marlboro....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 29 2009, 12:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And Mick, I can see your theory on syaing anything to keep the masses distracted but misleading the masses for too long will eventually catch up with him. He says that now and in the future fans and sponsors will never know if a minor injury is really so minor or vice versa.
And how is this any different than the situation he's in now?

I'm so amped for the race! It's been too long.

I'd like to see Casey race. But, I think he's not being true to himself. He signed a contract to be a PROFESSIONAL bike racer and do promotional activity associated with that job.
He just wanted to race and go home. He shoulda manned up and said that in his CONTRACT.
I think he tricked himself into believing he could something he hated and it's now caught up to him.

Perhaps he can work out a 2010 contract which relieves him of all promotional duties, diet regulations, and behavioral restrictions. I can promise this kind of contract would mean less money.

I wonder if he's getting paid for the races he's missed?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Sep 28 2009, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And how is this any different than the situation he's in now?
At this point it's more or less the same. My thought was that had he had some sort of an injury in the future, his credibility would be shot. It makes no difference now, I think your way would be better for the present, but I think it would come out eventually. Or maybe not.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Sep 27 2009, 05:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its all mental masturbation ...

Interesting choice of words, I know I've read this somewhere...


Not sure why you're bent on defending this marketing executive. He, like you, are assuming Casey is bullshiting. Just like you said, he's not asking Massa to apologize, so why can't he & you make the same realization for Casey? Or must you see an object hit somebody's helmet or a xray of a broken bone to ascertain that infact an injury must exist? You said his departure was "unprofessional"? I guess you must know his medical condition then and deemed it not of an urgent nature. Perhaps you may want to review, but he had been battling this condition for some rounds, and only until then, after soldiering on did it come to the point where he felt a different approach was necessary. It was NOT in a moments notice as you suggest.

This guy who works for Philip Morris doesn't know .... and is clearly interested in only one thing...getting exposure. Which is fine, and frankly he got his exposure's money's worth with Casey winning and losing--as he always seems to be part of the story. That executive who "thinks" they know what the hell is going on with Stoner and have made up their minds that he's ....... around just exposed his ... by demanding an apology. Even if they had a dispute, who the .... is this guy to call him out and demand an apology for leaving assuming it just a matter of a disgruntled employee? If Stoner is in breach, then cancel the check & replace him, if not then he should shut the hell up until the facts are made public giving his demand some credibility.

An apology to his team and fans is not out of the order. I thought he did that already though

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Sep 28 2009, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>After no medical reports, Sponsors claim an apology. We are discussing on a thread all over this, and you do not see people attacking Marlboro for the sake of it?

No I seriously don't see it as an attack just for the sake of attack of the sponsor to 'attempt' to divert attention from any issues and in reality we are assuming that there have been no medical reports made available to the sponsor.

People are attacking Marlboro (if that is what is happening) for the sake of defending Stoner's rights to silence, the hypocrisy of Marlboro's spokesman (perceived or real) or any other reason that is valid as they are a company that sells an addictive product, alebit legal at this tage.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Sep 28 2009, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We don’t. But as the boss who pays the bills? Come on Gaz! Of course there could be a privacy clause asked by Stoners representatives so if anything goes public they could sue Marlboro. But as the Article implies, they have got nothing and don’t know anything either.

Marlboro are Ducati's boss from my understanding and sponsor Ducati, not Stoner at a personal level.

So, they should be directing their commentary at Ducati (if they needed to make commentary) as it is the responsibility of Ducati to provide Marlboro with information, not Stoner and if Marlboro do not know, then they should address it with Ducati.

Is it any different to a customer of a business demanding an apology from and employeee of the business for an employees absence?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Sep 28 2009, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think this was why he kept seeing diverse ‘Doctors’ before going back home and all of the sudden… As if by magic… And with no Report… Go fishing! That’s it?

So stupid point, do you trust every docyot you see to diagnose you accurately whicn those doctors do not know you personal history?

Would you trust a general practitioner to diagnose a cancer without first having undetaken numerous tests to determine and clarift teh exact condition and location of that cancer?

I wouldn't.

I have doctors I trust and whom I have had experience with who would somehow be unable to diagnose that a corpse has died.





Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Sep 28 2009, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That’s why a least Marlboro should be informed. And protect privacy if you may. If the Article read: “We are well aware of Stoner’s illness and recovered fitness”, don’t you think it would be another matter completely?

Actually, the assumption you are making is that Marlboro have not been informed and we do not know that at all.

What we do know is that this person has made a statement requesting (well demanding if you read it that way) an apology which does not mean that they do not know the cause.

As you do say, if the article went we are glad to see Stoner return and welcome him back etc etc etc there would be no issue, but the manner of this persons statement is what has caused the controversy (understandably IMO).





Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Sep 28 2009, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>An apology to his team and fans is not out of the order. I thought he did that already though

Do you apologize to your boss when you are sick for getting sick? What does that sound like? "Uhm, sorry I'm not a robot, I actually am susceptible to a fallible human immune system, and so I occasionally get sick." WTF

I don’t think he’s talking about the colloquial apology that we all know and use, like “sorry guys, I had to call in sick…bla bla bla. This dude is saying Stoner took off to the beach and is ....... around and should apologize for playing hooky. That’s a big difference.

Jum,

I think riding that Ducati may lead to PTSD. I think Casey is really ill. He's also young and has had an unconventional life, which may drastically distort his perception of acceptible behavior.

If we have no right to judge anyone, then it goes both ways. You can't defend his actions either. Nobody really knows what's going on. If we are going to speculate, lets at look the evidence.

Did he take Marlboro money?
Why can't he be a professional and release a VLOG or press release? Even Massa was communicating with his team and fans after a horrific accident. There's nothing wrong with being sick. There's something wrong with handling it like a ........ If people like you and I didn't buy tickets or cigarettes or motorcycles, there wouldn't be much of a MotoGP for him to race in. So he does owe us. If he's got cancer or aids or his dog died and he's depressed, we don't need the details. But a release saying "For personal reasons I won't race for 3 months, I understand the inconvenience this has caused my team an my sponsors and the millions of GP viewers, but it's out of my control. I will do everything to get back to racing and representing Ducati and my sponsors proudly. My team is great and I wish them the best luck in this difficult period."

Let us not forget the immature character traits he's shown:
Head shaking at and general disdain for Marco (and other riders who had trouble with the bike).
Comments about Nicky and Kallio "I think it's all in their heads". Perhaps he was projecting.
The immaturity this statement "This is who I am, a racer, not an actor. I want to come here, do a good job, and then go home. That's all."
Hissy fit about Qatar rescheduling
The hissy fit about tows in Holland and giving Sete the finger (he ended Gibs career then replaced him and wont give him a tow when he's 2.5 seconds off the pace. At least pull him aside like a man)
The disappering vomit
Missed press conferences (despite being able to get podiums)
Diagnosis denial
The anorexia/candy binge rumours (followed by the admission his diet changed)

What up Clarky.

Yeah bro u make some good points. Frankly i thot the exec demanding an apologywas a bit much. Also, as far as Casey giving us some info (just not all the details) i think hes done that. Bottomline, he has said its a med issue, what more do we need to know? I think the prob is people simply just dont believe it. Hence u got some exec removed calling for some odd demand.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 29 2009, 02:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bottomline, he has said its a med issue, what more do we need to know? I think the prob is people simply just dont believe it. Hence u got some exec removed calling for some odd demand.
This is the crux of the issue as you said earlier, the assumption by many including the marlboro man that he hasn't really had a problem, and this is presumably why casey is pissed off if he is pissed off. I guess events to come will clarify matters, but the possibility he has had a medical illness surely must exist . And whilst I am a long -term ducati fan, I find it difficult to think of any ex-ducati motogp rider on entirely cordial terms with them. I find the attitude of some rossi afficionados to the marlboro man puzzling also, as I would have thought he exemplifies the attitude that valentino has stated made ducati unappealing for him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 29 2009, 04:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not sure why you're bent on defending this marketing executive. He, like you, are assuming Casey is bullshiting.

Just like you said, he's not asking Massa to apologize...

I guess you must know his medical condition then and deemed it not of an urgent nature. Perhaps you may want to review, but he had been battling this condition for some rounds, and only until then, after soldiering on did it come to the point where he felt a different approach was necessary. It was NOT in a moments notice as you suggest.
Point one - I've been painfully clear since the beginning of this issue that I couldn't give a flying fudoo whether he's bs-ing or not, or what his condition is - its the handling that I have been critical of.

Points 2 & 3 weren't me - crossed wires w/someones elses post...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Sep 29 2009, 06:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There's nothing wrong with being sick. There's something wrong with handling it like a ........ ... a release saying "For personal reasons I won't race for 3 months, I understand the inconvenience this has caused my team an my sponsors and the millions of GP viewers, but it's out of my control. I will do everything to get back to racing and representing Ducati and my sponsors proudly. My team is great and I wish them the best luck in this difficult period."
Brilliant clarky...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 29 2009, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do you apologize to your boss when you are sick for getting sick? What does that sound like? "Uhm, sorry I'm not a robot, I actually am susceptible to a fallible human immune system, and so I occasionally get sick." WTF

I don’t think he’s talking about the colloquial apology that we all know and use, like “sorry guys, I had to call in sick…bla bla bla. This dude is saying Stoner took off to the beach and is ....... around and should apologize for playing hooky. That’s a big difference.
I get the feeling there's a lot more to this story then where aware of.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 29 2009, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don’t think he’s talking about the colloquial apology that we all know and use, like “sorry guys, I had to call in sick…bla bla bla. This dude is saying Stoner took off to the beach and is ....... around and should apologize for playing hooky. That’s a big difference.
These are also the guys who sent marco melandri to a psychologist last year; they are obviously confident about making medical diagnoses in their employees for which purpose a background in marketing apparently provides adequate expertise.