So every rider who has ever had arm pump surgery or getten a tummy ache has been on an extreme diet, do you even know what causes arm pump? lmao, who doesn't get sick every now and then especially when traveling the world and being exposed to so much. Do you watch any other sports or live amongst any mere mortal humans, I assure you we all get sick every once and a while. I'm 5'11" and I weigh 155lbs I didn't get sick at all last year while I was running all over Iraq but I sure as .... got sick this year, I think it was some tacos I ate. I watch what I eat to stay slim and competitive with the young guys, I'm in the military(part time now) and when I was an active duty marine I only weighed 150lbs, I wasn't malnourished. I could only imagine if you and kesh came to visit you would be scratching your heads and wondering how all these skinny little scouts could go on 20 mile marches with all kinds of .... hanging off us and always come in first. I indulge in massive amounts of cheesecake every now and then but not everyday because being slow and fat isn't good for the career.
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So every rider who has ever had arm pump surgery or getten a tummy ache has been on an extreme diet, do you even know what causes arm pump? lmao, who doesn't get sick every now and then especially when traveling the world and being exposed to so much. Do you watch any other sports or live amongst any mere mortal humans, I assure you we all get sick every once and a while. I'm 5'11" and I weigh 155lbs I didn't get sick at all last year while I was running all over Iraq but I sure as .... got sick this year, I think it was some tacos I ate. I watch what I eat to stay slim and competitive with the young guys, I'm in the military(part time now) and when I was an active duty marine I only weighed 150lbs, I wasn't malnourished. I could only imagine if you and kesh came to visit you would be scratching your heads and wondering how all these skinny little scouts could go on 20 mile marches with all kinds of .... hanging off us and always come in first. I indulge in massive amounts of cheesecake every now and then but not everyday because being slow and fat isn't good for the career.
Bostrom is .... HEAD!!! How can you give a guy lioke thisany other chance on the premium class after what he said in his interview afterhe ...... up??? His priorities are not to get to the top class he just wants tobe ordinary and stay where he is…F___K OFF Mr Bostrom and stay where you are..uhaven’t and will never bring the sights that Stoner, JLo or Pedro or anyone in Motogpwill bring to the sport!!! F__K OFF!!!
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My god in heaven, he wasnt racing against Casey Stoner, Valentino Rossi, and Jorge Lorenzo in the AMA and WSBK . The level of talent has risen, like jumping from college to the pro's, everything gets a little tougher. I really cant beleive you would compare the two. I guess every hot shot that dominates a college sport and struggles as a pro has some kind of mental malnourishment issue.
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Stalemate my ....
I have presented relevant facts. Show me any medical journal that says some people do not suffer when malnourished.
It always was speculation Tom. I made that clear right from the get-go.
As to him being in a better position to know - this is a meaningless statement. Problem solving capacity is not something one measures
with a thermometer. Spies has never said anything to contradict my theory. Such a thing wouldn't normally come up in the course of the
usual journo-fluff interviews he does.
As relates to "most of the evidence" I again ask; what evidence are you speaking of? If anything... Spies' inability to do well at the beginning of the race - after a season and a half - supports my theory - rather than defeats it.
You have presented nothing when it come to one Ben Spies. In fact, the contradictory data presented to you is much more palpable.
He has also never said anything that would even come close to qualifying your theory, In fact, he has spelled out his problem in great detail , it is actually on the oppisite end of any spectrum you want to invent
That may be the most bizarre thing you have said yet. Keep on clinging bro
I dont think Ben and Nicky are malnourished, skinny yeah but MALNOURISHED definately not.
The reason Spies is not winning is like many have stated earlier, the others are faster.
It doesnt matter how many races or championships he won in AMA and WSBK, the MotoGP level is higher.
Thats why only 3 guys can currently win on any given weekend.
The reason Spies is not winning is like many have stated earlier, the others are faster.
It doesnt matter how many races or championships he won in AMA and WSBK, the MotoGP level is higher.
Thats why only 3 guys can currently win on any given weekend.
