [snapback]86772[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Wow, now that's a thought. Do you remember that street bike that had a turbo in the late 80s. I think it was a Honda or Kawasaki. Remember they got rid of it cause it kept bucking people off in the corners. Haha, that was great. I think with the technology today, they could harness the power and utilize it on straights or drives out of corners. But I think it would come back to traction control. As of now, for me traction control is a bad word.

Yep, I was reading about it the other week. The insurance companies went nuts.

Like you say, in the modern era, and with the genius that roams the design offices of the MotoGP world, I don't see any reason why turbochargers aren't a viable option. Manufacturers in car racing have got them working to a tee, with very little turbo lag. They'd still be a beast to ride, but people long to see the two strokes again, maybe turbocharged bikes wouldn't be too far off in terms of excitement.

If I was Ezpeleta, Id have the rules like this:

A choice for manufacturers between:
- 800cc Turbocharged with suitable bar limit, or;
- Unlimited capacity, normally aspirated with any number of cylinders

To make sure they dont go crazy
- Limited fuel tank size to push more economical engines (hopefully the same technology can then be used on road bikes)
- Run on biofuel to keep the greenpeace lot happy

To add to that
- Control tyre
- Complete ban on rider aids, including Launch Control and TC (maybe some kind of mandatory system to monitor this)
- Extend race length to about an hour, to make them take care of tyres more and the proposition of trying to pull away from the pack less attractive, hopefully more last lap battles

Theoretically, Itd make for more variation in the championship. Turbocharged bikes would fly on the long straight circuits like Shanghai and Malaysia, but the NA bikes would trounce em on the twisty tracks like Sachsenring. Not far from F1 in the 80's.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Aug 25 2007, 03:48 PM) [snapback]86878[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Hmm.........this is interesting. I'm going to do an analysis.


Haha, Lexi you are hilarious man. You need to post more. Hey, the funny thing is that as you recapped the races, I also went through them in my head. Actually we reached different conclusions at the end. Your recap it seems was to show how "boring" the season has been (I think), but for me it fired me up and thought, damn, lets get the next race on.

BTW, I love your Hayden quips, yeah, it’s been a suicide watch roller coaster ride. Lets hope we can nap a win before the season ends.

Here are the races that I thought were very exciting:
Qatar (beginning of the season)
Jerez (Great battle, Rossi prevails)
Turkey (thanks to Elias)
China (fucken Elias)
France (Guintoli and DePuniet lead a race, Rossi gets mobbed, need I say more)
Mugello (Rossi charges from 26th place to win)
Catalunya (Braw by 1 & 2, Dani ....... out)
Donington (wet races make for nail biters)
Assen (Rossi charges from 30th place, brawls with Stoner)

These I think were exciting by any stretch and I don't see how they could be seen as boring.


That leaves Germany, US, and Czech. Yes these last three were processional, but there were some good battles in mid pack.

12 Rounds and 9 of them were nail biters. I'd say that's a pretty good season. Oh man, we still got 6 rounds left. .... the off-season, lets race year around!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Aug 26 2007, 12:43 AM) [snapback]86881[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Haha, Lexi you are hilarious man. You need to post more. Hey, the funny thing is that as you recapped the races, I also went through them in my head. Actually we reached different conclusions at the end. Your recap it seems was to show how "boring" the season has been (I think), but for me it fired me up and thought, damn, lets get the next race on.

BTW, I love your Hayden quips, yeah, it’s been a suicide watch roller coaster ride. Lets hope we can nap a win before the season ends.

Here are the races that I thought were very exciting:
Qatar (beginning of the season)
Jerez (Great battle, Rossi prevails)
Turkey (thanks to Elias)
China (fucken Elias)
France (Guintoli and DePuniet lead a race, Rossi gets mobbed, need I say more)
Mugello (Rossi charges from 26th place to win)
Catalunya (Braw by 1 & 2, Dani ....... out)
Donington (wet races make for nail biters)
Assen (Rossi charges from 30th place, brawls with Stoner)

These I think were exciting by any stretch and I don't see how they could be seen as boring.
That leaves Germany, US, and Czech. Yes these last three were processional, but there were some good battles in mid pack.

