Laverty back to WSBK

lil red rocket pilot said:

Do you have stats to prove it is the third most watched sport in the world?
I know far more: football golf rugby tennis and snooker watchers than the entire motogp followers in my own private circle of friends, and jeez i have met so know a lot of gp folk, but much more of the sports above are followed and watched.

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Maybe the third watched sport in Tavulia. In reality its probably outside the top 25.
Povol like to pull his facts out from assapedia, or fox news. Same .... really.
Im puzzled Povol. Your okay with every other corporation in the world paying the top few and ....... over the rest but if it doesn't benefit your self satisfaction, then it's a travesty.
The most dangerous job in the world is construction workers. They risk their lives at least 250 days a year for an average of 35k (US) and no benefits. A GP rider is on the track about 60 -80 hours per year and makes minimally 5 times more. Perspective. Besides look what happens when you pay riders 10 million a year. They get complacent and run off to go fishing. In Stoners defense fishing may be more watched than GP.
Edited to say I BJC'd GP viewership to cover my ... against an impending Litteral Walter "Gotcha!!" reply and it listed GP as 14th

povol said:

There were articles posted here back during the crisis years on how little revenue was generated per viewer compared to F1. It showed that GP was the 3rd most watched sport behind Soccer and F1 with over 300 million viewers worldwide per event, .

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I did a bit of looking around online and MotoGP is nowhere near the top 3. NFL is certainly ahead of it and I believe even things like the UFC are now ahead of it in viewer ratings.

povol said:

There were articles posted here back during the crisis years on how little revenue was generated per viewer compared to F1. It showed that GP was the 3rd most watched sport behind Soccer and F1 with over 300 million viewers worldwide per event, [im guessing that has grown] compared to F1 drawing 600 million viewers per event, [that has dropped considerably]. Anyhow, those figures were from 5 =6 years ago but GP has grown in popularity since so im assuming those figures are still close.

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F1 is 600 million per event?

More like 600 million for the entire year in 2008.

It's down to 400 million now globally.

Obviously football has the highest global appeal, but I would envisage that cricket and tennis are also massive in terms of both attendance and TV/Internet viewing figures. Basketball too, due to its popularity across both the US and China. I'd say 'Knockers is right in saying that MotoGP - indeed motorcycle racing as a whole isn't even remotely near the top 25 - in fact I'd be surprised if it even features in the top 40. What range of measures quantify popularity though? It's be interesting to compile some stats in terms of both the individual series themselves within a sport and differentiate between crowd numbers, live viewing, and highlights packages. Many people I know are avid followers of a sport but, although it sounds like a contradiction in terms, are reluctant to pay exorbitant subscription fees to watch it live. Some record it and others stream which is impossible to measure. It's always better to watch an event in real time but although I have full live coverage of BSB, Moto GP and WSB, I will often record it and watch it back if I'm busy - particularly in the case of the fly-aways.

In the UK motorcycle racing is marginalised and barely figures alongside the sports that Red detailed. Grand Prix Motorcycle racing has been that way since Sheene. When Crutchlow won at Brno, it barely warranted column space in the broadsheets and I suspect was largely ignored by television media and the tabloids. Interesting though, throughout the lat 1990s the biggest sporting event in the nation by attendance was WSBk Brands Hatch which was something in the region of a quarter of a million for the weekend. Foggy factor of course, people like to follow a winner - the GP at Donington however was pulling in a paltry tenth of that until Rossi came to the fore where in the absence of a national icon, he was adopted by the hordes. Both allowed BSB to thrive, although I'd be surprised if attendances and viewing is close to what it was a decade ago.

I would anticipate around 80,000 on race day next weekend, although the weather's looking reasonable and Rossi is competitive - so could be more.