Ok let’s compare Stoner to Sipes??? Sorry there is NOCOMPARISON but I will still give you the statistics from QP and race results.Here we go:
LOSAIL
QP = Stoner - 1[sup]st[/sup] – Spies - 5[sup]th[/sup] /Race Stoner - 1[sup]st[/sup] / Spies - 6[sup]th[/sup]
Jerez
QP = Stoner - 1[sup]st[/sup] / Spies - 4[sup]th[/sup] /Race = Stoner / Spies – DNF
Estoril
QP = Stoner - 4[sup]th[/sup] / Spies - 5[sup]th[/sup] /Race = Stoner – 3[sup]rd[/sup] / Spies – DNF
Le Mans
QP = Stoner – 1[sup]st[/sup] / Spies – 8[sup]th[/sup] /Race = Stoner – 1[sup]st[/sup] / Spies – 6[sup]th[/sup]
Catalunya
QP = Stoner – 2[sup]nd[/sup] / Spies – 4[sup]th[/sup] /Race = Stoner – 1[sup]st[/sup] / Spies – 3[sup]rd[/sup]
Silverstone
QP = Stoner – 1[sup]st[/sup] / Spies – 4[sup]th[/sup]/Race = Stoner – 1[sup]st[/sup] / Spies – DNF
Assen
QP = Spies – 2[sup]nd[/sup] / Stoner – 3[sup]rd[/sup] /Race = Spies – 1[sup]st[/sup] / Stoner – 2[sup]nd[/sup]
Mugello
QP = Stoner – 1[sup]st[/sup] / Spies – 2[sup]nd[/sup] /Race = Stoner – 3[sup]rd[/sup] / Spies – 4[sup]th[/sup]
Sachsenring
QP = Stoner – 1[sup]st[/sup] / Spies – 5[sup]th[/sup] /Race = Stoner - 3[sup]rd[/sup] / Spies – 5[sup]th[/sup]
Laguna Seca
QP = Stoner – 2[sup]nd[/sup] / Spies – 4[sup]th[/sup] /Race = Stoner – 1[sup]st[/sup] / Spies – 4[sup]th[/sup]
How can you ever compare Spies with Stoner???
There is a difference between someone who is underweight as a consequence of their profession, and someone who is intentionally underweight in the name of their profession. You need to stop struggling with the cultural implications of being underweight, and accept that all of the negative side effects of excessive dieting are present in MotoGP. Arm pump isn't one of the side effects so keep reading 'til you figure it out what I was talking about. You have to read the preceding sentence if you want it to make sense. Most of my posts work that way.
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First of all lets leave your imaginary friend out of this.
Secondly - the discussion centers on Spies - not every other person who might possibly fit his profile in some vague way.
The theory was advanced with regards to an extremely talented rider - who showed a lot of promise, and who is no longer
a rookie. And bare in mind he's regularly been more competitive than a number of other more experienced riders, including
several former world champions from the 250 class including Simoncelli who is riding what is said to be the most competitive
bike this year. He has regularly out ridden Edwards who is vastly more experienced too. Yet after a season and a half - he
has yet to grasp the techniques for making good starts and keeping with the front of the pack - a cognitive deficiency that
is very much at odds with the Ben Spies who went out in WSBK and kicked ... regularly at tracks he'd never seen before.
Again - for the hundredth time - it's just a theory. That you should with your usual narrow-mindedness reject it out of hand while offering such weak counter-arguments tells me you're only engaging in pettifogging out of pure cussedness - which with you - is par for the course. With you it's always my way or the highway with no room for any possibilities other than those that fit your impoverished and unimaginative view of the world around you.
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Doohan's reputation was he trained more than anyone and actually used this to his advanatage - I can outwork you mentality. But even with premature grey hair caused by malnutrition he still managed to win 5 titles. People might not believe it but excercise is actually good for the mind. Runners euphorium. Its what enabled humans to survive as a species and outrun the dinosours when they were trying to eat us.
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Doohan's reputation was he trained more than anyone and actually used this to his advanatage - I can outwork you mentality. But even with premature grey hair caused by malnutrition he still managed to win 5 titles. People might not believe it but excercise is actually good for the mind. Runners euphorium. Its what enabled humans to survive as a species and outrun the dinosours when they were trying to eat us.
That must be what saved Adam and Eve's collective ......
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In all seriousness if there's even a 0.1% chance riders are trying to lose weight and risk malnutrition because they see the fuel restrictions as limiting their ability to compete against Pedro and co then they need to drop the fuel thing in a hurry, or compensate heavier riders with more fuel. More weight = burn more fuel = go slower. We need a level playing field in that regard. Who wants motogp to be midget only?
YES...but Spies is on factory Yamahaaa and hes got a greatcrew and backing!!! DON’T EVER FORGET THAT!!! What would have happened if JLowas on Ducati??? NOTHING & HE WOULD BE WORST THAN VR!!! Please consider allthe facts and figures!!!
