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It is complete bs to change rules mid season anyway.
Dorna is a laughable mafia organization.
The sad part is that they put the riders at more risk than necessary.

What the hell are they going to do now that the factory Yamaha sucks in the rain, according to VR? New magic VR rain tires? Ban wet races? Yeah, that's the ticket.

I just luvs Vinales bitching at Marquez for getting in his way. But Mav, Marc is 1.5 seconds FASTER than you. rofl!

I guess Lorenzo doesn't hate getting wet anymore. Or have we been confused by the tires and been thinking it's a Jorge (I don't want to crash) Lorenzo, thing? Confusing isn't it, with him leading Dovi?

Bern1 said:

It is complete bs to change rules mid season anyway.
Dorna is a laughable mafia organization.
The sad part is that they put the riders at more risk than necessary.

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Pit communication, like the #70 tire, introduced mid season to address safety concerns. The safety plan of keeping Rossi safely in the championship.

The game is rigged folks.

Isn't democracy grand...

Actually, the mafia at least has the decency to be up front about the fleecing they are doing at times if you owe them. Dorna and the FIM both pretend this is all a legitimate way to conduct a sporting contest, and the fanbase continues trying to rationalize midseason rule changes that only occur because one rider requests it while denying anyone/everything else any such opportunity to request a change of their own.

Think about this....the spec tire is literally the only thing keeping Rossi near the points lead because it's being deployed as a way to level the competitiveness of the field artificially. If they even allowed a more open window spec tire, or heaven forbid multiple tire suppliers, MM would be so far in front of the field, it would look like Doohan's run 20 years ago. He is fighting with one hand tied behind his back because Dorna wants and needs the illusion of competitiveness rather than outcomes being dictated by a better rider than the rest of the field. Fortunes rise and fall in GP based on what Michelin decides to manufacture each week. Yet all you hear from the media and announcers is how great this supposed competitiveness is. The spec tire is the easiest way to install a gimmick without anyone noticing that it is in fact about a gimmick! All the blathering about how the manufacturers wanted 1000cc engines because blah blah road relevancy blah blah R&D for the consumer blah blah pushing engineering limits blah blah and then you have a spec tire that causes you to now design the bike to a tire rather than experiment with new philosophies because the tire dictates all. Road bikes don't all use the same manufacturer for tires. Why GP does is hilarious yet colossally pathetic.

The fans are like abuse victims who have been conditioned to think the abuse is normal. Dorna doesn't even think twice of groping the fans to get their rocks off and shovels .... down their throats that the fans suddenly think is fair and sporting. Actually it's ....... Stockholm Syndrome. All designed and manipulated by Dorna and VR. Unreal.

I'm in agreement JPS. It's pretty hard for me to get excited about the close title battle when it's clear as day that there is no consistency with the tyres and it seems like every weekend one manufacturer struggles out of nowhere. Oxley and others will rave about how it's more exciting than the Bridgestone days where the best riders on the best bikes would disappear out in front but he's full of ..... We saw some great battle and great title fights. Listening to the riders talk week in week out about how hard it is every weekend because you don't know how the track is going to feel(or along those lines) is putting a real damper on my excitement.

If one rider is good enough to break away at the front and do it consistently then he deserves to be able to do so without the 'neutral' governing body attempting to stop it.

Not sure how to post pics from my phone. But I was watching a Michelin tech explain the tyre allocation for this round and among the sea of blue benches with Michelin logo there was one black panel with a 46 logo. Anyone know what the .... is going on with that? Or is it the same for all riders with their number on a bench each?

Iamapony said:

I guess Lorenzo doesn't hate getting wet anymore. Or have we been confused by the tires and been thinking it's a Jorge (I don't want to crash) Lorenzo, thing? Confusing isn't it, with him leading Dovi?

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Jorge explains...:

"This morning we drastically changed some aspects of the set-up and this helped me to ride with my usual style, as well as giving me more confidence at the front."

https://www.gpone.com/en/2017/07/01/motogp/lorenzo-the-work-has-paid-off.html

And yet Vale is still crying:

“today we had another surprise, the sensations with the tyres and bike continuously change”

Q.: So the factor is the tyres, is it a quality issue?

Vale:
“I wouldn't know, but usually if there is that kind of problem you get one tyre that doesn't work and that's it. Now though we're at a track where all the tyres are fine and then another where none of them are any good. I think it's a question of the marriage between the tyres and asphalt”.

https://www.gpone.com/en/2017/07/01/motogp/rossi-with-these-michelins-we-start-over-every-gp.html

So it looks like Michelin still has a quality control issue (incompetence) because even Andrea D. is confused:

"I am disappointed with the qualifiers today, first of all because of the way the tyres reacted, which threw me off. Yesterday I did 25 laps with the same tyres without any drop in performance. To the contrary, they performed their best at the end, whereas today after four laps the rear tyre was finished, despite the fact that I tried not to push in the first laps."

https://www.gpone.com/en/2017/07/01/motogp/dovizioso-tyre-performance-threw-me-off.html

MdubSTYLIE said:

Dash boards text approved for 2018 means using them this weekend. I'll never try to understand motogp rules. Pony could you explain it please.

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It is DORNA, they changed the calendar year like they change the rules.

Caramello found out that there is a Saschenring race over the next few years as so figured that nobody would notice if they slipped in something a little early.

MdubSTYLIE said:

The only two I have heard are against it are Bradley and Smut-hoe. So I don't see any reason to be against it.

