Jorge could and should still win the title

Radha · Sep 17, 2015

I'm sure most of you think I am crazy but Jorge still could win this championship. The pressure is now on Rossi. He hasn't crashed yet this year. All riders crash at least one race per year. What Jorge needs to do is run Rossi off the track and disguise it as a race incident. Race direction does not exist for the top three riders. They will ignore it like they always do. We have seen Rossi and Marquez do this numerous times with no repercussions. Lets see if Jorge has the heart to do what it takes to win

levigarrett · Sep 17, 2015

JL could win. Rossi however has been doing what he does best. He's not the fastest but he may be the smartest. I doubt he'll crash unless someone else takes him out. He's extremely safe and does nothing without first considering the outcome. He knows he doesn't need to win every race. He needs only to maintain his points advantage. All signs point to him doing this, particularly if more poor weather is on the horizon.

I bet we don't see Rossi getting anywhere near Marc for the remainder of the season. The only guy he'd be willing to race hard is Lorenzo who isn't necessarily the most aggressive rider on the grid. It will be entertaining no matter what. I actually think Marc will win the majority of the remaining races.

Mick D · Sep 17, 2015

Jorge wins by running away. Battles put Rossi in control. Very bad strategy idea for JLo... but you're welcome to try again.

Radha · Sep 17, 2015

Mick D said:
Jorge wins by running away. Battles put Rossi in control. Very bad strategy idea for JLo... but you're welcome to try again.

That's not realistic. He can't run away in every race. Even if he could, there's no way he can make up the points needed without putting Rossi on the ground.

Mick D · Sep 17, 2015

Exactly the point.

MdubSTYLIE · Sep 17, 2015

Mick D said:
Jorge wins by running away. Battles put Rossi in control. Very bad strategy idea for JLo... but you're welcome to try again.

He tried that .... in Valencia a couple years ago. He rode like Hector, Alvaro, Andrea, an Marc all rolled into one, should have cost him 8 points on his driver license.

Mick D · Sep 17, 2015

Not that he can't... but Rossi has been the battle meister lately... don't see the rough-stuff helping George.

#22 · Sep 17, 2015

Radha said:
That's not realistic. He can't run away in every race. Even if he could, there's no way he can make up the points needed without putting Rossi on the ground.

So you're advocating him punting Rossi off?

Arrabbiata1 · Sep 17, 2015

Buenos Aries, Argentina 1998. :ninja:

Jorge could indeed ram Rossi off the track, win the title - and who knows? Given a bizarre quirk of circumstance and an extreme dose of irony, may even end up in a cosy role as Safety Advisor to Dorna post retirement.

littlesparrows · Sep 18, 2015

After watching "hitting the apex" - JLo is clearly the safety police. I doubt you'll see him purposefully shoving Rossi out of the way. Plus, he's timid in rain & if you battle too much with him on the track I feel like sometimes he backs off if he feels like it's becoming too aggressive & unsafe.

#22 · Sep 18, 2015

JLo used to be a force in the wet, he was one of the few not to crash out in Jerez 2011 on an absolutely bal rear tyre. I think that Assen 2013 practice off really knocked his confidence in the wet.

Dr No · Sep 18, 2015

littlesparrows said:
After watching "hitting the apex" - JLo is clearly the safety police. I doubt you'll see him purposefully shoving Rossi out of the way. Plus, he's timid in rain & if you battle too much with him on the track I feel like sometimes he backs off if he feels like it's becoming too aggressive & unsafe.

Naah.
When he was ChuppaChup head, he was super bargey. I don't think he's lost that.
As for the wet, I suspect his style may not be that great in conditions of changing traction. Sepang a couple of years back was ridiculously wet, he did alright (put his hand up though....)

littlesparrows · Sep 18, 2015

That's all fine and good. But I haven't seen him as aggressive these more recent past years. And honestly, now with the last race & him crashing out, he got aggressive & impatient, crashed...doubt he'll do that again.

Radha · Sep 18, 2015

#22 said:
So you're advocating him punting Rossi off?

Absoloutely. Race direction and fans have excused abhorrent behavior for years. Why is that? They obviously feel that it is acceptable behavior and if its not being punished,then it must be within the rules. Jorge should take full advantage of the rules ( or lack of them ) and take Rossi out.

Radha · Sep 18, 2015

Dr No said:
Naah.
When he was ChuppaChup head, he was super bargey. I don't think he's lost that.
As for the wet, I suspect his style may not be that great in conditions of changing traction. Sepang a couple of years back was ridiculously wet, he did alright (put his hand up though....)

