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Sure, I see the same, but doubt Ducati would care as much as Yamaha appeared to care in 2015 about the “wrong” rider winning as long as a Ducati rider won.
 
I think the difference today is that these young riders just seem, at least on the surface and at the present time, more cordial with each other than in times of yore. Time will tell whether this will hold up. If the past is prologue, we’ll see the sticks getting sharpened as things tighten up at the front.

Naturally, we’ll see this first at Ducati, as it is the only team with two contenders in it. Honda and Yamaha only have one each in the team. Prost and Senna were also somewhat cordial to each other in the beginning.

Morbidelli already has his sharp stick out, but nobody cares, as he is so obviously irrelevant.
 
Ducati has a rich roster of talented riders, and a little competition within keeps things interesting. I think Pecco and Ducati deserve the title this year, good timing indeed because I think next year is gonna be tough if Marc gets back up to speed on that Honda.

In my opinion MotoGP would not be what it is without Ducati involvement, Ducati rocks !!!
 
Ducati has a rich roster of talented riders, and a little competition within keeps things interesting. I think Pecco and Ducati deserve the title this year, good timing indeed because I think next year is gonna be tough if Marc gets back up to speed on that Honda. And if the other makes can get their HP on par with Ducati then all bets are off.

In my opinion MotoGP would not be what it is without Ducati involvement, Ducati rocks !!!
 
I hope MM gets back up to speed on the Honda.
It is a chasm to cross though.
He is not going to have it like he did previously with a gap to the rest.
Ducati is now a much better machine and the riders they have are good.
The Honda is a pos. Can it improve enough so quickly?
I remain unconvinced. We'll see.
 
I hope MM gets back up to speed on the Honda.
It is a chasm to cross though.
He is not going to have it like he did previously with a gap to the rest.
Ducati is now a much better machine and the riders they have are good.
The Honda is a pos. Can it improve enough so quickly?
I remain unconvinced. We'll see.
He may not need to be back to his 2019 level to win a championship again. Bagnaia and Quartararo are very inconsistent despite how fast they can be. Let's see how Bestia does on the factory Ducati.
 
Sure, I see the same, but doubt Ducati would care as much as Yamaha appeared to care in 2015 about the “wrong” rider winning as long as a Ducati rider won.
Absolutely agree and would go further.

To me, which rider is secondary in two ways
1. They want the constructors title so that they can brag and use that to sell more bikes (as they did when the Ducati Cup was otherwise known as WSBK)
2. As constructors is primary concern, as long as one of their riders wins teh title they are happy, and that rider could be a satellite rider if it occurred (so long as it was a Ducati contracted rider)

I hope MM gets back up to speed on the Honda.
It is a chasm to cross though.
He is not going to have it like he did previously with a gap to the rest.
Ducati is now a much better machine and the riders they have are good.
The Honda is a pos. Can it improve enough so quickly?
I remain unconvinced. We'll see.
I think he will get there barring more crashes and injury.
I have felt that he has not even scratchedt he surface in the last few races but rather been focusing on 2023 and beyond in his approach.
Yes, Ducati is a better bike but it also has competing riders where Honda will only have Mir and that is if he copes with the significant variation from Suzuki.
Whereas Bagnaia will have 3 other Ducati riders to contend with, Mark will at most have one
 
He may not need to be back to his 2019 level to win a championship again. Bagnaia and Quartararo are very inconsistent despite how fast they can be. Let's see how Bestia does on the factory Ducati.
Absolutely agree. Marquez is generally far more consistent than the riders who have (or are about to win) championships since his last.

Had Pecco started out of the blocks in 22 like he finished 21, he'd have run away with it. If he wins the title in Valencia then the new found confidence and weight off his shoulders could mean he DOES hit the ground running in 2023, but then there is another issue to deal with....the beast.

Like others, I can see those two winning a lot of battles but ultimatly losing the war. Per Williams in F1 1986 with Mansell and Piquet.
 
We’ll see, but I am not convinced MM will win without an exceptional performance all the time. Pecco and Fabs will get even more consistent with more experience and Marquez will keep crashing. Sure, he’ll do those big saves that everybody likes, but sometimes he won’t pull them off. He’s consistent that way…..
 
We’ll see, but I am not convinced MM will win without an exceptional performance all the time. Pecco and Fabs will get even more consistent with more experience and Marquez will keep crashing. Sure, he’ll do those big saves that everybody likes, but sometimes he won’t pull them off. He’s consistent that way…..
Imo it depends what sort of bike Honda produce, and which version of MM turns up next season.

In some of those latter championships, particularly the year he had the really bad shoulder, he was really consistent and took 2nds and 3rds if that was on offer, but hardly ever anything lower. Even in dominant years he tended not to throw the thinggvfoenbthevroadvintil he had clinched the title, although he did crash in practice, and I am not sure the finding the limits in practice thing is viable at the current stage in his career.

If he has a bike which is vaguely competitive, I could see him riding in the style of his more conservative years, imo he really, really wants to equal then beat Valentino for premier class titles won. If the bike is too far away from being competitive intrinsically, then sure he will likely crash over-riding it.
 
Imo it depends what sort of bike Honda produce, and which version of MM turns up next season.

In some of those latter championships, particularly the year he had the really bad shoulder, he was really consistent and took 2nds and 3rds if that was on offer, but hardly ever anything lower. Even in dominant years he tended not to throw the thinggvfoenbthevroadvintil he had clinched the title, although he did crash in practice, and I am not sure the finding the limits in practice thing is viable at the current stage in his career.

If he has a bike which is vaguely competitive, I could see him riding in the style of his more conservative years, imo he really, really wants to equal then beat Valentino for premier class titles won. If the bike is too far away from being competitive intrinsically, then sure he will likely crash over-riding it.
throw the thing down the road
 
In some of those latter championships, particularly the year he had the really bad shoulder, he was really consistent and took 2nds and 3rds if that was on offer, but hardly ever anything lower. Even in dominant years he tended not to throw the thinggvfoenbthevroadvintil he had clinched the title, although he did crash in practice, and I am not sure the finding the limits in practice thing is viable at the current stage in his career.
2019 was mind blowing. He finished 1st and 2nd in every race, except for COTA where he crashed out of the lead.
 

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