let the games begin

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jul 28 2009, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hiroshi Aoyama will get the HRC ride !!
Japan's next rising star is destined to be on the HRC... he will first ride the horrible Scot Honda first though.
No doubt you have an asian fetish. Aoyama is a great rider and likely we will see him at Scot Honda. But I will go on the record now and say he won't achieve anything more then Nakano did.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 28 2009, 01:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh dear, this is going to get very political. All we want is good racing. .... the politics
Major drama is about to happen, silly season is going to be great this year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (petronas @ Jul 28 2009, 03:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do you not think Pedrosa has potential then? Have they given up on him already?
And if it does occur, will Honda put Lorenzo over Pedrosa?
Those two hate each other already and it would only put lemon juice on a paper cut if Honda bought in Jorge over Dani.
Basically it comes down to who sells the most bikes ~ who's more popular, who's going to get the fans screaming. Who do you think that would be between Dani and Jorge?
Great points Petronas. But put yourself in the position of Pedrosa's employer. When you have an ultimate goal of having your machine win the world championship, you are used to being the world's best motorcycle, and the rider you have been putting all your faith in for 4 years has came close but just can't do it, you have to ask, when is it time to move on to someone else.

I do think Pedrosa does have potential, but he seems to only win when everything is perfect for him and he can break away. He doesn't have the fight in him that Lorenzo has shown. Also there is the fact that he is prone to injury. And the people that hire him see this too. I don't doubt they will give him another shot next year, even though Pedrosa has said over the weekend he hasn't received an offer yet from Honda.

If HRC happens to pick up Lorenzo, I'm sure they will start out even between the two, and then follow the stronger rider, who we can all expect would be Lorenzo. However as you point out Pedrosa and Lorenzo hate eachother, so it could be Lorenzo gets his own team (Telefonica rumors) with a big huge HONDA on the front of it. Not sure how things are in Espana right now, maybe Teo could fill us in on the vibe in Spain, but I'm willing to guess Lorenzo is the most popular, Bautista next, then Pedrosa.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (petronas @ Jul 28 2009, 03:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do you not think Pedrosa has potential then? Have they given up on him already?
And if it does occur, will Honda put Lorenzo over Pedrosa?
Those two hate each other already and it would only put lemon juice on a paper cut if Honda bought in Jorge over Dani.
Basically it comes down to who sells the most bikes ~ who's more popular, who's going to get the fans screaming. Who do you think that would be between Dani and Jorge?


Now, this is a genuine question.

Do Pedrosa and Lorenzo hate one another as people are saying or is it more Amatrain and Puig?

To me, Pedrosa's comments have been quite level in the current climate and with Lorenzo having gotten rid of Amatrain I just wonder if things may have thawed.

Honest assesments invited.





Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Jul 28 2009, 03:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...
Great points Petronas. But put yourself in the position of Pedrosa's employer. When you have an ultimate goal of having your machine win the world championship, you are used to being the world's best motorcycle, and the rider you have been putting all your faith in for 4 years has came close but just can't do it, you have to ask, when is it time to move on to someone else.

I do think Pedrosa does have potential, but he seems to only win when everything is perfect for him and he can break away. He doesn't have the fight in him that Lorenzo has shown. Also there is the fact that he is prone to injury. And the people that hire him see this too. I don't doubt they will give him another shot next year, even though Pedrosa has said over the weekend he hasn't received an offer yet from Honda.

If HRC happens to pick up Lorenzo, I'm sure they will start out even between the two, and then follow the stronger rider, who we can all expect would be Lorenzo. However as you point out Pedrosa and Lorenzo hate eachother, so it could be Lorenzo gets his own team (Telefonica rumors) with a big huge HONDA on the front of it. Not sure how things are in Espana right now, maybe Teo could fill us in on the vibe in Spain, but I'm willing to guess Lorenzo is the most popular, Bautista next, then Pedrosa.

But Honda haven't been the best since Rossi switched and if they're hoping for some miracle reverse fortune by snagging Lorenzo ~ I fear they will be wrong.

You're right about Lorenzo being more popular that Pedrosa already after 2 years rather than Dani's 4, and I admit if it were my purse I would go for Lorenzo. Dani's so small he's suppose to bounce not break yet it's not working like that.

But what would the shuffle mean? Could we see Dani on #2 Yamaha with Vale Why not?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 28 2009, 04:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now, this is a genuine question.

Do Pedrosa and Lorenzo hate one another as people are saying or is it more Amatrain and Puig?

To me, Pedrosa's comments have been quite level in the current climate and with Lorenzo having gotten rid of Amatrain I just wonder if things may have thawed.