Don’t....for heaven sake....any team in Motogp give Ben Bostrom another chance!!! This guy is a ....... he DOES NOT respect Motogpor if any team should give him a CHANCE thenthere just as BIGGER fuckwits as he IS!!!
.... OFF Bostrom!!! You’rean imposter and that IS ALL YOU ARE!!!
.... OFF Bostrom!!! You’rean imposter and that IS ALL YOU ARE!!!
I don't think there is much doubt that several of the naturally bigger riders, spies, hayden and latterly rossi are underweight; they have certainly reduced their weight compared to earlier in their careers when being significantly heavier did not seem to impede them from winning world championships etc, and so I think it is also reasonable to blame it on the necessities, perceived or otherwise, of the current (stupid) formula. I strongly doubt they are going to disclose their real weights either since it seems to be a sensitive topic. The fact that many endurance athletes have low body weight because it aids them professionally doesn't mean they are not underweight as well; they not infrequently have physiological disturbances like amenorrhoea and being prone to osteoporosis in female distance runners, and I believe there is data which suggests immune suppression, not that I am well informed about the latter.
It is fairly basic biochemistry and physiology that supplying energy to the brain is an extreme priority in human metabolism. Whether ben spies has starved himself to the point of relying on ketone bodies for brain metabolism during racing is another question; I would tend to doubt it but I guess it is not impossible. Keshav's nutritionist wife and mdubstylie would likely be better informed than most doctors, and me in particular.
I do think it is possible that his early race problems are due to the current (stupid) bridgestone tyres, so I guess whether he improves on next year's supposedly better tyres if he stays at his current weight may be instructive.
Stalemate my ....
I have presented relevant facts. Show me any medical journal that says some people do not suffer when malnourished.
It always was speculation Tom. I made that clear right from the get-go.
As to him being in a better position to know - this is a meaningless statement. Problem solving capacity is not something one measures
with a thermometer. Spies has never said anything to contradict my theory. Such a thing wouldn't normally come up in the course of the
usual journo-fluff interviews he does.
As relates to "most of the evidence" I again ask; what evidence are you speaking of? If anything... Spies' inability to do well at the beginning of the race - after a season and a half - supports my theory - rather than defeats it.
I didn't say that some people don't suffer when they are malnourished, i said that some peoplel simply are not malnourished. It isn't complicated. Your relevant facts only prove that the condition exists and that some people do have it. You could just as easily diagnose ben with anorexia or any other disease you like from where you are sitting, he's never actually said that he doesn't have cancer
Classic lex, you must get seriously bored because you are always the same. Searching for some kind of 'evil' in any situation even if you have to abandon logic and reason. Ben's mind might not be as sharp as some big fat-... proffesor of quantum physics, but he doesn't need it to be. Bens body and mind are tuned for the best possible performance for racing motorcycles. I have no doubt he has a good doctor and a trainer, perhaps these people know less about the subject than you and Kesh, perhaps they are actually in on it, they work for Dorna and they are trying to keep Ben down? Get ....... real.
Your claims are about as valid as watching Bens bike on the TV and suggesting setup changes to improve his laptime. Can you imagine the ridiculing you'd get if you posted 'Ben would be quicker if he had 1mm of extra rear ride height and 2 clicks less compression damping in his forks'. But that would be equally as valid. I don't know if you are God Squad or something but it doesn't fly in science to try and convince people something is true on the basis that they can't prove it's not.
you guys that are going ON ABOUT DIETS are OFF YOUR HEADS>>.\ARE YOU ON DRUGS OR SOME SORTS??
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Really???
200MPH, balancing out fuel consumption and tire wear considerations, adjusting to surface conditions in different parts of the track, making moment-by-moment decisions regarding braking markers, and calculating where, when and how to pass this or that rider, making multiple split second judgements per second regarding the "feel" of the tire and on top of it storing away as much info as possible to bring back to the crew chief for post race debrief - he doesn't need his mind to be overly sharp?
Again - remember - I never stated this as an absolute FACT - only a theory.
And remember Tom, doctors are fallible. The hot-.... big-time doctors who everyone trusted to maintain Stoner's health not so long ago were for months, mystified by his illness - which it turned out was a result of "A FLAWED DIET". And they only became aware of the issue with his nutrient intake because the detriment from the diet was so dramatically obvious. Issues of subtle decreases in brain function are not as easy to detect as vomiting in one's helmet.
The human body - and the brain in particular - are both much more complicated to set-up and adjust than a motorcycle.
Any diet extreme enough to cause dramatic weight loss is bound to have some unexpected negative side-effects.
