lorenzo sign 1 year deal @yamaha

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Aug 25 2009, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yumkie my friend, I think deep inside you recognize that Rossi is the Best Rider / Developer in the Grid, even unconsciously… And that could help Hayden back podiuming!
Who developed the 06 Honda? Are you gonna tell me it was Rossi? I know Nicky can do good on a ridable bike, this is why my hopes were high for him to be relegated to the #2 Yamaha. Zero to do with Rossi amigo.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Aug 25 2009, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Would it be fair to say that Vale's contract runs out at the end of next year, and Jorge has only signed a one year deal in order to see what Vale does for 2011? If Vale signs a new contract Jorge will probably jump ship, but if Vale decides he wants to do something else Jorge will be the #1 Yamaha guy. Am I reading this correctly?
Bingo. He would have been crazy to go to Ducati. I think he realized the money, thought alot, would have meant a career killer. If Hopkins gets .... for taking 3Mil and going to a .... bike, can you imagine 13Mil to go to an equally if not worse machine?

Great news. Yamaha should embrace and protect there limpdick yet great riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Aug 26 2009, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Would it be fair to say that Vale's contract runs out at the end of next year, and Jorge has only signed a one year deal in order to see what Vale does for 2011? If Vale signs a new contract Jorge will probably jump ship, but if Vale decides he wants to do something else Jorge will be the #1 Yamaha guy. Am I reading this correctly?
correct but for me is something missing, something not right there but i don't know
well maybe in 2011 we will see
yamaha 1 rossi
2nd simmoncelli / edwards (who knows)
honda pedrobot
dovizioso
ducati lorenzo
fabriozo
tech3 spies
hayden
suzuki bautista
hopkins / stoner (coz he want factory bike more than satelite)
gersini melandri
elias/ stoner ( this time he number 2)
LCR rdp (still bike for guy)
alice barbera
matias
aspar barbera / talmasci
scott aoyama

but who knows

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Aug 26 2009, 01:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Would it be fair to say that Vale's contract runs out at the end of next year, and Jorge has only signed a one year deal in order to see what Vale does for 2011? If Vale signs a new contract Jorge will probably jump ship, but if Vale decides he wants to do something else Jorge will be the #1 Yamaha guy. Am I reading this correctly?

Certainly my initial thought Frizzle and that it may paint Yamaha into a slight corner should VR decide to call it a day (I don't expect it until he has the race wins record at least).

Plus, the other aspect could well have been that CS is contracted to Ducati for 2010 and that they (Ducati) could not offer him all that he wanted for 2010 (ie. #1, equal gear, lead developments etc) so instead he returned to Yamaha but the Ducati seat will again be free for 2011.

To me, by signing with Yamaha he has not lost anything and may very well have improved his position for 2011 contract time.






Gaz

Lorenzo's decision (or lack of) will pay only if he will really be capable to beat Rossi. That is a bigger gamble than riding a Ducati.
If in the remaining races the little Rambo does not manage to finally (after trying and trying) get the upper hand on Rossi, at least in a race or two, just imagine his misery at the prospect of another year in the same way,--when on Ducati he would have been rich and with plenty of people ready to excuse him if he could not deliver...

staying with yamaha was the best thing he could do to get the maximum chance to beat rossi in 2010 (which I say he wont be able to). every other way would have been more risky than that.

Trust me on this.

Rossi will move to Ducati. Why?
1. Rossi = Italian = Ducati. National pride
2. He want to be the only rider to win championship under 3 different manufacturers.
And that my friends is more than a legend but immortal

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (slug @ Aug 26 2009, 07:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Trust me on this.

Rossi will move to Ducati. Why?
1. Rossi = Italian = Ducati. National pride
2. He want to be the only rider to win championship under 3 different manufacturers.
And that my friends is more than a legend but immortal

i dont think so. why should he take the risk of failing at the end of his career when he has proven on so many bikes he can be champ on different material? the duc would be the highest possible risk of failing as we saw with stoners teammates!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Aug 26 2009, 07:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo's decision (or lack of) will pay only if he will really be capable to beat Rossi. That is a bigger gamble than riding a Ducati.
If in the remaining races the little Rambo does not manage to finally (after trying and trying) get the upper hand on Rossi, at least in a race or two, just imagine his misery at the prospect of another year in the same way,--when on Ducati he would have been rich and with plenty of people ready to excuse him if he could not deliver...