Honest assesments invited.





Garry

I really don't mean to demean your question but it's 5am and I think it should be decided by a 'Flamenco-off'
G'nite, x

I'm interested to see were RDP ends up at, after reading the article on him at motogp matters, I hope he ends up on a faster bike for next season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hawkdriver @ Jul 28 2009, 05:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm interested to see were RDP ends up at, after reading the article on him at motogp matters, I hope he ends up on a faster bike for next season.

You really trust his and the other rider's safety with RDP on a faster bike

The guy was extremely fortunate to get the result he did this weekend.
He is not consistant, he is not controlled and he has no charisma.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (petronas @ Jul 28 2009, 03:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I really don't mean to demean your question but it's 5am and I think it should be decided by a 'Flamenco-off'
G'nite, x
This would be hilarious.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hawkdriver @ Jul 28 2009, 04:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm interested to see were RDP ends up at, after reading the article on him at motogp matters, I hope he ends up on a faster bike for next season.
Call me crazy, but I have always wanted to see how RdP would do on a Ducati. My reasoning, he reminds me of 2006 Stoner. Granted Stoner in '06 was already showing crazy speed and it is arguable that the Michelin's were his nemesis that year. RdP is no Stoner, but when it comes to the Ducati, you never know, the magic combination may be out there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Jul 28 2009, 05:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Call me crazy, but I have always wanted to see how RdP would do on a Ducati. My reasoning, he reminds me of 2006 Stoner. Granted Stoner in '06 was already showing crazy speed and it is arguable that the Michelin's were his nemesis that year. RdP is no Stoner, but when it comes to the Ducati, you never know, the magic combination may be out there.


Well, was kinda waiting for a post that linked the two (RdP and CS) but given that there are some tags thrown around willy nilly, thought it best to wait but ................

I like RdP as a rider - like you I see similarities - not necessarily a huge amount but I do see them.

The biggie for me is that RdP was a crasher and now on the Bridgestones has stopped crashing.

RdP is blindingly quick and has been capable of blinding laps, which sadly have not contributed to a race long pace but still - he has shown he can be quick (both Michelins and Bridestone).

RdP is now under the tutelage of Cecchinello at LCR racing and seems to have matured in his riding.

RdP was a damn good lower class rider - but never won a title although again, did show glimpses.


For me - Four distinct similarities but for me the clincher is the improvements for RdP this year in his ability to remain upright - something he has failed to do in other years.

Certainly his finishing positions have not been consistently top 5 - but I doubt that anyone would say that he is on the top equipment. I would like to see him get an opportunity in a top team but am uncertain that he has shown enough this year to warrant that kind of ride, despite the similarities I see with CS.

Mind you, I suspect that once JL signs then a lot of pieces will become far clearer as he is the golden signature at the moment.






Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (petronas @ Jul 28 2009, 05:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You really trust his and the other rider's safety with RDP on a faster bike

The guy was extremely fortunate to get the result he did this weekend.
He is not consistant, he is not controlled and he has no charisma.

Not sure how you can say he's not consistant, that might be true for previous seasons, but not this one, one crash so far (and one in practise I think) is pretty consistant to me. yes, luck did play a role this weekend, but it wasn't everything, his battle with Pedrosa & Colin showed he deserved his third place. Looking at what he's managed with LCR, compared to what the Gresini & Scot boys have done, I say he deserves a chance on better machinery, if not a Duc then Elias's factory backed Honda or even a move to the Tech3 team.

Remember RDP was on Bridgestones at Kawa & he crashed a lot then, so I don't think it's tyres making the difference, maybe Ohlins, the rev limiter or maybe he really has matured as a rider, but he definately deserves a chance.

And even if you reckon he has no charisma (I disagree) what has that got to do with getting a better bike, it hasn't hampered pedrosa has it?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Jul 28 2009, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> I say he deserves a chance on better machinery, if not a Duc then Elias's factory backed Honda or even a move to the Tech3 team.

Remember RDP was on Bridgestones at Kawa & he crashed a lot then, so I don't think it's tyres making the difference, maybe Ohlins, the rev limiter or maybe he really has matured as a rider, but he definately deserves a chance.

But is the current Duc better than an LCR satelite Honda ??
Take Stoner out and the other Ducatis look like .... !!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Jul 28 2009, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not sure how you can say he's not consistant, that might be true for previous seasons, but not this one, one crash so far (and one in practise I think) is pretty consistant to me. yes, luck did play a role this weekend, but it wasn't everything, his battle with Pedrosa & Colin showed he deserved his third place. Looking at what he's managed with LCR, compared to what the Gresini & Scot boys have done, I say he deserves a chance on better machinery, if not a Duc then Elias's factory backed Honda or even a move to the Tech3 team.

