Hayden

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 29 2007, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He is still young and learning all the time. I feel he put in the most impressive ride of his career at Valencia
didn't realise in your last post you were talking about him in the past text just sounded like you assumed he will continue to improve next season even tho there all on new bikes and a new track chucked in for good measure.
i wasnt overly impressed at all with his ride at valencia,i was ok but nothing special,infact he looked a bit out of control at the start (touched rossi twice)

ooost,no good preachin ama to me mate,dont watch it,why would i ?

yup jumkie your right i was in the cheap seats alright,i aint got your bucks mate but here in england we have a device called "VHS" it alows up to record whats on the tv,and quess what...it has a timer so it still records even tho at at the track watching.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 29 2007, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not gonna suggest that you hate Nicky or whatever. But i would like to mention the way you refer to Haydens Assen victory.

Correct me if i have misread this. But i don't think its particularly fair to discredit hayden for that win just because Edwards fell off. I mean Hayden was there, applying the pressure as hard as he could. And Pushing rivals into mistakes is a usefull tactics if the the oponent is weak in the mind.

So i could equaly claim that hayden was so strong that Edwards managed to get past Nicky and instantly pissed himslef in fear and crashed.


Colin was in front, and Nicky was on the grass when Colin F##ked up.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 29 2007, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not gonna suggest that you hate Nicky or whatever. But i would like to mention the way you refer to Haydens Assen victory.

Correct me if i have misread this. But i don't think its particularly fair to discredit hayden for that win just because Edwards fell off. I mean Hayden was there, applying the pressure as hard as he could. And Pushing rivals into mistakes is a usefull tactics if the the oponent is weak in the mind.

So i could equaly claim that hayden was so strong that Edwards managed to get past Nicky and instantly pissed himslef in fear and crashed.
Assen was a great race,one of the best of 06 season imo. but nicky was bloody lucky he didnt go the way of colin to, that crappy chicain had a lot of riders in trouble, to say Edwards managed to get past Nicky and instantly pissed himslef in fear and crashed. is obserd.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Jan 30 2007, 06:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Of course, Valentino has the ability on his day to wipe the floor with everyone, and that day could be 7 days a week!!! Please don't get me wrong, but I feel Vale has had his day! Bold statement, but look at the situation. He has won everything in motorcycling he set out to win. He's exploring new ambitions. Perhaps he was so good in the second half of 2006 because he was presented with an incredible challenge. Damn me, he nearly did it, but by the season finale how much had it taken out of him? A little too much by all accounts. So, if the season starts poorly, through crashes or technical fault, will Vale still have that drive, or will a bit more mid season 'playing' in cars and more time with friends and family be a more attractive proposition? Don't get me wrong, I say Vale has had his day, but if the bike is reliable he is still capable of walking away with the championship. Had his day......he's had his decade!!! Vale is, has been, and for years to come will be a unique credit to motorcycle racing, but all good things come to an end as they say, eventually! I just wonder when that will be, or has it actually happened.

That's a very intresting take on things. I'm not saying I agree with you here, mate, but I guess they're all possibilities, you know? This is the first time Rossi has lost the title he was defending, it could have a number of effects on him and his competition, it could make Hayden more hungry for wins and another championship, or it could make him more conservative in trying to defend his championship. It could make Rossi real, real revved up and ready to kick arse, or it could, as you say, put a serious dent in his pride from which he could never recover. It could make other riders realize Rossi is mortal and give them a chance to up thier consistency and take a shot at the title (Thinking Capirossi and Melandri here), or if Rossi makes this stellar comeback many are predicting, it could scare them off again and we'll see another year where the Doctor wins practically all of the "one on one" track batlles he gets into. You can't really look into test times and rider comments to answer questions like these, the only way is to sit down and watch the races of the 2007 season and see how things unfold........


















Has the seson started yet? Or do I need to go back into my cave and hibernate?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jan 29 2007, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Assen was a great race,one of the best of 06 season imo. but nicky was bloody lucky he didnt go the way of colin to, that crappy chicain had a lot of riders in trouble, to say Edwards managed to get past Nicky and instantly pissed himslef in fear and crashed. is obserd.

It was a great race, but they both mucked up the chicane, and Nicky stayed on.

Pete

No doubt about that, and we could talk for ages about what might have happened. Or look at some facts. Edwards pushed too hard trying to defend from the obviously large pressure from Hayden. Both guys made errors, but in a last lap duel for a race win, Hayden took it fair and square. Thats all their is too it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 29 2007, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No doubt about that, and we could talk for ages about what might have happened. Or look at some facts. Edwards pushed too hard trying to defend from the obviously large pressure from Hayden. Both guys made errors, but in a last lap duel for a race win, Hayden took it fair and square. Thats all their is too it.


