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Laguna race thread

Just to weigh in on the Bostrom debate (and I'm a non-American who wasn't really aware of his credentials) I think in a sense his team can be very satisfied with his weekend. Independently of what he's done on other bikes, he's brought money and attention to the team and has improved steadily throughout the weekend. Here in Spain a lot's been made of the fact that Toni's sponsors have been unhappy, and the ultimatum issued earlier in the season was on their orders. The single most important piece of information for me was this: Bostrom's fastest race lap was a 1'24.091 on a bike he hardly had time to get to know and with a crew he hadn't met till Friday, and all this on those Bridgestone tyres that continue to give even the top riders headaches. By comparison Toni Elias was only capable of a 1'24.200 in the race. When we look back on Toni's time in MotoGP I think we'll see this race not as the beginning of the end (he's never settled in on the GP bikes since they stopped custom-building his rear tyres) but as the first nail in the coffin. Why? Because Elias insists that it's the bike that's a fault, but now we have a rider who (unlike Elias) has never really won anything but is able to step in and beat Toni (over a single lap, and passing him in the race) with almost no preparation.



I feel bad for Elias, and it's never pleasant to see a rider suffer because of equipment issues rather than talent issues (eg almost anyone on a Ducati, Michelin riders in the last season with two tyre manufacturers, etc.). Where can the lad go now?





To WSBK with Kawasaki ?
 
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to be very honest I havent seen the last race
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but if some here are saying laguna was the best Im not sure if I want to bother with rewatching sachsenring





Mari,



Watch Saschenring, you will not be disappointed







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'lil red rocket pilot'...we were watching Laguna 2011 whatrace were you watching
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If you weren't pleased by Laguna then you must be a bopper of some sort…and that was a real pass at the corkscrew not like some other guy (I won'tmention his name)


Great race and as per my predictions, I picked the boxed trifecta

and I had $200AUD on CS for as win with bwin
@ $3.50 I should have taken a trifecta but it'sgood enough and that is putting your balls where your money is!




Great race and good ride by Jlo also and what I really respectand appreciate to see about CS, Jlo and Pedro is that they respect and are friendlywith each other and I must include Dovi, Spies also, great to see and let thebest man win every race from now on and the W/C and lets have every race like Sachsenringand Laguna!




Take a chill pill buddy!

Yes I was watching laguna like the rest of you. My comment about germany was not a dig at stoner for coming third. It was more that the racing there was much more exciting with three different groups of riders all having there own battles all through the grid pretty much from begining to end.

Bopper!? If following Cal and Sic makes me a bopper then I'm a bopper. Oh woe what am I going to do!!!!!
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Great race Stoner's pass on Pedrosa was phenomenal just a shame Lorenzo was not 100% as I think we may have witnessed an epic battle for 1st.
 
Just to make another point about Stoner's achievements so far this season, it should be remembered that this is his first year on the factory Honday, while his competitors have at least a couple of seasons experience with their bikes, and therefore set-up data from previous seasons at the race tracks.

He and his team could get a lot better at setting up the bike with more time with it.
 
Hi there, first post. Been on the forum for a long time and have finally joined up!



Awesome race to watch. Stoner, Lorenzo and Pedrosa typically fast. Awesome pass by Stoner, doing a Lorenzo on Lorenzo!

I love how the front guys race so hard but manage to keep it clean, makes for a lot better race with fewer excuses.



Couple of things:

Capirossi has no business in MotoGP anymore. Move over and let a younger guy in.

Elias is done, cannot believe he is still in the team. Off to WSBK.

Cannot believe Hayden could be upset with Valentino for not letting him through. I love Hayden and know it wouldnt be wise for him to take Rossi out, but for Gods sake man up and put the move on!

Spies isnt having the most successful season so far but give him time. He will be a weapon on the 1000's next year with his superbike experience and aggressive riding style.

Also, Ben Bostrom embarrassed himself today, what a waste of time!



I think Stoner has the title this year, he has won at all of the remaining GP's over the years, and he looks very hungry for it. Also interesting to note that after 10 rounds he has about the same amount of points as he did in 07. Time will tell
 
Just to make another point about Stoner's achievements so far this season, it should be remembered that this is his first year on the factory Honday, while his competitors have at least a couple of seasons experience with their bikes, and therefore set-up data from previous seasons at the race tracks.

