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Well, didn't Lorenzo say that the tire was ......?
"I think that the rear tyre was not right," said the reigning world champion. "This is the main problem.
“We tried it in the [wet] warm-up for only one lap, to clean up the tyre for the race, and at that moment I thought that something was not good. But we thought that it was maybe the set-up of the bike, which was for the dry.
“The other bike was set-up for the rain so we thought that it just was the setting. After thinking and thinking about it now, I think that it [the race problem] was the rear tyre."
So if the rear tire was crap, why do we ..... around about TC and all this stuff? As Kropo stated (and everyone could see for himself anyway), Lorenzo proved last year at the very same track that he can handle this kind of weather and track conditions.
I'm not even a fan of Lorenzo, I'm just curious why nobody is taking this tire thing into consideration.
"I think that the rear tyre was not right," said the reigning world champion. "This is the main problem.
“We tried it in the [wet] warm-up for only one lap, to clean up the tyre for the race, and at that moment I thought that something was not good. But we thought that it was maybe the set-up of the bike, which was for the dry.
“The other bike was set-up for the rain so we thought that it just was the setting. After thinking and thinking about it now, I think that it [the race problem] was the rear tyre."
So if the rear tire was crap, why do we ..... around about TC and all this stuff? As Kropo stated (and everyone could see for himself anyway), Lorenzo proved last year at the very same track that he can handle this kind of weather and track conditions.
I'm not even a fan of Lorenzo, I'm just curious why nobody is taking this tire thing into consideration.
Dr No
Agreed, to be honest i don't see what all the fuss is about, tyres setup who cares? Jorge had a bad day at the office as we all do, he will be back.
Agreed, to be honest i don't see what all the fuss is about, tyres setup who cares? Jorge had a bad day at the office as we all do, he will be back.
Keshav
This is as you say a "theory". I am speculating. But I think there is merit in my speculation.
There is no doubt in my mind that Lorenzo is a phenomenal rider. His whole life from when he was a kid he has always been a winner.
But what I am saying is that Lorenzo has learned to ride these bikes as fast as they can be ridden in a particular manner. The way he has learned to extract metronomic pace that few are able to match and on many days no-one is able to match is by having complete trust in the TC. If you watch his throttle trace it always goes straight to full throttle. There is no feeding it on like say Pedrosa or Rossi. His team has a way of working that on almost every weekend they are able to work their process to come out with a TC set up that allows Lorenzo to achieve maximum pace for the entire race. I am suggesting that they are able to dial in a lap time on the set up of the electronics and Lorenzo knows how to and has complete confidence in the electronics ability to make it safe to ride the bike that way and he, with confidence, twists on full throttle and lets the electronics deliver the exact amount of power for that corner with the amount of tyre wear for that lap of the race. Hence the importance of race sims for Lorenzo.
What happens when this dialled in electronics does not match the conditions when the lights go out? Exactly what happened yesterday. I am speculating that Lorenzo can not switch quickly or at all back to riding the bike with 'his' control of the throttle feeding in the amount of power required for the conditions independently.
Keshav, you ask why it happens to no-one else. Well I speculate that no-one else suffers the same is because no-one else rides this way. No-one else has the process and the confidence or perhaps even the thought process to go about the business of winning races this way.
Perhaps Lorenzo and his team are geniuses. They have won 2 WC so far, so what ever they do must work.
Personally, I applaud people who do things differently and beat everyone by doing it. But on the flip side I find Lorenzo's style 100% boring.
I am not in the position to prove my theory. Of all of us, Krop is the only one with the best chance of proving me wrong, or right. It could be approached in a negative way or it could be approached in a ".... Lorenzo and his crew are geniuses" way. That is up to Krop if he even thinks it is worth while pursuing.
This is as you say a "theory". I am speculating. But I think there is merit in my speculation.
There is no doubt in my mind that Lorenzo is a phenomenal rider. His whole life from when he was a kid he has always been a winner.
But what I am saying is that Lorenzo has learned to ride these bikes as fast as they can be ridden in a particular manner. The way he has learned to extract metronomic pace that few are able to match and on many days no-one is able to match is by having complete trust in the TC. If you watch his throttle trace it always goes straight to full throttle. There is no feeding it on like say Pedrosa or Rossi. His team has a way of working that on almost every weekend they are able to work their process to come out with a TC set up that allows Lorenzo to achieve maximum pace for the entire race. I am suggesting that they are able to dial in a lap time on the set up of the electronics and Lorenzo knows how to and has complete confidence in the electronics ability to make it safe to ride the bike that way and he, with confidence, twists on full throttle and lets the electronics deliver the exact amount of power for that corner with the amount of tyre wear for that lap of the race. Hence the importance of race sims for Lorenzo.
What happens when this dialled in electronics does not match the conditions when the lights go out? Exactly what happened yesterday. I am speculating that Lorenzo can not switch quickly or at all back to riding the bike with 'his' control of the throttle feeding in the amount of power required for the conditions independently.
