Laguna race thread

[Andy Roo]

In all seriousness if there's even a 0.1% chance riders are trying to lose weight and risk malnutrition because they see the fuel restrictions as limiting their ability to compete against Pedro and co then they need to drop the fuel thing in a hurry, or compensate heavier riders with more fuel. More weight = burn more fuel = go slower. We need a level playing field in that regard. Who wants motogp to be midget only?

Is being strangely attracted to midget .... any indication for racing?

 

[Tom]

1. he doesn't need his mind to be overly sharp?



2. And remember Tom, doctors are fallible.



3. The human body - and the brain in particular - are both much more complicated to set-up and adjust than a motorcycle.

1. Not nearly in the same sense a chess player, scientist or philosopher do, its horses for courses.



2. Yes they are, but that doesn't mean you know more than them



3. All the more reason why your armchair view of the situation is such a crock.

 

[Tom]

1. he doesn't need his mind to be overly sharp?



2. And remember Tom, doctors are fallible.



3. The human body - and the brain in particular - are both much more complicated to set-up and adjust than a motorcycle.

1. Not nearly in the same sense a chess player, scientist or philosopher do, its horses for courses.



2. Yes they are, but that doesn't mean you know more than them



3. All the more reason why your armchair view of the situation is such a crock.

 

[Tom]

We need a level playing field in that regard. Who wants motogp to be midget only?

The best rider of the last 10 years is the biggest guy on the grid, there is nothing wrong with being small

 

[povol]

Classic lex, you must get seriously bored because you are always the same. Searching for some kind of 'evil' in any situation even if you have to abandon logic and reason. Ben's mind might not be as sharp as some big fat-... proffesor of quantum physics, but he doesn't need it to be. Bens body and mind are tuned for the best possible performance for racing motorcycles. I have no doubt he has a good doctor and a trainer, perhaps these people know less about the subject than you and Kesh, perhaps they are actually in on it, they work for Dorna and they are trying to keep Ben down? Get ....... real.



Your claims are about as valid as watching Bens bike on the TV and suggesting setup changes to improve his laptime. Can you imagine the ridiculing you'd get if you posted 'Ben would be quicker if he had 1mm of extra rear ride height and 2 clicks less compression damping in his forks'. But that would be equally as valid. I don't know if you are God Squad or something but it doesn't fly in science to try and convince people something is true on the basis that they can't prove it's not.

Winner

 

[povol]

First of all lets leave your imaginary friend out of this.



Secondly - the discussion centers on Spies - not every other person who might possibly fit his profile in some vague way.

The theory was advanced with regards to an extremely talented rider - who showed a lot of promise, and who is no longer

a rookie. And bare in mind he's regularly been more competitive than a number of other more experienced riders, including

several former world champions from the 250 class including Simoncelli who is riding what is said to be the most competitive

bike this year. He has regularly out ridden Edwards who is vastly more experienced too. Yet after a season and a half - he

has yet to grasp the techniques for making good starts and keeping with the front of the pack - a cognitive deficiency that

is very much at odds with the Ben Spies who went out in WSBK and kicked ... regularly at tracks he'd never seen before.



Again - for the hundredth time - it's just a theory. That you should with your usual narrow-mindedness reject it out of hand while offering such weak counter-arguments tells me you're only engaging in pettifogging out of pure cussedness - which with you - is par for the course. With you it's always my way or the highway with no room for any possibilities other than those that fit your impoverished and unimaginative view of the world around you.

Because your mind lives in a fantasy land of opium dens and Ravi Shankar music, does not mean everyone around you is unimaginative. It means your high, and everyone else is normal. In case you have not noticed, the consensus amongst your peers is that your theory on Ben Spies lack of performance in the first 3-4 laps of a race is nonsense. The more you defend it, the more nonsensical it becomes. Of course in your fantasy world, you have no peers, right.

 

[Keshav]

1. Not nearly in the same sense a chess player, scientist or philosopher do, its horses for courses.



2. Yes they are, but that doesn't mean you know more than them



3. All the more reason why your armchair view of the situation is such a crock.

1. Wholly debatable. A chess player essentially only works in two dimensions and is not required to make multiple snap decisions nor is balance and fine motor control a factor. I'd say a GP Racer's requirements are much higher.



2. While I am not doctor (and I don't play one on TV) - your point is meaningless - as there are no doctors here in this debate who are disagreeing with me.