People are chastising him because he crashed in sketchy conditions. I laugh when people say Rossi outsmarted him. Every rider crashes at least one race per year. Should we attribute every crash on the grid to Rossis craftiness. If this is the case then English fans should be really pissed for ruining Crutchlows career

MigsAngel · Sep 18, 2015

Radha said:
Absoloutely. Race direction and fans have excused abhorrent behavior for years. Why is that? They obviously feel that it is acceptable behavior and if its not being punished,then it must be within the rules. Jorge should take full advantage of the rules ( or lack of them ) and take Rossi out.

Welcome Radha....

Being a rider myself, I can't ever advocate deliberately taking a rider.....even your biggest rival for the title......if Rossi were to get injured by this take out then A) Yamaha wouldnt be happy, b) JLo might genuinely need to fear for his life from Rossi Fanatics and C) I would taint JLo's title and career and legacy forever.......it isnt not JLo's current style anyway to be that kind of rider...

i will assume you ride, and that you may have had some hairy scary moments going around bends or at speed where you get it wrong......and suddenly you get a feeling that starts at your feet and rushes up your body to tell you take it easy.....assuming you are not rolling down the road now....if you ride you probably the feeling I mean.....well you probably also feel it when you see a racer on tv or at the track when they get it wrong and either come out of the seat, look like they are going to crash or do actually crash either by your own or someones else fault....My point is that if you've had that feeling then you would never advocate taking another rider out on purpose.....

Do you ride a motorbike ?

#22 · Sep 18, 2015

Radha said:
Absoloutely. Race direction and fans have excused abhorrent behavior for years. Why is that? They obviously feel that it is acceptable behavior and if its not being punished,then it must be within the rules. Jorge should take full advantage of the rules ( or lack of them ) and take Rossi out.

Can you give us some examples of this 'abhorrent behaviour' you mean? The only example for Rossi i can think of is with Gibernau in Jerez 05 and I think his antics were a bit OTT with Lorenzo in Motegi 2010, given that JLo was on the cusp of winning the title that Rossi had no chance of.

Marquez has been the one who has battered a lot of people in the last few years (Lorenzo Jerez 2013 beginning countless other cases) but crucially, he's never batered Rossi and got the better of it (Argentina he crashed, Assen Rossi took to the gravel and got ahead again). While some standards may have been 'dubious', no rider has deliberately crashed into another rider that i can recall in recent times, and certainly if Rossi of all people was punted off by Lorenzo and costing him his 10th title (and presumably a huge cash cow for Dorna) then I think you'd see serious heads roll.

Radha said:
People are chastising him because he crashed in sketchy conditions. I laugh when people say Rossi outsmarted him. Every rider crashes at least one race per year. Should we attribute every crash on the grid to Rossis craftiness. If this is the case then English fans should be really pissed for ruining Crutchlows career

Lotta Rossi boners about..

Mick D · Sep 18, 2015

Every rider crashes once a year... in a race? In practice/qually? Vale managed to go an entire career for other riders before he missed a race... nice try again tho....

Radha · Sep 18, 2015

#22 said:
Can you give us some examples of this 'abhorrent behaviour' you mean? The only example for Rossi i can think of is with Gibernau in Jerez 05 and I think his antics were a bit OTT with Lorenzo in Motegi 2010, given that JLo was on the cusp of winning the title that Rossi had no chance of.

Marquez has been the one who has battered a lot of people in the last few years (Lorenzo Jerez 2013 beginning countless other cases) but crucially, he's never batered Rossi and got the better of it (Argentina he crashed, Assen Rossi took to the gravel and got ahead again). While some standards may have been 'dubious', no rider has deliberately crashed into another rider that i can recall in recent times, and certainly if Rossi of all people was punted off by Lorenzo and costing him his 10th title (and presumably a huge cash cow for Dorna) then I think you'd see serious heads roll.

Lotta Rossi boners about..

If I have to give you examples,you obviously have not been watching Marquez for his entire career. I can only assume you are one of those guys that paints every one of Marquez's collisions as a race incident.
Who's heads would roll? There's never been any significant repercussions for on track offenses in the GP class. Rossi has practically been canonized for punting Giberneau.

Radha · Sep 18, 2015

Mick D said:
Every rider crashes once a year... in a race? In practice/qually? Vale managed to go an entire career for other riders before he missed a race... nice try again tho....

Why do you keep saying nice try? Am I on the Mick D game show. Should I spin the wheel of opinions again and hope to land on your approval.
Do you disagree that over the course of history in GP, every rider has at least one DNF per year due to mechanical or crash. Is this an incorrect statement? Should I try again?

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