Interesting...this places GP at 20th and higher than field hockey which greatly surprises me. Even in view of the enormous popularity of the series in Spain and Italy, I would be astonished if this ranking was accurate.

http://www.biggestglobalsports.com/

Incidentally, look in the background and you'll see Vale's utterly nauseating Fiat livery from his win at Assen 2007. I knew someone who actually adopted this colour scheme for his R6. Why???? - when he could have had this instead. Candidate for 'Kitty's 'motorporn picture thread' this...

I have the third smallest ..... on the forum

Behind who?

#22 said:

I did a bit of looking around online and MotoGP is nowhere near the top 3. NFL is certainly ahead of it and I believe even things like the UFC are now ahead of it in viewer ratings.

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You all are getting most popular confused with most watched. MMA and UFC events at best draw around 2 million viewers per event and average much less than that. The NFL draws on average 25 million per national telecast which they have 3 on Sunday's, Monday night and ,and much much less watching the regional telecast's and Thursday night, but world wide its not a sports phenom. The Super bowl was watched by approx 160 million people world wide which is huge but a drop in the bucket compared to soccer and half of what watches an average GP race. The NFL is virtually non existent outside of North America. Of that 160 million who watched the Super Bowl, something like 90% was the US and Canada. GP has HUGE viewership if the figure of 300 million per race is correct. That is the figure Krop used a few years back when Rossi was jumping to Ducati. From MotoMatters

Dorna's official figures for MotoGP's global TV audience is around 300 million for each Grand Prix, an impressive figure, and about half that of Formula One's audience of around 600 million per race. But looking at the revenue MotoGP generates from those audiences is worrying. Where MotoGP generates 200 million euros, Formula One's turnover is over $1 billion (link is external), around 780 million euros. In other words, Formula One generates four times the income from double the TV figures.



What doesnt make sense is if that many people are watching, you would think companies would be lining up to advertise anything and everything during the telecast of each race. But then again, if the majority of those people watching cant afford a can of coke, whats the use.

#22 said:

Behind who?

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The one that could answer that is no longer here. They could have also told you who has the biggest wallet.

povol said:

You all are getting most popular confused with most watched. MMA and UFC events at best draw around 2 million viewers per event and average much less than that. The NFL draws on average 25 million per national telecast which they have 3 on Sunday's, Monday night and ,and much much less watching the regional telecast's and Thursday night, but world wide its not a sports phenom. The Super bowl was watched by approx 160 million people world wide which is huge but a drop in the bucket compared to soccer and half of what watches an average GP race. The NFL is virtually non existent outside of North America. Of that 160 million who watched the Super Bowl, something like 90% was the US and Canada. GP has HUGE viewership if the figure of 300 million per race is correct. That is the figure Krop used a few years back when Rossi was jumping to Ducati. From MotoMatters

Dorna's official figures for MotoGP's global TV audience is around 300 million for each Grand Prix, an impressive figure, and about half that of Formula One's audience of around 600 million per race. But looking at the revenue MotoGP generates from those audiences is worrying. Where MotoGP generates 200 million euros, Formula One's turnover is over $1 billion (link is external), around 780 million euros. In other words, Formula One generates four times the income from double the TV figures.



What doesnt make sense is if that many people are watching, you would think companies would be lining up to advertise anything and everything during the telecast of each race. But then again, if the majority of those people watching cant afford a can of coke, whats the use.

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Ive done a bit of searching and it seems that Dorna is the only one claiming those numbers so who knows what is true. Its a bit of a conflict of interest. Sorta like putting a fox, in a fox news house.

povol said:

You all are getting most popular confused with most watched.

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Err, no...

Arrabbiata1 said:

What range of measures quantify popularity though? It's be interesting to compile some stats in terms of both the individual series themselves within a sport and differentiate between crowd numbers, live viewing, and highlights packages.

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Arrabbiata1 said:

Err, no...

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What i was getting at is these popularity polls they list on the internet all have different formula's to reach their conclusion. Not that they are wrong, but this list for instance would eliminate GP from contention on numerous fronts as they are either weak or non existent in about 8 of the the 13 categories.




