MotoGP less exciting.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CSCVAW @ Sep 6 2007, 05:54 AM) [snapback]89199[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
And the Michelins as the "only" tyre in motoGP!! and Rossi the only rider in motoGP...what else????...250 350 450 550 600 or 700's???...

You Have to be Kidding Me!!!...

If it ...”Aint BROKE”!!!...Don’t fix it!!!...

The 800's are perfectly FINE!!!...or but some are sooo crossed and pissed off with the 800’s the Michelins....but you should be ‘Pissed Off with their riders!!!.... .

Thank You Very Much!!! ...excuses...excuses!!!

but steve your only looking at it from one point of view (stoner fans ) thats called bias. i think everybody except the for mentioned is having an issue here so there is clearly a problem that needs fixing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 6 2007, 09:05 PM) [snapback]89270[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
but steve your only looking at it from one point of view (stoner fans ) thats called bias. i think everybody except the for mentioned is having an issue here so there is clearly a problem that needs fixing.


Roge what problem???...oh Lets do a handicap...you know like in horse racing!!! lets put more weight on Danny, Casey or whoever!!! Lets limit the height, the ability so that the Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki & the Michelins will win every race!!!...what a joke when the Bridgestone's came into racing everybody just said oh well there just starting out and they don’t have a chance!!!...But noe that the Bridgestone’s are winning the rules are 'Bent, Not Fair etc etc!!!)...come on we all comply with certain rules in life and if the rules are changed “WE HAVE TO CHANGE”!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CSCVAW @ Sep 6 2007, 12:05 PM) [snapback]89269[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
And I'm NO einstein smart arse!!!...but that is what I feel and I tell it like it is...no diplomacy here or holding back on the inevitable!!! skid!!!
I had actually typed smart arse but changed it to einstein in case you took it the wrong way. no drama, I do enjoy your posts. Well, some of 'em. Your pal <strike>smart arse</strike> skid!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 6 2007, 12:05 PM) [snapback]89270[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
but steve your only looking at it from one point of view (stoner fans ) thats called bias. i think everybody except the for mentioned is having an issue here so there is clearly a problem that needs fixing.
And there's looking at it from the other point of view, the point of view of those that aren't winning under current regs, which could be called bias also. It really doesn't matter that it's Stoner, if it was Melandri or Capirossi, or any other Bridgestone rider leading the points table, it wouldn't make any difference to the basic argument.

On one hand there's the fan's point of view, which is to some extent valid in that some of the races this year have turned out to be not quite as exciting as everyone would like. Being realistic racing isn’t always like that, sometimes one rider comes to dominate in any sport. Doohan did it, Rossi did it. I never once felt the urge then to turn off the TV or conclude that the rules were unfair and I don’t feel that way now but that’s just me.

On the other hand there are the voices rallying behind Rossi's and Michelin's cries that the rules are not fair and must be changed. If any particular Michelin rider was running away with the title, more specifically Rossi, the rules would of course be deemed fair and square, that Bridgstone haven't quite got there yet and that they probably will eventually. But Bridgestone have very much got there and within a set of rules that all the knowledgeable gentlemen of Michelin, Dunlop and Bridgestone agreed would be fair, way before the first race in Qatar. Indeed, and this is a hugely important aspect, the move to the current rules was a very brave one by Bridgestone, given their past poor form at many tracks. Making Michelin’s public cries that the current situation is unfair even more unsporting.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CSCVAW @ Sep 6 2007, 12:15 PM) [snapback]89275[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Roge what problem???...oh Lets do a handicap...you know like in horse racing!!! lets put more weight on Danny, Casey or whoever!!! Lets limit the height, the ability so that the Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki & the Michelins will win every race!!!...what a joke when the Bridgestone's came into racing everybody just said oh well there just starting out and they don’t have a chance!!!...But noe that the Bridgestone’s are winning the rules are 'Bent, Not Fair etc etc!!!)...come on we all comply with certain rules in life and if the rules are changed “WE HAVE TO CHANGE”!!!