He and his team could get a lot better at setting up the bike with more time with it.



You make a very good point above that TBH I haven't even considering his results to date, even more kudos to him !
 
Bopper!? If following Cal and Sic makes me a bopper then I'm a bopper. Oh woe what am I going to do!!!!!
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The bopper thing surely is very tired, and imo was lame from the start.



Following cal and sic doesn't make you a bopper, but following sic in particular does make you either a supreme optimist or a masochist. Dani's comment to the effect of more hair than brains is looking very apposite; whether or not he was deserving of condemnation for the dani incident (probably not imo) dnfing 6 or whatever out of 10 races is a habit, not a series of unfortunate accidents, particularly in his second year and on a reputedly full factory bike.
 
I think he always does give them credit, I meant it more for the fans who were a bit down yesterday for the qualie. His crew should start getting some of the types of recognition that JB gets when he finds Rossi a few magical tenths here and there. They gave him a great package and he had a great strategy for the race, great tire management and hope the issues with the tires are solved.

Lex has been correct (imo) from the left field before, I still wonder whether running out of tyres or fuel is the major problem, particularly since even dani has had problems with fuel in previous years, stoner ran out of fuel on the warm down lap in one of his earlier victories, and spies was going strong apparently on a soft tyre at the end of the race



Perhaps his team have found a set-up that gives him enough performance yet doesn't use as much fuel. From a physics point of view going less hard early when the bike is heavier would seem likely to assist in this matter as well as helping tyre wear.
 
Great race!! (I'm late as usual
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It's a good thing Horhey is such a great rider,otherwise there would have been more of a run away race probarbly.

Poor Nicky.Had he been ahead of Rossi the first corner he would have pulled away.I'm sure of it,as he seemed faster but couldn't pass without a big risk.

2 great races in a row now to watch.Brno might be different perhaps.But as Mugello was tighter than atleast I expected,there might be great races the rest of the season!
 
The bopper thing surely is very tired, and imo was lame from the start.



Following cal and sic doesn't make you a bopper, but following sic in particular does make you either a supreme optimist or a masochist. Dani's comment to the effect of more hair than brains is looking very apposite; whether or not he was deserving of condemnation for the dani incident (probably not imo) dnfing 6 or whatever out of 10 races is a habit, not a series of unfortunate accidents, particularly in his second year and on a reputedly full factory bike.



I fully agree with you there Sic getting a good ride next year get smaller every time he throws it down the road. TBH I thought he'd have got his head round it by now, perhaps it really is his hair thats getting in the way
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I also think he has a championship title in him, he needs to take a step back and progress forward in tiny steps instead of his bull in a china shop approach.

Also I dont think the fuel mapping does him any favours come raceday WHEN! he finishes.
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Great race!! (I'm late as usual
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It's a good thing Horhey is such a great rider,otherwise there would have been more of a run away race probarbly.

Poor Nicky.Had he been ahead of Rossi the first corner he would have pulled away.I'm sure of it,as he seemed faster but couldn't pass without a big risk.

2 great races in a row now to watch.Brno might be different perhaps.But as Mugello was tighter than atleast I expected,there might be great races the rest of the season!





Ah that would explain why he must have said something to Rossi. I guess it one thing to hold up the opposition team members as Rossi does, but generally one would think if your team mate looked like he could outpace you one would be a bit more willing to let them pass. Then again there is a lot at stake these days when Hayden beats Rossi
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RACE OF THE CENTURY!!



Stoner backing it into the corkscrew !!!





Adriana was white when Stoner overtook Lorenzo!



The crowd seemed to appreciate "the pass" of the century.



What a ride .... I've never seen better.



Thats why Stoner owns Laguna



Thats why Stoner won "the corkscrew incident" in 08!



Thats why Stoner is THE REAL GOAT!!!















The anti-jinx works Michael
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You must be some kind of Cyclops with tunnel vision to boot





RACE OF THE CENTURY!!

Get real - Stoner was good and dominated the 2nd half - the race apart from the Stoner - Pedro - Lollo moves was BORING







Stoner backing it into the corkscrew !!!

Stoner on Pedro was a gooooood move





Adriana was white when Stoner overtook Lorenzo!



She always looks white and a bit sickly



The crowd seemed to appreciate "the pass" of the century.