Not necessarily I suspect J4rn0, as for me he only needs to finish second to VR and he will remain a hot property in 2011 assuming all current stories etc are relatively correct.

If Pedrosa signs for 2 years with Honda (as expected pending the next batch of rumours) that takes him out of the picture until 2012.

Stoner, if he returns is probably going to be none to happy with the posturings of Ducati nor one suspects Phillip Morris and it is known that his contract runs out at seasons end 2010. Sofor mine Stoner will eaither walk away (should he return at all) or be in a position to say 'show me the money' should he return and again be the leading Ducati, particularly if the gap is significant.

So, at 2011 there will be two guaranteed seats available, one at FIAT Yamaha and a second at Ducati so again, assuming that he finishes second in the title we have another auction for JL's services.


But, should he have signed with Ducati I do not think people would have excused him for poor performances as you suggest may well be the case. I say this as in fairness, he is not the loveable character nor a likeable bloke to many, so people would expect him to earn his keep and as such I suspect that after 3 or 4 races he would have been subject to all kinds of talk.






Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 26 2009, 03:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who developed the 06 Honda? Are you gonna tell me it was Rossi? I know Nicky can do good on a ridable bike, this is why my hopes were high for him to be relegated to the #2 Yamaha. Zero to do with Rossi amigo.
it didnt need any development by 06, just a few tweeks for rider preferences. by 06 the rc211v was the best bike straight out the box and the other manufactures were not investing in there 990's as much because the 800 rule was to follow the next season.

cheque's signed now keeping in everyone's good books.lol

Lorenzo thanks Yamaha - and Ducati

Jorge Lorenzo has explained that loyalty and competitive machinery were behind his decision to sign a new Yamaha MotoGP contract, but thanked Ducati for making it difficult.

The 22-year-old Spaniard has been a MotoGP frontrunner ever since qualifying on pole for his premier-class debut at the start of the 2008 season.

During his 28 MotoGP races, all with Fiat Yamaha, Lorenzo has taken three wins and 14 podiums - handing him the 2008 rookie of the year title and second in the 2009 standings, behind team-mate Valentino Rossi, after eleven of 17 rounds.

Lorenzo's new one-year Yamaha deal brought to an end months of speculation, which began with rumours of a Honda switch, before a late big-money offer from Ducati.

“Firstly, I have to thank Ducati for their interest because the offer they made was difficult to reject,” Lorenzo told Spanish sportspaper AS. “In the end, I decided to remain with Yamaha because of the confidence they placed in me three years ago, before I had even won a 250cc title. I remain with Yamaha because of this and also because I have two years experience with the motorcycle. I know it very well and I think that is the best option to try to win the title.”

Although unwilling to discuss his new Yamaha pay deal, rumoured to have been doubled from 2 to 4 million euros a year, Lorenzo admitted that “if I was only interested in money, I would have gone to Ducati.”

Ducati is said to have offered Lorenzo 6.5 million euros a year (second only to six time MotoGP champion Rossi, on 14 million a year).

While Yamaha resisted becoming involved in a financial bidding war for Lorenzo, there does seem to have been some concessions from the Japanese factory to help clinch the deal.

“I have to thank Lin Jarvis, and also Furusawa, because they promised me that I would have the same motorcycle as Valentino for the second half of this year and all of next year,” he revealed. “That was a very important point in making my decision.”

Earlier in the season, Lorenzo told Crash.net that his M1 was 'almost the same' as Rossi's.

Lorenzo's deal means that he joins Rossi (Fiat Yamaha), Casey Stoner (Ducati Marlboro), Marco Melandri (Gresini Honda), Marco Simoncelli (Gresini Honda), Alvaro Bautista (Rizla Suzuki) and Hector Barbera (Aspar Ducati) in having a confirmed place on the 2010 grid.

crash net

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>“Firstly, I have to thank Ducati for their interest because the offer they made was difficult to reject,” Lorenzo told Spanish sportspaper AS. “In the end, I decided to remain with Yamaha because of the confidence they placed in me three years ago, before I had even won a 250cc title. I remain with Yamaha because of this and also because I have two years experience with the motorcycle. I know it very well and with Rossi and Burgess developing the bike I think that is the best option to try to win the title. Cause without them i don't have a chance”



fixed it for ya

Lorenzo confirms my doubts about his intelligence.