errrm, wtf are you smoking ?
no one said bridgstone had no chance at the begining ! infact it was more like ".... michelin better watch out" bridgestone is a far bigger company than michelin.
do you think its only rossi with tyre problems ? i even heard that some of the bridgestone runners have problems ,so makes you wonder if casey is getting something different from the others like you accused rossi of getting a while back.
you say theres no problems yet we have plenty of threads with people saying the racing is ....., sounds like a problem to me.
stop looking at your bum chum and look at the bigger picture for once.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 6 2007, 01:12 PM) [snapback]89285[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>the racing is shitespoken like a true fan there rog

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Sep 6 2007, 10:07 PM) [snapback]89283[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
And there's looking at it from the other point of view, the point of view of those that aren't winning under current regs, which could be called bias also. It really doesn't matter that it's Stoner, if it was Melandri or Capirossi, or any other Bridgestone rider leading the points table, it wouldn't make any difference to the basic argument.

On one hand there's the fan's point of view, which is to some extent valid in that some of the races this year have turned out to be not quite as exciting as everyone would like. Being realistic racing isn’t always like that, sometimes one rider comes to dominate in any sport. Doohan did it, Rossi did it. I never once felt the urge then to turn off the TV or conclude that the rules were unfair and I don’t feel that way now but that’s just me.

On the other hand there are the voices rallying behind Rossi's and Michelin's cries that the rules are not fair and must be changed. If any particular Michelin rider was running away with the title, more specifically Rossi, the rules would of course be deemed fair and square, that Bridgstone haven't quite got there yet and that they probably will eventually. But Bridgestone have very much got there and within a set of rules that all the knowledgeable gentlemen of Michelin, Dunlop and Bridgestone agreed would be fair, way before the first race in Qatar. Indeed, and this is a hugely important aspect, the move to the current rules was a very brave one by Bridgestone, given their past poor form at many tracks. Making Michelin’s public cries that the current situation is unfair even more unsporting.


Absolutely agree!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Sep 6 2007, 01:17 PM) [snapback]89286[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
spoken like a true fan there rog

i said "we have plenty of threads with people saying the racing is .....," didn't say i shared that opinion. but if dorna want's to make motogp more popular to the masses then they must address why people are saying this.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Sep 6 2007, 10:07 PM) [snapback]89283[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
And there's looking at it from the other point of view, the point of view of those that aren't winning under current regs, which could be called bias also. It really doesn't matter that it's Stoner, if it was Melandri or Capirossi, or any other Bridgestone rider leading the points table, it wouldn't make any difference to the basic argument.

On one hand there's the fan's point of view, which is to some extent valid in that some of the races this year have turned out to be not quite as exciting as everyone would like. Being realistic racing isn’t always like that, sometimes one rider comes to dominate in any sport. Doohan did it, Rossi did it. I never once felt the urge then to turn off the TV or conclude that the rules were unfair and I don’t feel that way now but that’s just me.

On the other hand there are the voices rallying behind Rossi's and Michelin's cries that the rules are not fair and must be changed. If any particular Michelin rider was running away with the title, more specifically Rossi, the rules would of course be deemed fair and square, that Bridgstone haven't quite got there yet and that they probably will eventually. But Bridgestone have very much got there and within a set of rules that all the knowledgeable gentlemen of Michelin, Dunlop and Bridgestone agreed would be fair, way before the first race in Qatar. Indeed, and this is a hugely important aspect, the move to the current rules was a very brave one by Bridgestone, given their past poor form at many tracks. Making Michelin’s public cries that the current situation is unfair even more unsporting.


Gotta say that this gentlemen thinks very much along the same lines as myself...

On another thread there's a fantasy universe where Casey isn't in MotoGP in 2007... when you read it it makes an interesting statement!