Remember RDP was on Bridgestones at Kawa & he crashed a lot then, so I don't think it's tyres making the difference, maybe Ohlins, the rev limiter or maybe he really has matured as a rider, but he definately deserves a chance.

And even if you reckon he has no charisma (I disagree) what has that got to do with getting a better bike, it hasn't hampered pedrosa has it?

Ok maybe I was a bit harsh about the no charisma, I'll put the interview after Doni down to still being in shock But I still think having personality is important to get a good ride ~ you need to be attractive to the fans. Pedrosa is an exception ~ but he has almost made his lack of emotion his trademark.

The thing is Randy is knocking on and is running out of chances, if he doesn't get very good very quickly he will be overtaken by the other younger riders. Elias, Dovi, Melandri and Vermeulen have better MotoGP records than him and the latter 3 do seem to be more 'settled'.

I have absolutely nothing against him ~ it's just my stomach flutters whenever he gets close to other riders. Putting him on a Duc would be interesting but that beast beat Hayden and I don't know if Randy has what it takes to do it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Jul 28 2009, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But is the current Duc better than an LCR satelite Honda ??
Take Stoner out and the other Ducatis look like .... !!!

The Duc is a race winning bike, the LCR not so much & I think the point is that some people see Randy's 'all out' style as suiting the Duc, not totally convinced of this which is why I think the factory Honda or a Yam might suit better.

Capper has given an ultimatum to Suzuki. Update or he leaves. CV is looking anywhere else...bad times ahead unless Suzuki hand the team to Yoshimura.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Jul 28 2009, 06:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Call me crazy, but I have always wanted to see how RdP would do on a Ducati. My reasoning, he reminds me of 2006 Stoner. Granted Stoner in '06 was already showing crazy speed and it is arguable that the Michelin's were his nemesis that year. RdP is no Stoner, but when it comes to the Ducati, you never know, the magic combination may be out there.

hmmm never really thought about randy on the duke, that could be a good combo also....

ive always wanted to de angelis on the ducati i have been saying it for well over a year/ and half and now i get to see him next season .... just something about his style body possitioning remind me of stoner.

i think he will show some promise onit...i hope soon ducati get a whole garage of riders that can ride the duke properly, i think nicky can now just gets a shitload of badluck

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 28 2009, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Capper has given an ultimatum to Suzuki. Update or he leaves. CV is looking anywhere else...bad times ahead unless Suzuki hand the team to Yoshimura.


i think its the crew... all these updates new bike, new motor and still no results... it aint updates they need the guys in garage are dam useless... they get the bike working ok in like 1 in every 5-6 races what a waste of time and money....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jul 28 2009, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hiroshi Aoyama will get the HRC ride !!

Japan's next rising star is destined to be on the HRC... he will first ride the horrible Scot Honda first though.
Jeez dude you just don't give up. Are you that stupid to think that another token Japanese rider in the series has a chance against any of these dudes? Hiroshi won't do a dang thing worthwhile in the MOTOGP class.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 28 2009, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jeez dude you just don't give up. Are you that stupid to think that another token Japanese rider in the series has a chance against any of these dudes? Hiroshi won't do a dang thing worthwhile in the MOTOGP class.


Do you really have to ask!!

<span style="color:#A0522DSupershit56 is just a ....... broken record

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 28 2009, 08:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jeez dude you just don't give up. Are you that stupid to think that another token Japanese rider in the series has a chance against any of these dudes? Hiroshi won't do a dang thing worthwhile in the MOTOGP class.


What are you smoking man. I guess spanking your hero's Simoncelli and Bautista means nothing right? Don't hate on Aoyama cuz the guy's a Japanese, he's got what it takes to be a MotoGP champion. Just wait til' he gets that HRC ride in a couple of years.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jul 28 2009, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think its the crew... all these updates new bike, new motor and still no results... it aint updates they need the guys in garage are dam useless... they get the bike working ok in like 1 in every 5-6 races what a waste of time and money....


The team of course is blaming the factory. Did you see the article in gpweek?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 28 2009, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The team of course is blaming the factory. Did you see the article in gpweek?
may i ask why on earth you are a fan of this shower of .... ? They all run around blaming each other, they never really move forward despite having some very talented riders in there team. There losers mate !

dont get me wrong, i dont like seeing teams fail, this can put the whole series in jeopardy if they pull out ,but as is i cant see any reason for them to stay.