Keshav, you ask why it happens to no-one else. Well I speculate that no-one else suffers the same is because no-one else rides this way. No-one else has the process and the confidence or perhaps even the thought process to go about the business of winning races this way.
Perhaps Lorenzo and his team are geniuses. They have won 2 WC so far, so what ever they do must work.
Personally, I applaud people who do things differently and beat everyone by doing it. But on the flip side I find Lorenzo's style 100% boring.
I am not in the position to prove my theory. Of all of us, Krop is the only one with the best chance of proving me wrong, or right. It could be approached in a negative way or it could be approached in a ".... Lorenzo and his crew are geniuses" way. That is up to Krop if he even thinks it is worth while pursuing.
Kropotkin
Okay. Obviously bigger go cart tracks in Spain than we have here in Oz. how do they get anywhere near motogp speeds on go cart tracks? Just askin?
Okay. Obviously bigger go cart tracks in Spain than we have here in Oz. how do they get anywhere near motogp speeds on go cart tracks? Just askin?
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Frizzle
They don't. They don't need to. They're using supermoto bikes, and just learning to understand how a bike feels on a slippery, smooth surface.
Kropotkin
In exactly the way KRsnr used to teach them at the ranch in Spain on xl100s, as the great man said if you can slide this you can slide anything at any speed.
In exactly the way KRsnr used to teach them at the ranch in Spain on xl100s, as the great man said if you can slide this you can slide anything at any speed.
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unda cheese
I was happy to see Spies was back in form. He looked right at home with the bike. Previously he looked uncomfortable on but yesterday he looked as relaxed as someone sitting on the couch. He improved his placing as he finally was not the last prototype across the line. I suspect the chip on his shoulder is the driving force behind his recent change in form
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Living the dream in Scotland
I was pleased to see Hopper there and in good form. Hopefully see him on the Suzuki next year, Spies taking ..... to new levels since Hopper left has obviously been good for him. I'd love to see him back (in all seriousness, his BSB performances seriously changed my opinion of him), and it would be an American who would be kicking Spies arse back to Minnesota or wherever he is from.
Brilliant race, congrats to podium finishers and also to every one who manange to finish the race under difficult track conditions, shame about Yamaha boys though.
Oh and please can we stop with Cal need factory support ........, he is pretty much matching Lorenzo's pace in practice and quali do you seriously think once he got factory support he will be quicker than Lorenzo? Factory support didn't make Ben spies go any faster.
He is with Tech3 this year because of his performace last year as he failed to beat his team mate and even fisihed behind Rossi on points table.
Oh and please can we stop with Cal need factory support ........, he is pretty much matching Lorenzo's pace in practice and quali do you seriously think once he got factory support he will be quicker than Lorenzo? Factory support didn't make Ben spies go any faster.
He is with Tech3 this year because of his performace last year as he failed to beat his team mate and even fisihed behind Rossi on points table.
Mental Anarchist
We already know that Lorenzo can ride in the wet, and we know Lorenzo's crew is capable of getting the M1 into championship form. You may remember that he was schooling the field in Valencia, prior to an unexpected encounter with James Ellison. In 2012, Lorenzo had roughly the same bike and the Bridgestones were similar.
I'm of the opinion that Yamaha are already using the 2014 Spec ECU to make sure they don't let Honda dominate the 20L era. We know the spec ECU is the same basic MM hardware used by all factory teams, but the GPC probably tweaked the number of available sensors. This is the development mission Rossi has vaguely referenced on several occasions.
It was the first wet race of the season, and one of the first wet sessions. The two factory Yamahas fell to pieces. Crutchlow came second on proven kit.
Perhaps Yamaha have Lorenzo on 2013 spec equipment, and he simply got a bad tire. Maybe I'm giving Bridgestone too much credit, but I think it's more likely that Yamaha are experiencing development pains in the first wet race.
We already know that Lorenzo can ride in the wet, and we know Lorenzo's crew is capable of getting the M1 into championship form. You may remember that he was schooling the field in Valencia, prior to an unexpected encounter with James Ellison. In 2012, Lorenzo had roughly the same bike and the Bridgestones were similar.
I'm of the opinion that Yamaha are already using the 2014 Spec ECU to make sure they don't let Honda dominate the 20L era. We know the spec ECU is the same basic MM hardware used by all factory teams, but the GPC probably tweaked the number of available sensors. This is the development mission Rossi has vaguely referenced on several occasions.
It was the first wet race of the season, and one of the first wet sessions. The two factory Yamahas fell to pieces. Crutchlow came second on proven kit.
Perhaps Yamaha have Lorenzo on 2013 spec equipment, and he simply got a bad tire. Maybe I'm giving Bridgestone too much credit, but I think it's more likely that Yamaha are experiencing development pains in the first wet race.
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