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Bagnaia fell down yet again. I don't think he's elite. He won a title but he's on the top works bike in the field and he can't keep it on 2 wheels.

Jorge Martin is only 13 points behind. The fight is on. Go Martin !
I've said it before, he's being flattered by the pace of the Ducati and hindered rivals. He has no close FACTORY rivals. No way would he be winning titles against Marc or Fabio on a competitive bike imo.
Fixed that for you. I don't expect anything different from someone who didn't take responsibility for drunk driving.
Prosecco Pecco?
 
He seems to say that a lot. I believe he said his crash at COTA wasn't his fault. Okay then, whose fault was it?
He's said he doesn't feel the "limit" on this bike. Whether that's a thing endemic to Ducati or his problem, is anyone's guess, but data certainly supports the notion that Duc riders crash a lot, the past year was a total crashfest for them, not only Pecco. It could be a combo, Ducs could be unpredictable in their limit and Pecco be worse than the other Duc riders at being able to tell the limit. Also let's remember the Michelin tires are ......., riders have complained since 2016 that they don't feel the limit with the front, and the issue might be exacerbated by the unholy combination of aero, ride-height devices and now tire pressure sensors.
 
Well, I guess Pecco wasn't playing the long game, and he was indeed too worried about Martin and Bezzechi stealing the momentum heading into the home stretch.

Marco's win was perhaps the most predictable win of the season. He was much faster than everyone on Saturday, and he merely needed to survive the first couple of turns and he was well on his way. Fabio scoring a podium was not something I had on my bingo card, and it was a really impressive result from Yamaha. Morbidelli had a decent top 10 as well. I'm not sure Castrol were too enthused to have their livery running around at the back of the grid.

Not much too say about the race. Sad for Marc. It would have been interesting to see his pace over the race distance. Mav seems to have found the reverse gear again, and Aprilia as a whole looked quite shabby. Hats off to Mir for a top 5 and hanging with Marc for a few laps. Maybe this hard rear tire is the solution to MotoGP's problems. The racing was boring, but at least the manufacturers have some semblance of parity, which is only important because parity seems to have been artificially vanquished.

Off track, the lack of public criticism by Ducati for Martin shows that Jorge is rising through the ranks of the Ducati nobility. Perhaps Ducati are already looking to replace Bastianini, which would make him another casualty of the #2 seat at Ducati. We'll see what the future holds, but it's not looking good. Can't allow your team to plummet in the standings because the #2 rider isn't putting up any points, injury or not.
 
I know Pecco has said on some occasions that he didn’t do anything wrong. At first I also indignantly said to myself he should grow up.

However, now after several big highsides at speed from several riders, I am coming to the conclusion that the aero/downforce combination on these bikes seems to make things unpredictable In certain conditions like wind/traffic/turbulence.

Another chorus for aero and downforce to be written out of the rule book. Isn’t there still a rider’s group that could force the issue in the name of safety? Surely Gigi can think of something else to gain an advantage.

It has to be really unnerving for things to let go suddenly and seemingly with no warning.
 
I know Pecco has said on some occasions that he didn’t do anything wrong. At first I also indignantly said to myself he should grow up.

However, now after several big highsides at speed from several riders, I am coming to the conclusion that the aero/downforce combination on these bikes seems to make things unpredictable In certain conditions like wind/traffic/turbulence.

Another chorus for aero and downforce to be written out of the rule book. Isn’t there still a rider’s group that could force the issue in the name of safety? Surely Gigi can think of something else to gain an advantage.

It has to be really unnerving for things to let go suddenly and seemingly with no warning.
It is the aero and the tires Imo as has been said. That massive highside Bagnaia had is exactly what the electrickery was supposed to prevent, and had been successful in removing from the sport for most of the last decade.

I had forgotten but Michelin brought a hard carcass tire for this round, which someone elsewhere said may have helped Honda. The guys with the extreme riding styles have sometimes had a tire preference which doesn’t necessarily suit the general field, Stoner needed a hard carcass tire, and Jorge’s butter hammer thing worked best with a particular tyre as well , and both were affected by tyre withdrawals, whether or not this was the aim.
 
It is the aero and the tires Imo as has been said. That massive highside Bagnaia had is exactly what the electrickery was supposed to prevent, and had been successful in removing from the sport for most of the last decade.

I had forgotten but Michelin brought a hard carcass tire for this round, which someone elsewhere said may have helped Honda. The guys with the extreme riding styles have sometimes had a tire preference which doesn’t necessarily suit the general field, Stoner needed a hard carcass tire, and Jorge’s butter hammer thing worked best with a particular tyre as well , and both were affected by tyre withdrawals, whether or not this was the aim.
The ducatis problem use to be random crashes without warning. It seems to me the aero and ride height are what allowed them to get their very powerful bike under control. With the last step being the harder carcass to allow the heavy braking load. Pecco's bike looked unstable the entire race. I have noticed that when this is the case he tends to make an error then claims to not know what happened. He doesn't seem as smooth on the throttle and brakes as other riders. So when he is trying to push a little harder is when he tends to bin it.

