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I believe the quitter label is the least debatable since it is a irrefutable fact that he....well, quit

In your world JKD, are all athletes who retire quitters (Schwantz, Doohan, Mamola, Lawson etc)?

There is no mandate, law, bylaw or any aspect of sport that says that an athlete must compete until a certain age so one cannot say that he 'quit to early' as one person's early is another's to late.

If you feel that he left the sport to early than that is actually your issue and in many ways shows that you may feel as if you have missed out on something special and thus, you may well be a closet fan, just that you are still hiding away in that closet.
 
If you say, won the lottery and never had to work another day in your life. Are you saying you would carry on working a job you don't like just to say "I ain't no quitter' than to retire and enjoy a life of never having to work again?

He chose to retire because he didn't enjoy what he was doing anymore. Hundreds of people make the same choice every day.


And millions more aim to do it but financially are unable.

Stoner (along with many other athletes) use their attributes to their benefit, to earn money and become financially comfortable enough to have a solid grounding for life, living the dream if you will.

However for some, the though of another person living the dream whilst they are still unable to achieve that aim is unpalatable. Call it jealousy, call it tall poppy, call it what ever we want, I know many that call it sad.
 
If you say, won the lottery and never had to work another day in your life. Are you saying you would carry on working a job you don't like just to say "I ain't no quitter' than to retire and enjoy a life of never having to work again?

He chose to retire because he didn't enjoy what he was doing anymore. Hundreds of people make the same choice every day.

Hundrends of professional athletes?
 
Hundrends of professional athletes?

What's the difference between a Professional Cook and a Professional Athlete? They are both paid to do a job, and as far as I'm concerned a Pro Athlete doesn't have to stay in a sport just to satisfy their fans.

Michael Jordan retired at the top of his game, along with Rocky Marciano, Bjorn Borg, the latter retiring because 'his heart was no longer in the sport'...History remembers these 3 as anything but quitters.

Also, you failed to answer my question. Would you continue in your job if you had the means to live out the rest of your life without needing to earn another penny?
 
In your world JKD, are all athletes who retire quitters (Schwantz, Doohan, Mamola, Lawson etc)?

There is no mandate, law, bylaw or any aspect of sport that says that an athlete must compete until a certain age so one cannot say that he 'quit to early' as one person's early is another's to late.

If you feel that he left the sport to early than that is actually your issue and in many ways shows that you may feel as if you have missed out on something special and thus, you may well be a closet fan, just that you are still hiding away in that closet.

I don't have an informed opinion on that generation. I didnt start watching until 01 or so.
Working class scrubs like ourselves and professional athletes are not a fair comparison. Its ridiculous to compare the two. I didn't spend every waking moment as a kid dreaming about hammering a nail into a 2"x4". There's no world championship for cubicle dwellers. Our careers are largely there for providing sustenance. Most people just get by on a menial job and would certainly quit given the financial opportunity.
It is a very very minor segment of the human population that is fortunate enough to make a living as a professional athlete, movie or rock star. It is also a very very minor segment of those people who up and quit their elite profession. Lets not try to paint what they do as anything other then what they did. Quit.
Ive said this before. Ryan Villopoto is my all time favorite rider. He left at an earlier age then Stoner. He's a quitter and much like Stoner quit during his last year while he was still cashing his Monster and Kawasaki checks
 
And millions more aim to do it but financially are unable.

Stoner (along with many other athletes) use their attributes to their benefit, to earn money and become financially comfortable enough to have a solid grounding for life, living the dream if you will.

However for some, the though of another person living the dream whilst they are still unable to achieve that aim is unpalatable. Call it jealousy, call it tall poppy, call it what ever we want, I know many that call it sad.

I heard on a Soupkast episode fairly recently that Maverick Vinales has the intention of winning a title and once he is financially secure, leaving the sport. Whether that will happen of course is another matter.
 
Plenty of athletes retire because they're not enjoying it anymore. They then go on to do said sport as a hobby after a small break because they still love playing the sport.

I used to box professionally admittedly not at a high level, but I got over it. The same thing everyday push your body to breaking point everyday, yes winning makes it worth it but it's still not always enjoyable. I ended up making the switch to MMA because I hated training the same .... everyday and I loved it, though for a while I refused to box. Eventually I started enjoying working on my boxing again and remembered why I enjoyed it so much. That's without a huge amount of outside pressure and being obligated to do things I hate with the he media etc so it's easy for me to see why Casey called it a day.
 
What's the difference between a Professional Cook and a Professional Athlete? They are both paid to do a job, and as far as I'm concerned a Pro Athlete doesn't have to stay in a sport just to satisfy their fans.

Michael Jordan retired at the top of his game, along with Rocky Marciano, Bjorn Borg, the latter retiring because 'his heart was no longer in the sport'...History remembers these 3 as anything but quitters.

Also, you failed to answer my question. Would you continue in your job if you had the means to live out the rest of your life without needing to earn another penny?

MJ. Haha. Dude wouldnt quit. Do your homework
 
He returned to the minor leagues, but quit the NBA in 1993 aged 30. He did make a return yes but the fact is that statement is correct. Plus I named two other people in that post who DID quit for good.