3. Having over the years been afflicted by some very serious health issues of my own - I can attest to having been repeatedly mis-diagnosed by some of the top doctors in New York - much to my detriment, where in the end, I ended up over time coming up with more useful diagnosis and ultimately got well on my own despite incompetency of the physicians I wasted so much money on. My experience with diet and nutritional issues are far from being of the "arm chair" variety.

 

[Keshav]

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Because your mind lives in a fantasy land of opium dens and Ravi Shankar music, does not mean everyone around you is unimaginative. It means your high, and everyone else is normal. In case you have not noticed, the consensus amongst your peers is that your theory on Ben Spies lack of performance in the first 3-4 laps of a race is nonsense. The more you defend it, the more nonsensical it becomes. Of course in your fantasy world, you have no peers, right.

I know of no fantasy world in which I'd consider you and Tom to be my peers. I'm not especially exalted as regards my place on evolutionary scale; I'm pretty normal. It's just that you and Tom appear to be more in the "sub" category.

 

[Keshav]

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[Keshav]

Bubble

 

[povol]

1. Wholly debatable. A chess player essentially only works in two dimensions and is not required to make multiple snap decisions nor is balance and fine motor control a factor. I'd say a GP Racer's requirements are much higher.



2. While I am not doctor (and I don't play one on TV) - your point is meaningless - as there are no doctors here in this debate how are disagreeing with me.



3. Having over the years been afflicted by some very serious health issues of my own - I can attest to having been repeatedly mis-diagnosed by some of the top doctors in New York - much to my detriment, where in the end, I ended up over time coming up

with more useful diagnosis and ultimately got well on my own despite incompetency of the physicians I wasted so much money on.

My experience with diet and nutritional issues are far from being of the "arm chair" variety.

Thats not 100% correct, our resident doctor,{ who has to be the most diplomatic person ive ever seen], agrees, as everyone else does, that nutrition is a major part of mental health, yet he does not back your theory that Ben Spies has a neurological disorder that is causing him to under perform in the first few laps of a race

 

[povol]

I know of no fantasy world in which I'd consider you and Tom to be my peers. I'm not especially exalted as regards my place on evolutionary scale; I'm pretty normal. It's just that you and Tom appear to be more in the "sub" category.

There are many people on here a hell of a lot smarter than me, Tom being one, that think your theory is nonsense. I would be interested to know who you think is at your intellectual level.

 

[Keshav]

There are many people on here a hell of a lot smarter than me, Tom being one, that think your theory is nonsense. I would be interested to know who you think is at your intellectual level.

Wow! Talk about understatement. Takes my breath away.

 

[320IDave]

Them going to be 3 long weeks................





Chess or Motorcicling ?

 

[Goatboy]

This is some funny ....!

 

[povol]

Yes - but I have always been a skinny guy. My weight is appropriate to my metabolism. I'm not thin because of excessive

dietary regimens. In fact I'm pretty much the same height and weight as Stoner. The snap below was shot three months ago. You should only hope to look this good when you turn 59.

I haven't seen photos of him - but if the reports of those who spotted him at Indy are reasonably accurate

- I won't be doing anything soon that might cause me to resemble Pov. If fact I'd love to see him post a

a current photo of himself. Something tells me he won't; I think it's some kind of Klan regulation.

Its been bugging the .... out of me because i just knew i had seen this picture before, then it hit me. I couldnt place it because it was just half of the picture











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[Keshav]

Its been bugging the .... out of me because i just knew i had seen this picture before, then it hit me. I couldnt place it because it was just half of the picture.

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That's the best you can come up with? Take a nap Pov and try again later.

 

[BarryMachine]

So ........ did anyone hear ....... Casey Stoner PownED at Laguna.

 

[Bunyip]

Thats not 100% correct, our resident doctor,{ who has to be the most diplomatic person ive ever seen], agrees, as everyone else does, that nutrition is a major part of mental health, yet he does not back your theory that Ben Spies has a neurological disorder that is causing him to under perform in the first few laps of a race

I don,t remember making that statement here, but I would certainly back it up.

(forgive me Michael., I couldn,t resist. You probably even have a phD . I don,t)

 

[birdman]

The best rider of the last 10 years is the biggest guy on the grid, there is nothing wrong with being small

Thats the point, lets keep it that way, get rid of fuel restrictions. The intent of fuel restrictions was to slow down the bikes. An unwanted side effect might be it slows down bigger guys more than smaller. Now the engineer has to calculate the fuel required to the nearest millilitre to get the combined mass of rider and bike to the finish. To compensate for more rider weight they would run the engine leaner I guess? So it could be an advantage to weight less. Therefore riders like Spies and Hayden have lost weight.