12 Rounds and 9 of them were nail biters. I'd say that's a pretty good season. Oh man, we still got 6 rounds left. .... the off-season, lets race year around!

I simply think it's been great watching Casey sod off into the distance!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Aug 26 2007, 08:48 AM) [snapback]86878[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Hmm.........this is interesting. I'm going to do an analysis.

Qatar--good race imo. Rossi and Stoner battle late, the raw power of the Ducati was fun. Pedrosa was nipping at people's heels. Sucked for Hayden fans.

Jerez - decent. Rossi took the championship lead. Stoner and Pedrosa tied for second. Edwards in 4th. Yamaha looked really good. Lots of suspense being carried into Turkey.

Turkey--complete bomb; tease #1. The downward spiral begins with OJ destroying Pedrosa, Verme, and Edwards. Stoner clears off. Rossi's tires fall apart and everyone braces themselves to revisit the old "Is it Rossi or is it Michelin" argument. Elias puts a silver lining in the cloud with some hot riding. Ducati and Yamaha flip flop as hot manufacturer thanks to Capi coming third.

China--more good rising action. Sparks fly when Elias torpedoes Hayden. Hopper gets first podium of careers. Rossi and Stoner have a pretty entertaining go at things. Hopper even gets by Rossi for a while. New debates rage.

France--more torrential rising action. Wet race with 7 people binning it into retirement. After Hopper gets his first podium, Verme lays the smack down with Suzuki's first 4 stroke win. Nobody cares the race at the front is getting worse. Hayden fans wish they never heard of MotoGP

Mugello--the suspense holds--Rerun of 06. Ducati disappoint AGAIN, Rossi wins AGAIN. WTF Barros is on the podium and Rossi and Stoner are 9 points apart.

Catalunya--more suspense. A great battle between Stoner and Rossi. Pedro in third. The war for 4th place takes shape. Hayden fans load the weapon of their choice.

Donny--even more suspense--Stoner wins Rossi hangs tight. Edwards comes out of nowhere. Verme bags another podium and opens a lead on hopper and Melandri. Hayden fans pull back the hammer.

Assen--pins and needles!!!!!--Stoner takes off early. Rossi tracks him down and wins. Hayden fans throw the gun out the window and don the #1 gear of their choice. Rossi fans rejoice. Racing fans rejoice as the championship race heats up. MotoGP is the pinnacle of all motorsport.

Sachsenring--the premature climax--The fizzle at the end of 2006 is replayed in horror as a slightly desperate Rossi bins it early, and Stoner just cruises around. Similar to Bayliss in 2006, Pedrosa gets his first win (of the season). The legitimacy of Casey's huge lead are called into question b/c of Rossi's poor performance. Hilariously, hate for Hayden is rekindled when the Bridgestones fail and he inherets a somewhat undeserved podium.

Laguna--the kick in the nuts. Hayden and Hopper go down the Andretti hairpin (bad for the race regardless who you want to win). Stoner clears off. The Michelins fall apart. All the old 2006 discussions resume. Arguments about the tire rule rage.

Brno--the snoozefest. Repeat of Laguna. Ducati win by a mile. Suzu in a distant second. Hayden bags a podium, but nobody cares b/c it means nothing. Rossi/Yamaha/Michelin look clueless.

It's been two months since we've seen anything remotely resembling MotoGP (half as long as the off-season). This reminds me more of AMA superbikes with only 1 Yosh Suzuki. I don't know about people on here, but halfway through the off season I'm bored out of my mind when it comes to motorcycle racing.

Something good had better happen or the off-season will start now and last another 7 months. Don't tell anyone, but I'm secretly rooting for Rossi to win the title with only 2 race wins


Lexi, mate... I almost completely agree with your race by race analysis but must side with racejumkie in his overall opinion of the season in that unfortunately it's been the last 3 races in a row that have been the most processional of the year.