He couldn't help throwing in again the suggestion that Rossi wins because of preferential treatment. Even when his own team manager, Daniele Romagnoli, has publicly dismissed the idea.

Thats' a 100% losing position. Biaggi in 2003 said Rossi was winning only because he had a Honda. hahaha.

There's nothing better that insinuations like that to motivate Valentino. I even hope Lorenzo wins the next race and then boasts and gloats and declares he's the best. That would really give us a 110% Rossi at the very next race.

One thing is true, I must admit --Lorenzo is good for the show.

But for the real stuff... give us Stoner back.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Aug 26 2009, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo confirms my doubts about his intelligence.

He couldn't help throwing in again the suggestion that Rossi wins because of preferential treatment. Even when his own team manager, Daniele Romagnoli, has publicly dismissed the idea.

Thats' a 100% losing position. Biaggi in 2003 said Rossi was winning only because he had a Honda. hahaha.

There's nothing better that insinuations like that to motivate Valentino. I even hope Lorenzo wins the next race and then boasts and gloats and declares he's the best. That would really give us a 110% Rossi at the very next race.

One thing is true, I must admit --Lorenzo is good for the show.

But for the real stuff... give us Stoner back.
But is is possible that Lorenzo is right?
Does Rossi get preferential treatment.. I don't think that would be a hard stretch.
No one has brought the draw to the sport that Rossi has. love him hate him whatever. Rossi's draw raised motogp to another level. His wins and legend is keeping viewership high in an down world economy.

Lorenzo - Biaggi... I don't know if that is a fair comparison. Lorenzo hasn't been mentally broken. He will not be broken. Biaggi (I like Biaggi) he mentally defeats himself. Lorenzo will be Motogp champion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Aug 26 2009, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But is is possible that Lorenzo is right?
Does Rossi get preferential treatment.. I don't think that would be a hard stretch.
No one has brought the draw to the sport that Rossi has. love him hate him whatever. Rossi's draw raised motogp to another level. His wins and legend is keeping viewership high in an down world economy.

Lorenzo - Biaggi... I don't know if that is a fair comparison. Lorenzo hasn't been mentally broken. He will not be broken. Biaggi (I like Biaggi) he mentally defeats himself. Lorenzo will be Motogp champion.

Lorenzo's own team manager has assured that the two bikes are the same, that any subtle difference (due to personal preferences mostly) can not have any impact on track performance (which is what everybody can plainly see), then why should one assume otherwise? Team managers are not obliged to speak, they can always stay shut... So if they say something like that, why not believe them?

No, this is Lorenzo preparing his excuses in case of continuing defeat--they did not keep their promises, they gave preferential treatment to Valentino... and then on that ground leave Yamaha

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (slug @ Aug 26 2009, 07:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Trust me on this.

Rossi will move to Ducati. Why?
1. Rossi = Italian = Ducati. National pride
2. He want to be the only rider to win championship under 3 different manufacturers.
And that my friends is more than a legend but immortal


No way! Never gonna happen....................

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Aug 25 2009, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Would it be fair to say that Vale's contract runs out at the end of next year, and Jorge has only signed a one year deal in order to see what Vale does for 2011? If Vale signs a new contract Jorge will probably jump ship, but if Vale decides he wants to do something else Jorge will be the #1 Yamaha guy. Am I reading this correctly?

+1

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Aug 25 2009, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Would it be fair to say that Vale's contract runs out at the end of next year, and Jorge has only signed a one year deal in order to see what Vale does for 2011? If Vale signs a new contract Jorge will probably jump ship, but if Vale decides he wants to do something else Jorge will be the #1 Yamaha guy. Am I reading this correctly?
+2^^^

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (slug @ Aug 26 2009, 02:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Trust me on this.

Rossi will move to Ducati. Why?
1. Rossi = Italian = Ducati. National pride
2. He want to be the only rider to win championship under 3 different manufacturers.
And that my friends is more than a legend but immortal
Rossi won't go to Ducati because of how they treat their riders. He left Honda because they were convinced the bike was the important factor. Ducati are exactly the same way, if not worse. He also wants to be remembered as a Yamaha man. I'd be shocked if Rossi ever signed for Ducati.