If TV viewership of any sports is the criteria then Beijing Olympics 2008 was by far the most watched sporting event with over 1 Billion people tuning in at some point during the Olympics event. For us TV viewership isn’t the only criteria for a sports popularity rather it should be the number of other factors combined to get the best popularity ranking.

Criteria used

Global base & audience
TV Viewership numbers
Number Professional leagues around the world
TV rights deals
Endorsement & Sponsorship deals
Average athlete salary in top league
Biggest competition & (number of countries represented)
Social media presence
Prominence in sports headlines on media outlets (websites, tv)
Relevancy through the year
Regional dominance
Gender equality
Accessible to general public worldwide

#1 and #2 Arguably, they have a huge global base and audience with Tv viewership
#3 no
#4 terrible if the 300 million figure is true
#5 terrible " " " " " " " " " " " " " "
#6 terrible
#7 terrible
#8 As good as could be expected i guess
#9 terrible
#10 As good as could be expected
#11 Not sure
#12 virtually none but not sports fault
#13 Good

So it is possible for a sport to have huge tv viewership and not be considered popular according to this criteria. As bad as GP does in the majority of these categories, its amazing they made the top 15

UK's Sky TV is pulling around a 2.0 ratings for F1 broadcasts, yet F1 wants us to believe they are pulling around 400 million viewers globally for the races.

LOL

povol said:

You all are getting most popular confused with most watched. .

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As Arrab says, no we aren't. We just aren't fitting in with your assumption. A number of links have been posted showing that MotoGP is not the 3rd most viewed sport in the world, not by far.

Having lived outside the US, I can tell you that things like NFL and even NASCAR are far more popular than you believe. The 3 NFL games held at Wembley last year were full to capacity (90,000) compared with 115,000 average attendance of MotoGP Silverstone, so not far off.

povol said:

What i was getting at is these popularity polls they list on the internet all have different formula's to reach their conclusion. Not that they are wrong, but this list for instance would eliminate GP from contention on numerous fronts as they are either weak or non existent in about 8 of the the 13 categories.




If TV viewership of any sports is the criteria then Beijing Olympics 2008 was by far the most watched sporting event with over 1 Billion people tuning in at some point during the Olympics event. For us TV viewership isn’t the only criteria for a sports popularity rather it should be the number of other factors combined to get the best popularity ranking.

Criteria used

Global base & audience
TV Viewership numbers
Number Professional leagues around the world
TV rights deals
Endorsement & Sponsorship deals
Average athlete salary in top league
Biggest competition & (number of countries represented)
Social media presence
Prominence in sports headlines on media outlets (websites, tv)
Relevancy through the year
Regional dominance
Gender equality
Accessible to general public worldwide

#1 and #2 Arguably, they have a huge global base and audience with Tv viewership
#3 no
#4 terrible if the 300 million figure is true
#5 terrible " " " " " " " " " " " " " "
#6 terrible
#7 terrible
#8 As good as could be expected i guess
#9 terrible
#10 As good as could be expected
#11 Not sure
#12 virtually none but not sports fault
#13 Good

So it is possible for a sport to have huge tv viewership and not be considered popular according to this criteria. As bad as GP does in the majority of these categories, its amazing they made the top 15

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Are you getting your metrics from Duc?

Why laverty back to wsbk

Because he didn't want to ride a crap bike in MotoGP

#22 said:

Because he didn't want to ride a crap bike in MotoGP

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He would have agreed to a crap bike as long as it was equally crappy as his teammate.

The GP16 is a race winner, hardly a crap bike.

#22 said:

The GP16 is a race winner, hardly a crap bike.

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No wings for 17 and from most reports, the wings development is the biggest difference in the 2 bikes. Read somewhere that Ducati is testing the new 2017 without wings , and is having the same problems Honda and Suzuki are having this year, spinning and wheelies.