As for what allowed honda and yamaha to have a better race I tend to give the credit to the riders. Someone said the cream rises to the top on new circuits and I tend to agree. Marc, Fabio, and Mir are 3 of the best riders on the grid, I think they made the difference. Marc even said as much after qualifying.

 
Hot take from the Race podcast. Bagnaia has 16 grand prix wins. And ONE of them happened outside of Europe. Bagnaia gets his wins in the European season. And that's over.

He has a real chance of losing this title
 
Hot take from the Race podcast. Bagnaia has 16 grand prix wins. And ONE of them happened outside of Europe. Bagnaia gets his wins in the European season. And that's over.

He has a real chance of losing this title
Kind of a misleading stat. He's been in MotoGP for a few years, and 2020/21 were mostly raced on European tracks because of the pandemic. His results since getting on the factory bike aren't that bad: a 2nd place in COTA in 2021, podiums in Thailand and Australia in 2022 (apart from the aforementioned win in Malaysia). I think he needs to focus on getting podiums and that will be enough, the satellite bikes always struggle with continued consistency. Martín and Bezz will have a few stinkers probably. Obviously, the problem is that Pecco should be told to stay on the bike and not crash it for fun to begin with. That's simple advice, but it's one Quartararo didn't want to hear in key moments of 2022 when he just needed to bring the bike through the finish line.

I think the biggest difference with the new crop of gen-Z stars vs the old one is that the former lack long term thinking. Rossi, Lorenzo or Márquez would've won the 2022 championship if they were on Fabio's shoes. Let's see if Pecco doesn't commit the same mistakes.
 
I know Pecco has said on some occasions that he didn’t do anything wrong. At first I also indignantly said to myself he should grow up.

However, now after several big highsides at speed from several riders, I am coming to the conclusion that the aero/downforce combination on these bikes seems to make things unpredictable In certain conditions like wind/traffic/turbulence.

Another chorus for aero and downforce to be written out of the rule book. Isn’t there still a rider’s group that could force the issue in the name of safety? Surely Gigi can think of something else to gain an advantage.

It has to be really unnerving for things to let go suddenly and seemingly with no warning.
It is the aero and the tires Imo as has been said. That massive highside Bagnaia had is exactly what the electrickery was supposed to prevent, and had been successful in removing from the sport for most of the last decade.

I had forgotten but the hey brought a hard carcass tire for this round, which someone said may have helped Honda. The guys with the extreme riding styles have sometimes had a tire preference which doesn’t necessarily suit the general field, Stoner needed a hard carcass tire, and Jorge’s butter hammer thing work best with a particular tyre as well , and both were affected by tyre withdrawals, whether or not this was tgecaim
The ducatis problem use to be random crashes without warning. It seems to me the aero and ride height are what allowed them to get their very powerful bike under control. With the last step being the harder carcass to allow the heavy braking load. Pecco's bike looked unstable the entire race. I have noticed that when this is the case he tends to make an error then claims to not know what happened. He doesn't seem as smooth on the throttle and brakes as other riders. So when he is trying to push a little harder is when he tends to bin it.

As for what allowed honda and yamaha to have a better race I tend to give the credit to the riders. Someone said the cream rises to the top on new circuits and I tend to agree. Marc, Fabio, and Mir are 3 of the best riders on the grid, I think they made the difference. Marc even said as much after qualifying.

Kind of a misleading stat. He's been in MotoGP for a few years, and 2020/21 were mostly raced on European tracks because of the pandemic. His results since getting on the factory bike aren't that bad: a 2nd place in COTA in 2021, podiums in Thailand and Australia in 2022 (apart from the aforementioned win in Malaysia). I think he needs to focus on getting podiums and that will be enough, the satellite bikes always struggle with continued consistency. Martín and Bezz will have a few stinkers probably. Obviously, the problem is that Pecco should be told to stay on the bike and not crash it for fun to begin with. That's simple advice, but it's one Quartararo didn't want to hear in key moments of 2022 when he just needed to bring the bike through the finish line.

I think the biggest difference with the new crop of gen-Z stars vs the old one is that the former lack long term thinking. Rossi, Lorenzo or Márquez would've won the 2022 championship if they were on Fabio's shoes. Let's see if Pecco doesn't commit the same mistakes.
That is the thing. FQ is imo better than Bagnaia, but it shouldn’t be forgotten he has also crashed his way out of a title last year, and possibly out of a previous title as well. They also have double the number of first corners/first laps this season.
 