You make some good points, some of which I agree with but the point is I don't suppose any of these athletes are losing sleep over what people think of them retiring young.
 
I believe the quitter label is the least debatable since it is a irrefutable fact that he....well, quit

I personally came to a similar point at a similar age to Stoner, obviously on a much less exalted stage. I was in a position of virtually being guaranteed what I had always aspired to in advance of most if not all my peers, many of whom eventually greatly exceeded me admittedly, and suddenly realised I actually didn't enjoy what I was doing. As I also said, someone quite close to me just retired from a multimillion dollar per year job because she was tired of doing it.

We all perhaps don't understand what you are on about, but you similarly don't get our (or Stoner's) position. One thing you are completely wrong about is that the likes of JPS and me are secretly deeply unhappy about him retiring. I and others certainly miss watching him race, but pretty well all his true fans are happy for him to have made his own choice about his own life, it is those who despised him who were and still seem to be miffed about that choice. He actually retired when leading the championship as defending champion, with Honda's best ever contract offer in his back pocket, having really wanted to retire at the end of 2011 before being dissuaded by Mr Nakamoto. His retirement very definitely didn't involve fear of any current competitors, and in particular not of Rossi who was then languishing at Ducati proving that pretty much every criticism made of Stoner while he was at Ducati was completely incorrect. Perhaps he should have been afraid of Marquez for the future, but I see no evidence that he was.

He pretty much said what JL and MM have said in regard to their booing, that a significant proportion of then current MotoGP fans are mindless and similar to hooligan soccer fans, with the difference that GP bike riders are actually risking their lives. He very specifically commented about that element of the MotoGP fanbase, directly saying such "fans" of the sport were back to their usual backbiting only weeks after Marco Simoncelli's death, and if he decided that continuing to prove such people wrong was insufficient motive to keep riding imo he made a mature decision. He also deplored the circus into which Dorna, and I guess by implication Rossi and that element of his fandom, had transformed the sport, and subsequent events have hardly proved him incorrect, again imo.

I actually don't have a problem with you in general and don't classify you with the soccer hooligan Rossi fans, and unlike them I don't doubt you dislike him for your own reasons rather than because of his unfortunate habit of beating Rossi. I got a little annoyed with a post of yours which I think was on the other thread in which you condemned someone for being a formulaic Rossi basher, hardly from a position of strength I would have thought given you are a formulaic Stoner basher as this thread demonstrates.
 
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I don't have an informed opinion on that generation. I didnt start watching until 01 or so.
Working class scrubs like ourselves and professional athletes are not a fair comparison. Its ridiculous to compare the two. I didn't spend every waking moment as a kid dreaming about hammering a nail into a 2"x4". There's no world championship for cubicle dwellers. Our careers are largely there for providing sustenance. Most people just get by on a menial job and would certainly quit given the financial opportunity.
It is a very very minor segment of the human population that is fortunate enough to make a living as a professional athlete, movie or rock star. It is also a very very minor segment of those people who up and quit their elite profession. Lets not try to paint what they do as anything other then what they did. Quit.
Ive said this before. Ryan Villopoto is my all time favorite rider. He left at an earlier age then Stoner. He's a quitter and much like Stoner quit during his last year while he was still cashing his Monster and Kawasaki checks

I know what you mean, most people in society would kill to be a professional athlete, rock star or movie star for a living and look at these people with envy. When you see someone with a talent and opportunity you would kill for just quit or retire, its very hard to understand their logic from outside perspective.

Its rare but it does happen, also with actors and singers. Its different for an athlete thought as they have an expiry date compared to many performers.

He got into racing as a child, and strived to win and succeed and aimed for the top. He probably didn't really know what being at the top was like when he was working his way up to it, things always look different when looking from the outside in. I don't think his motivation as a child was to race and be rich, he probably just enjoyed motorcycles and winning. His efforts and talent paid off and he got to the top and succeeded. After doing it for a while maybe he just didn't enjoy competing at such a high level as he thought he would. He did it for long enough to get a good taste for it, apart from his stint in V8 supercars and a brief Suzuka 8 hour apperance he hasn't really competed in any other racing series since.

As much as he is talented and still physically able to compete, maybe he just doesn't enjoy competing for a living. If his heart isn't in it, makes things much harder to stay motivated, combine that with the fact he doesn't have financial obligations to keep him there. Who can blame him, its his choice after all. Rossi loves competing thats why he has stuck at it for so long, I doubt his motivations are financial either.
 
I personally came to a similar point at a similar age to Stoner, obviously on a much less exalted stage. I was in a position of virtually being guaranteed what I had always aspired to in advance of most if not all my peers, many of whom eventually greatly exceeded me admittedly, and suddenly realised I actually didn't enjoy what I was doing. As I also said, someone quite close to me just retired from a multimillion dollar per year job because she was tired of doing it.