Two good clean passes - timing was good "pass of the Century" get real



What a ride .... I've never seen better.

You must not have watched much racing



Thats why Stoner owns Laguna

He's won twice - out of how many - about 6 - that makes him one third of king so far



Thats why Stoner won "the corkscrew incident" in 08!

He lost the incident, the race, the championship in 08



Thats why Stoner is THE REAL GOAT!!!

He could be in the running - in about 10 years we could make an educated and objective call
 
Also I dont think the fuel mapping does him any favours come raceday WHEN! he finishes.
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Sure, I think the honda is marginal for fuel economy for stoner as well, and speculation that sic has had his power turned in recent races which you may be agreeing with is not outlandish imo.
 
Wow!!!!!! What a race.Casey ???......to coin a phrase from Povol.......`Balls like church bells`.Fantastic.
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Ah that would explain why he must have said something to Rossi. I guess it one thing to hold up the opposition team members as Rossi does, but generally one would think if your team mate looked like he could outpace you one would be a bit more willing to let them pass. Then again there is a lot at stake these days when Hayden beats Rossi
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Joking right?



Why would anyone let anyone else pass regardless of wether it was a team mate, unless team orders.



Isnt one of the golden rules the first person you have to beat is your team mate, if hayden was faster he should have found a way to overtake, like stoner did on pedrosa.
 
Over at crash.net, there are numerous Rossi fans who so wish that Rossi was back on the Yamaha. They are not saying they wish he was back on the Yamaha, but they are going to great lengths to convince everyone that Yamaha is "wasting" the bike that Spies rides and deserves a better rider, wink , wink. They dont come right out and say it, or who they think should be on it, but its obvious what they are thinking. One ..... even says Spies barely beat Dovi, who is riding a bike that handles like a camel. He obviously forgot that one of those camels had just won the race. They are a funny lot over there, some know a little about the sport, but in general, they are clueless bandwagon fans. Even though i partially agree that Spies position should be a little better, by years end, he will probably be about where most predicted he would be. In my day, being 4th best in the world on a given day at any activity was a good thing. What do you guys think, is Yamaha 'wasting' a factory bike on Spies. If so, who would you put on it. Dont say Rossi, he walked away from the bike, he could be riding it if he wanted to.
 
In my day, being 4th best in the world on a given day at any activity was a good thing. What do you guys think, is Yamaha 'wasting' a factory bike on Spies. If so, who would you put on it. Dont say Rossi, he walked away from the bike, he could be riding it if he wanted to.



Hopper was the worlds 4th best rider in 2007 and nobody really cares. But Spies has won a race already and i think that will be more memorable, even though he'll likely finish the year in 5th. As for who else could be on that bike... there was and is no better choice.
 
Motogp is the pinnacle of motor racing. Within this class, there is a small subset of 4 riders that have the ability to go significantly faster than the rest of the field. The best of the best, the way it should be.

Honda and Yamaha together field 5 full factory machines. These are the bikes that are able to win championships. One of the 4 riders has chosen to burn his bridges with both Honda and Yamaha. This leaves 2 open factory seats.

Looking at the way season went so far, I'd say the remaining 2 factory bikes are in the hands of those that are most deserving of them. Dovi may not be one of the blindingly quick ones, he always manages to finish just behind them and he's very consistent. Spies had a bit of rough start to the season but unlike other, more hairy riders, he is redeeming himself. Both of these guys will be there to pick up the pieces if anything goes wrong with the real front runners.



As for the rest of the field, there is none among them who I feel is particularly deserving of a Honda/Yamaha factory seat. Especially not knowing that the likes of Bradl and Marquez are in the waiting room.There are some riders I'd like to see on a better bike though, like RdP, Bautista and Abraham. Come to think of it, when I remember last season, I can't help but think what would have been if RdP would have had the factory spec Honda this year, rather than Simonchelli.
 
What do you guys think, is Yamaha 'wasting' a factory bike on Spies. If so, who would you put on it. Dont say Rossi, he walked away from the bike, he could be riding it if he wanted to.





Yea crash is the site I left when I found out about powerslide
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I'd love to see what Stoner could do on the Yamaha. I wouldn't want him to leave Honda for it, just let him have a day or two at a race track with the M1.

There'll be a year where the rookies from Moto2 have to ride in the satellite teams, but after that we'll have a few candidates for the rides
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