The ducatis problem use to be random crashes without warning. It seems to me the aero and ride height are what allowed them to get their very powerful bike under control. With the last step being the harder carcass to allow the heavy braking load. Pecco's bike looked unstable the entire race. I have noticed that when this is the case he tends to make an error then claims to not know what happened. He doesn't seem as smooth on the throttle and brakes as other riders. So when he is trying to push a little harder is when he tends to bin it.

As for what allowed honda and yamaha to have a better race I tend to give the credit to the riders. Someone said the cream rises to the top on new circuits and I tend to agree. Marc, Fabio, and Mir are 3 of the best riders on the grid, I think they made the difference. Marc even said as much after qualifying.


Don't think Bagnaia has taken anyone out this year? Perhaps he's the safest crasher?
 
I’m coming around on him. Yes he has shown lapses in judgement and taking responsibility.

Is he as smooth as possible? Probably not. He needs to learn that, if he still can. But the heart and will is there. So there’s that.

Sometimes it takes a rider a while to develop into the right formula Or whatever you want to call it. Sometimes it only lasts as long as it is possible to ride the bike the way the rider figured out how to ride. If it changes, can the rider adapt?

This is one reason we keep watching.
 
I’m coming around on him. Yes he has shown lapses in judgement and taking responsibility.

Is he as smooth as possible? Probably not. He needs to learn that, if he still can. But the heart and will is there. So there’s that.

Sometimes it takes a rider a while to develop into the right formula Or whatever you want to call it. Sometimes it only lasts as long as it is possible to ride the bike the way the rider figured out how to ride. If it changes, can the rider adapt?

This is one reason we keep watching.
He actually said he couldn’t make the medium tires work for his bike this race and the last, so had to use the hard while others were on the mediums, and related his crash to that. Who knows ?. There do seem to be somewhat random changes from track to track and with tires, cf Aprilia nowhere lthis weekend.

I guess he may have felt pressured by the points situation and have pushed too hard, but he was never going to catch Bezzecchi and even if Martin was some chance of catching him 3rd would have been a good result for the championship as has been said.
 
I had forgotten but the hey brought a hard carcass tire for this round, which someone said may have helped Honda. The guys with the extreme riding styles have sometimes had a tire preference which doesn’t necessarily suit the general field, Stoner needed a hard carcass tire, and Jorge’s butter hammer thing work best with a particular tyre as well , and both were affected by tyre withdrawals, whether or not this was tgecaim
I can see why Stoners style may have benefitted from the harder carcass. But I think Marc and the honda and yamaha prefer the softer one. I think feel and corner speed are better on a softer tire. How many times have we seen Marc chose the soft tire for a race and been able to win on it? Many times. The harder carcass tire is brought there because of the super fast straight and hard breaking zone. I don't think any of the riders prefer the hardest carcass tire so the better riders are able to adapt to it quicker and better. Marc, Fabio, and Mir are those guys. Its not that their bikes worked better on the harder tire, its that their skills allowed them to adapt to it
 
Don't think Bagnaia has taken anyone out this year? Perhaps he's the safest crasher?
Hmm, you may be on to something. Even while drunk driving he is able to put a car in the ditch instead of a sidewalk of people. Also his crashes, despite his opinion, are self inflicted. He crashes while leading or chasing the leader not while overtaking.
 
I can see why Stoners style may have benefitted from the harder carcass. But I think Marc and the honda and yamaha prefer the softer one. I think feel and corner speed are better on a softer tire. How many times have we seen Marc chose the soft tire for a race and been able to win on it? Many times.
I know that on the old RCV (i.e. pre 2022), Marquez and Honda used to go for the hard front carcass a lot if I recall, because Marc/Honda put everything on the front (hence a lot of his lowsides). That was likely necessity more than preference though.

I agree to your earlier statement though. Anti squat and aero are loading the front tyres up too much, hence the unpredicatable washouts.
 
I know that on the old RCV (i.e. pre 2022), Marquez and Honda used to go for the hard front carcass a lot if I recall, because Marc/Honda put everything on the front (hence a lot of his lowsides). That was likely necessity more than preference though.

I agree to your earlier statement though. Anti squat and aero are loading the front tyres up too much, hence the unpredicatable washouts.

Hard carcass or just the hard tire? They have never had a choice when it comes to carcass. I am certain that the harder carcass was implemented after 2021 due to the delaminating issues and at the request of ktm. The only reason they were necessary is because of the added load of ride height and aero. The benefit was instant to the euro bikes and the decline of Yamaha and Honda. Marc has always chose tires the rest of the field didn't, but that wasn't carcass related just harder or softer rubber.
 

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