Its racing, someone wins someone loses,.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jan 29 2007, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Assen was a great race
You and pete might want to check out that race on your crafty "VHS" again. Edwards got in front because he came in entirely too hot, which is called a "mistake". He crashed because as he was running wide to try and make the turn, he almost ran Hayden off the track. He went into the grass at that point and ate crap. This mistake was forced by himself because of the pressure that Hayden applied by taking away his lead in the final moments. No luck on Hayden's part. That's called racing aggression and poise. And despite Colin almost crashing into Hayden, he was able to ride through Colin’s mistake and win the race. Exactly were is there luck involved here?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 29 2007, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No doubt about that, and we could talk for ages about what might have happened. Or look at some facts. Edwards pushed too hard trying to defend from the obviously large pressure from Hayden. Both guys made errors, but in a last lap duel for a race win, Hayden took it fair and square. Thats all their is too it.
no body is saying hayden didnt ride well and win,but your statment Edwards managed to get past Nicky and instantly pissed himslef in fear and crashed. is in correct.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jan 29 2007, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's a very intresting take on things. I'm not saying I agree with you here, mate, but I guess they're all possibilities, you know? This is the first time Rossi has lost the title he was defending, it could have a number of effects on him and his competition, it could make Hayden more hungry for wins and another championship, or it could make him more conservative in trying to defend his championship. It could make Rossi real, real revved up and ready to kick arse, or it could, as you say, put a serious dent in his pride from which he could never recover. It could make other riders realize Rossi is mortal and give them a chance to up thier consistency and take a shot at the title (Thinking Capirossi and Melandri here), or if Rossi makes this stellar comeback many are predicting, it could scare them off again and we'll see another year where the Doctor wins practically all of the "one on one" track batlles he gets into. You can't really look into test times and rider comments to answer questions like these, the only way is to sit down and watch the races of the 2007 season and see how things unfold........
Absolutely! Honest, open minded, common sense. Thanks for that!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 29 2007, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You and pete might want to check out that race on your crafty "VHS" again. Edwards got in front because he came in entirely too hot, which is called a "mistake". He crashed because as he was running wide to try and make the turn, he almost ran Hayden off the track. He went into the grass at that point and ate crap. This mistake was forced by himself because of the pressure that Hayden applied by taking away his lead in the final moments. No luck on Hayden's part. That's called racing aggression and poise. And despite Colin almost crashing into Hayden, he was able to ride through Colin’s mistake and win the race. Exactly were is there luck involved here?
you may want to watch it again to, haystack wasnt even on the tract just prior to that,he was on the run off put there .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 29 2007, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You and pete might want to check out that race on your crafty "VHS" again. Edwards got in front because he came in entirely too hot, which is called a "mistake". He crashed because as he was running wide to try and make the turn, he almost ran Hayden off the track. He went into the grass at that point and ate crap. This mistake was forced by himself because of the pressure that Hayden applied by taking away his lead in the final moments. No luck on Hayden's part. That's called racing aggression and poise. And despite Colin almost crashing into Hayden, he was able to ride through Colin’s mistake and win the race. Exactly were is there luck involved here?

Nicky was on the grass, cutting the corner. Its in the rules, you dont cut corners.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jan 29 2007, 11:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no body is saying hayden didnt ride well and win,but your statment Edwards managed to get past Nicky and instantly pissed himslef in fear and crashed. is in correct.

That was a suggested opinion which i don't actually believe in. I was just showing the flipside to the attitude which many people take about hayden being "gifted the race". It is quite narrow minded to say that that statement was incorrect. Do you honestly think that Edwards would have made the same mistake if Hayden wasn't pushing him.

Like Pete said, Someone looses and someone wins. And on that day Hayden rode better than anyone else in the world, and even outside of the USA

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jan 29 2007, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you may want to watch it again to, haystack wasnt even on the tract just prior to that,he was on the run off put there .
We were talking about the last move where both riders went into the grass.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 29 2007, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We we talking about the last move where both riders went into the grass.


we we talking?

Do you have bladder problems?

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jan 29 2007, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Assen was a great race,one of the best of 06 season imo. but nicky was bloody lucky he didnt go the way of colin to, that crappy chicain had a lot of riders in trouble
This is the point we were debating, was it not?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 29 2007, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We we talking about the last move where both riders went into the grass.
not to sure what your asking here buddy ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jan 29 2007, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have bladder problems.
That's more information than I needed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 29 2007, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That was a suggested opinion which i don't actually believe in. I was just showing the flipside to the attitude which many people take about hayden being "gifted the race". It is quite narrow minded to say that that statement was incorrect. Do you honestly think that Edwards would have made the same mistake if Hayden wasn't pushing him.

Like Pete said, Someone looses and someone wins. And on that day Hayden rode better than anyone else in the world, and even outside of the USA
very strange posting coments you dont believe in but im narrow minded in your oppinion so i guess it figures.
i dont think he was gifted the race, rossi was out due to dnf (all part of the game)
colin and nick pushed eachother to 110% both made loads of hot headed mistakes, one was lucky was was not so lucky, 2 facts, ! they ...... assen 2 it was a fantastic race to watch.
when i say hayden was lucky does not mean he was gifted the win.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jan 29 2007, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>not to sure what your asking here buddy ?


Thats ok Rog, niether does he.

Pete