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TBH, (and I await the vested links from some) the only two I have heard for it are Rossi and Dovi (Dovi being very guarded about what should be allowed), but that is not to say that others do not share the opinions just that their comments aren't as newsworthy.

Or alternately, as I read elsewhere - many in the paddock know which side their bread is buttered on so tend to remain that side of the fence

And just to throw this out there ........... Zarco?

Valentino 'I hate electronics ruin racing rider 80%' Rossi got his SMS messages on his dash, now he's whinging for his SNS tires back.

Gaz said:

TBH, (and I await the vested links from some) the only two I have heard for it are Rossi and Dovi (Dovi being very guarded about what should be allowed), but that is not to say that others do not share the opinions just that their comments aren't as newsworthy.

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Interesting the two contenders are both for it.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Interesting the two contenders are both for it.

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Dovi's comments went back to when it was first 'suggested' so before he became 'a contender'

I suspect that no matter who speaks, they all have their views but some may temper their view (unlike Smith so full credit him)

Gaz said:

TBH, (and I await the vested links from some) the only two I have heard for it are Rossi and Dovi (Dovi being very guarded about what should be allowed), but that is not to say that others do not share the opinions just that their comments aren't as newsworthy.

Or alternately, as I read elsewhere - many in the paddock know which side their bread is buttered on so tend to remain that side of the fence

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Against...:
"...while Pedrosa and Smith expressed doubts during the Safety Commission.
As does Crutchlow: “I don't like it, we don't have time to read messages while we're driving. It could be dangerous I think".
Aleix Espargarò backs this up: “it's a system that needs to be used wisely or it could be dangerous. We need to find a simple, fast way to communicate to avoid any distractions. With a MotoGP, you can only read these messages along the straight, but if the rider ahead of you is having any problems, it could become risky”.


For:
“It's helpful - says Valentino...
... Dovizioso - I'm in favour, the more information we have, the better”.
Lorenzo also agrees...
Petrucci also supports the latest development...
Marquez is also in favour, though he has a few reservations.
“For me it's helpful, especially in terms of informing us about any penalties. For the rest, I prefer to rely on the classic pit board" he says.

https://www.gpone.com/en/2017/06/30/motogp/almost-all-riders-like-the-virtual-board.html?refresh_ce

Gaz said:

Dovi's comments went back to when it was first 'suggested' so before he became 'a contender'

I suspect that no matter who speaks, they all have their views but some may temper their view (unlike Smith so full credit him)

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I like what marc said about penalty. I'm for that info being given to them.

JPSLotus said:

Think about this....the spec tire is literally the only thing keeping Rossi near the points lead because it's being deployed as a way to level the competitiveness of the field artificially.

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Exactly. The boppers are so blind they believe the Michelin propaganda the new 070 tire is for Honda.

But note the hard front tire Marquez prefers has actually been withdraw by Michelin this year. That's right folks, if you pay any attention to what's going on Marquez and Crutchlow, normally hard front runners every round, are now 'stuck' on the medium. Marquez actually explained why, he said his preferred hard tire is now for some strange Rossi reason actually softer than the medium and virtually unusable for him.

Combine that with the removal of Vinales preferred tire spec and what do you get? A massive change in the dynamic of a championship which was shaping up to be a battle between Marquez and Vinales with a sad 1000 pound gorilla reduced to bystander to what we had last week, an absolute unbridled celebration that finally the long wait is over, the most popular rider ever has won another race.

almoto said:

Against...:
"...while Pedrosa and Smith expressed doubts during the Safety Commission.
As does Crutchlow: “I don't like it, we don't have time to read messages while we're driving. It could be dangerous I think".
Aleix Espargarò backs this up: “it's a system that needs to be used wisely or it could be dangerous. We need to find a simple, fast way to communicate to avoid any distractions. With a MotoGP, you can only read these messages along the straight, but if the rider ahead of you is having any problems, it could become risky”.


For:
“It's helpful - says Valentino...

... Dovizioso - I'm in favour, the more information we have, the better”.

Lorenzo also agrees...

Petrucci also supports the latest development...

Marquez is also in favour, though he has a few reservations.
“For me it's helpful, especially in terms of informing us about any penalties. For the rest, I prefer to rely on the classic pit board" he says.

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Lorenzo - change of tune from when first mentioned - he was against

Petrucci - if Valentino said he had a bridge to sell him, Petrucci would buy it

Re-read Marquez's comments - he is primarily against it given the purposes that it was suggested in the first place

MdubSTYLIE said:

I like what marc said about penalty. I'm for that info being given to them.

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I am brutally against any team to bike comms but can accept a message being used for penalty and (if safely possible) for flag situations as well where those messages are from a race direction type of centre - keep team to bike out of it and I suspect many will be ok

But yeap, bring back the old pitboard, I mean, how are we to whinge bout the tricycle emblem if we will not see it

almoto said:

Jorge explains...:

"This morning we drastically changed some aspects of the set-up and this helped me to ride with my usual style, as well as giving me more confidence at the front."

https://www.gpone.com/en/2017/07/01/motogp/lorenzo-the-work-has-paid-off.html

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Thank you.

I can understand the misgivings with actually reading the dash. When you are at race pace, you don't have time to do much but race. Why can't people compromise? Why not Have three little lights that tell you to look at your pit board or just standardize the light meanings, like: "blue = penalty", "green = change tires", "red = suck my ...., you are slow as mud".