As for the 2 month time frame, don't forget that we had a month's holiday in the middle of this that makes it seem longer again

And, well, yeah... admittedly for a stoner fan I have secretly harboured the same enjoyment as Burky & savoured the sight of Casy "doin' a Doohan" the last couple of races! Almost brought a tear to the eye it was so nostalgic...

As for the motoGP doom-sayers, I say fear not as surprises & twists in the tale are sometimes only as far away as the next race... keep the faith!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>QUOTE(drumfu @ Aug 24 2007, 06:58 PM)

it's called launch control. you hold the throttle WFO, pop the clutch and the computer does everything else for you. stoner is no more skilled with starts than a trained monkey. i'm not taking anything away from him or any other rider; i'm just saying that it's a mistake to compliment any rider using launch
i would like to see the whiz kid electronics ditched, i think Honda with there anybody can win a race on our bikes will be true soon if it continues.
remember the time it went wrong. Edwards took out half the grid when he dumped the clutch and the front made a bid for the moon, i think he even run over jezzer. cant remember when or where it was tho.

The thing is, given another season for the riders to adjust to the new engine capacity, new tire rule, new fuel rules, and the stupid traction control . . . they will adjust and find new ways to race competitively. This is not unlike when the Honda's NCR had been a piece of crap, and then the Honda people came up the the "Big Bang" firing sequence to make the NCRs more tractable. For a while, Honda was runing away with everything. Then the other teams brought digital recorders and ran recordings of the NCR through and occiloscope and were able to reproduce Honda's firing sequence. Practially overnight all the 500cc bikes were much more tractable and riders were saying, "Now everybody can race the 500s". It's not so different with traction control. Still I agree that it should be done away with. A big part of the problem is the 800cc displacement. It puts all the emphasis on corner entry rather than corner speed - which makes for a very bad narrowing of choices for lines - which in turn means, very little passing. Hopefully the riders have a season or more to acclimate and find new ways to ride competitively. Tho you never know. Kenny Roberts said in an interview a few months ago that Dorna/FIM were already discussing reducing the displacement to 700 or even 600.
KD

all they need to do is get rid of traction control coz it just is crap on bikes and sort tyres out

I think ALL of you are forgetting that this is the first year that I can remember where ALL the manufacturers have a competitive bike-with the right rider , any of Ducati, Honda, Yamaha ,Suzuki and Kawasaki factory bikes have a realistic chance of winning. I think that this makes this the best season of all from that perspective. Even if it is processional out front in the occasional race , how about what is happening from 5-9th. I just loved watching Vermeulin working his way past DP,Capirossi and Rossi in the last race. In years gone by, if you were a Kawasaki fan or a Suzuki fan, or even a Ducati fan , there was mostly not much to enjoy. You had to be on a Honda, or possibly a Yamaha to have a chance of winning.

Also, there seem to be too many Rossi fans that immediately are negative about the year just because their man is not winning and being made to look second rate. This seems to apply to a lesser extent with Hayden fans.
Catalunya was probably the best race for 10 years FFS!

Drumfu- maybe Stoner is special at starts, Reports I have heard are that he DOESN,T use traction control starts.

Muzzy, I find I am agrreeing with you too much - stop it! haha

......and, some of yu guys have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much spare time on you hands. haha

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bunyip @ Aug 27 2007, 03:38 PM) [snapback]87102[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Catalunya was probably the best race for 10 years FFS!


wow. seriously?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bunyip @ Aug 27 2007, 03:38 PM) [snapback]87102[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Catalunya was probably the best race for 10 years FFS.

How much are Dorna paying you?!

I can think of a handful of races all better than catalunya...........just last year. Mugello, Estoril, Assen, Turkey, Malaysia. All had better last lap passes and more crashes. Good stuff.

Take those rosy shades off. They're killing your memory.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Aug 28 2007, 09:34 AM) [snapback]87114[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
How much are Dorna paying you?!

I can think of a handful of races all better than catalunya...........just last year. Mugello, Estoril, Assen, Turkey, Malaysia. All had better last lap passes and more crashes. Good stuff.