We all perhaps don't understand what you are on about, but you similarly don't get our (or Stoner's) position). One thing you are completely wrong about is that the likes of JPS and me are secretly deeply unhappy about him retiring. I and others certainly miss watching him race, but pretty well all his true fans are happy for him to have made his own choice about his own life, it is those who despised him who were and still seem to be miffed about that choice. He actually retired when leading the championship as defending champion, with Honda's best ever contract offer in his back pocket, having really wanted to retire at the end of 2011 before being dissuaded by Mr Nakamoto. His retirement very definitely didn't involve fear of any current competitors, and in particular not of Rossi who was then languishing at Ducati proving that pretty much every criticism made of Stoner while he was at Ducati was completely incorrect. Perhaps he should have been afraid of Marquez for the future, but I see no evidence that he was.

He pretty much said what JL and MM have said in regard to their booing, that a significant proportion of then current MotoGP fans are mindless and similar to hooligan soccer fans, with the difference that GP bike riders are actually risking their lives. He very specifically commented about that element of the MotoGP fanbase, directly saying such "fans" of the sport were back to their usual backbiting only weeks after Marco Simoncelli's death, and if he decided that continuing to prove such people wrong was insufficient motive to keep riding imp he made a mature decision. He also deplored the circus into which Dorna, and I guess by implication Rossi and that element of his fandom, had transformed the sport, and subsequent events have hardly proved him incorrect, again imo.

I actually don't have a problem with you in general and don't classify you with the soccer hooligan Rossi fans, and unlike them I don't doubt you dislike him for your own reasons rather than because of his unfortunate habit of beating Rossi. I got a little annoyed with a post of yours which I think was on the other thread in which you condemned someone for being a formulaic Rossi basher, hardly from a position of strength I would have thought given you are a formulaic Stoner basher as this thread demonstrates.

Angry Geos a ..... Im just testing his mental toughness.
I prefer to think of myself as a Stoner truther. I cant stand what I see to be blind idolatry of a perceived deity, and I honestly believe that most people that worship him only do so because of their hatred for Rossi. I think your reasons are valid,but just about everyone on this thread who has rebutted me, spends much of their time professing their hate for rossi
 
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Let's not forget that Casey had spent most of his adult life on the road, some of which was in quite squalid conditions until he made it big. The fact he had a young family being dragged along and him having a nasty ankle injury in 2012 could well have steeled his resolve to retire when he did, to settle down and be a dad and husband.
The money he'd earned made it possible to do this and place roots in his country of origin.
 
I know what you mean, most people in society would kill to be a professional athlete, rock star or movie star for a living and look at these people with envy. When you see someone with a talent and opportunity you would kill for just quit or retire, its very hard to understand their logic from outside perspective.

Its rare but it does happen, also with actors and singers. Its different for an athlete thought as they have an expiry date compared to many performers.

He got into racing as a child, and strived to win and succeed and aimed for the top. He probably didn't really know what being at the top was like when he was working his way up to it, things always look different when looking from the outside in. I don't think his motivation as a child was to race and be rich, he probably just enjoyed motorcycles and winning. His efforts and talent paid off and he got to the top and succeeded. After doing it for a while maybe he just didn't enjoy competing at such a high level as he thought he would. He did it for long enough to get a good taste for it, apart from his stint in V8 supercars and a brief Suzuka 8 hour apperance he hasn't really competed in any other racing series since.

As much as he is talented and still physically able to compete, maybe he just doesn't enjoy competing for a living. If his heart isn't in it, makes things much harder to stay motivated, combine that with the fact he doesn't have financial obligations to keep him there. Who can blame him, its his choice after all. Rossi loves competing thats why he has stuck at it for so long, I doubt his motivations are financial either.

Thats the one thing he loved and missed when he left. What he hated was Dorna, Rossi, Dorna enabling Rossi,Dorna disabling him, reporters, and sponsor commitments.He hated everything about GP EXCEPT the competition
 
He returned to the minor leagues, but quit the NBA in 1993 aged 30. He did make a return yes but the fact is that statement is correct. Plus I named two other people in that post who DID quit for good.

You make some good points, some of which I agree with but the point is I don't suppose any of these athletes are losing sleep over what people think of them retiring young.

Those close to the situation say Jordan was very quietly suspended from the NBA for gambling. Instead of banishing the face of the league like baseball did to Rose for gambling, they concocted the retirement story, he went and ...... off as a sideshow in minor league baseball and returned to the NBA when his suspension was lifted. He is a self professed addicted gambler.
 
Thats the one thing he loved and missed when he left. What he hated was Dorna, Rossi, Dorna enabling Rossi,Dorna disabling him, reporters, and sponsor commitments.He hated everything about GP EXCEPT the competition

Right or wrong, dealing with all those things are part of competing in MotoGP unfortunately.
 
Those close to the situation say Jordan was very quietly suspended from the NBA for gambling. Instead of banishing the face of the league like baseball did to Rose for gambling, they concocted the retirement story, he went and ...... off as a sideshow in minor league baseball and returned to the NBA when his suspension was lifted. He is a self professed addicted gambler.

Never heard that, but his gambling habits are legendary. The story behind his initial retirement was odd to say the least
 

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