Bottom line is that people have been very used to Honda & Yamaha riders doing all the winning on their suitably supplied Michelin tyres for a very long time.

Now along comes a young upstart who had quite a few race crashes in his debut year in MotoGP & wasn't Ducati's first choice as a rider for 2007, riding on what up until this year many considered a non title threatening machine equipped with 2nd rate rubber... & the package gels into a winning combination (much to the consternation of many who would prefer it other wise), and starts to kick serious ...!

What more does the poor kid have to do to prove himself this year???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 6 2007, 01:41 PM) [snapback]89293[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i said "we have plenty of threads with people saying the racing is .....," didn't say i shared that opinion. but if dorna want's to make motogp more popular to the masses then they must address why people are saying this.
Ok I didn't quote your entire sentence rog and for that I apologise. It did sound like your were echoing that opinion though. I for one do not think the racing is ..... this year, far from it. And just because Stoner ran away with the last couple of races I don't think motoGP fans are going to be putting their boots into their TV screens either. I can understand Rossi fans being disheartened but it doesn't mean that everyone else will switch off.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Sep 5 2007, 01:26 PM) [snapback]89010[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Makes total sense. 600 or 700 prototypes, without traction OR launch control, and with a lower weight limit ( oooooh, getting twitchy and mean and nasty like GP bikes are supposed to be ) as the main event. But with 250 singles or 450 twins to replace the support classes, with regulations to keep costs to a minimum and grids bursting. Sounds mouthwatering.

There`s a thread on here somewhere that covers this in more depth for folk who want to study a little more into it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Sep 6 2007, 04:04 PM) [snapback]89328[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Ok I didn't quote your entire sentence rog and for that I apologise. It did sound like your were echoing that opinion though. I for one do not think the racing is ..... this year, far from it. And just because Stoner ran away with the last couple of races I don't think motoGP fans are going to be putting their boots into their TV screens either. I can understand Rossi fans being disheartened but it doesn't mean that everyone else will switch off.

no worrys mate,
ive been following the sport long enough to no that fans have said the same when rossi dominated and also doohan. i think the blame is with the tv producers. there is some great racing going on but the camera is stuck on either stoner or rossi. i think they need to show more of the racing throughout the field rather than just the select few, esp if they want to promote it to the masses. its tricky because the race leaders deserve as much coverage as they get but newcomers are finding it boring and thats a fact.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DRILL666 @ Sep 6 2007, 04:09 PM) [snapback]89330[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
There`s a thread on here somewhere that covers this in more depth for folk who want to study a little more into it.
where drill? linky? ok I'm a lazy .......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(muzzy57 @ Sep 6 2007, 06:08 AM) [snapback]89298[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>


What more does the poor kid have to do to prove himself this year???



see this is what happens everytime... the argument gets off track.

NOBODY is saying that Casey HASN'T proved himself... we are all saying that the racing sucks this year. the two points are exclusive. Casey could be having a great year with the exact same # of victories, but the racing could still be exciting.

Everybody keeps missing the point.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(drumfu @ Sep 7 2007, 08:40 AM) [snapback]89419[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
see this is what happens everytime... the argument gets off track.

NOBODY is saying that Casey HASN'T proved himself... we are all saying that the racing sucks this year. the two points are exclusive. Casey could be having a great year with the exact same # of victories, but the racing could still be exciting.

Everybody keeps missing the point.


OK, your point is taken too... but the 2 issues are so often linked on here that it's beginning to frustrate my sense of fairness

What I was trying to say was that Casey came into 2007 with nobody (including myself) expecting him to get anywhere near winning the championship and now here we are at this place in the season & he's been giving a masterclass lesson to the best riders in the world and all I hear is complaints about the (lack of) closeness of the racing.

I agree... close racing is fantastic to watch, but you are never going to always have a level playing field ALL of the time. 2007 happens to be one of the not so exciting viewing years.

With no more rule changes I suspect that next years racing will be completely different as all the teams continue to develop their respective packages...