Take those rosy shades off. They're killing your memory.

So are we saying that Moto GP needs last lap overtaking and 'crashes' to be exciting?

Perhaps you need to have raced yourself to appreciate what Casey is doing this year. As I have said before, watching Casey out on his own is a pure pleasure to watch. Also, some of the battles behind him have been awesome.

Please don't say you want more crashes to make Moto GP exciting, or are you a huge fan of NASCAR!!!!!!!!! If you want to see crashes, go watch banger racing! This, Mylexicon, is the highest level of motorcycle racing, and crashes are not really in the script.

Believe me, when you are actually at the circuit, every time Casey comes by a little further ahead, you can't help but just watch in awe!!!

For the record by the way, I'm not a Casey fan. I only see it how it is, and applaud him for his achievements this year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Burky @ Aug 28 2007, 01:54 AM) [snapback]87121[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
So are we saying that Moto GP needs last lap overtaking and 'crashes' to be exciting?

Perhaps you need to have raced yourself to appreciate what Casey is doing this year. As I have said before, watching Casey out on his own is a pure pleasure to watch. Also, some of the battles behind him have been awesome.

Please don't say you want more crashes to make Moto GP exciting, or are you a huge fan of NASCAR!!!!!!!!! If you want to see crashes, go watch banger racing! This, Mylexicon, is the highest level of motorcycle racing, and crashes are not really in the script.

Believe me, when you are actually at the circuit, every time Casey comes by a little further ahead, you can't help but just watch in awe!!!

For the record by the way, I'm not a Casey fan. I only see it how it is, and applaud him for his achievements this year.


The more crashes part was not really serious. Only two of those races had last lap crashes at the front, Hayden was the benefactor in both situations.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Aug 28 2007, 10:05 AM) [snapback]87125[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The more crashes part was not really serious. Only two of those races had last lap crashes at the front, Hayden was the benefactor in both situations.

Oh, well that's OK then!!! lol

Why aren't my smilies working! :-(

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Burky @ Aug 28 2007, 09:54 AM) [snapback]87121[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
So are we saying that Moto GP needs last lap overtaking and 'crashes' to be exciting?

Perhaps you need to have raced yourself to appreciate what Casey is doing this year. As I have said before, watching Casey out on his own is a pure pleasure to watch. Also, some of the battles behind him have been awesome.

Please don't say you want more crashes to make Moto GP exciting, or are you a huge fan of NASCAR!!!!!!!!! If you want to see crashes, go watch banger racing! This, Mylexicon, is the highest level of motorcycle racing, and crashes are not really in the script.

Believe me, when you are actually at the circuit, every time Casey comes by a little further ahead, you can't help but just watch in awe!!!

For the record by the way, I'm not a Casey fan. I only see it how it is, and applaud him for his achievements this year.

yup i agree with pretty much all of that.
i like it when they save it, remember the famous clip of mamola refusing to let go . and doohan picking the bike up from a low side with his knee.
normally its people who just watch the odd race that love the crashes not proper fans who have followed the sport and riders for years or new comers who just look in awe at these racers earning there living so try to find out more info to fuel there new addiction so frequent forums like this, i was surprised to read a comment like this here until i saw who posted it.

I think theres alot of hate for casey but not because hes going away at the front some races. If he didn't have the speed advantage or the no1 tyres right now and was still going away infront i would drop my jaw and praise him.

but he was beaten at Mugello by Barros on the customer Desmo so i dunno.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ThePhorest @ Aug 29 2007, 04:42 AM) [snapback]87349[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>


I guess what really makes it exciting for me is people charging for positions at the front. We have had very little of that this season.

that good to hear coming from an american, mabe the 125's and 250's will be of interest in your country after all, its some of the closest racing there is

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Aug 25 2007, 11:48 PM) [snapback]86878[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>


Something good had better happen or the off-season will start now and last another 7 months. Don't tell anyone, but I'm secretly rooting for Rossi to win the title with only 3 race wins so we can all ask whether or not he is deserving.



Even if that did happen which i hope it does certain people would still say he wasnt deserving