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What did I say about Stoner here? I questioned his ability to beat Marc head to head. I question if his record lives up to his talent. But I made no references to him personally. I did mention that his fans would go on the attack for this and well here we are. Hold all riders to the same standard. In the future I don't expect to see you say a bad word about anyone then.

To be sure, my orig. post re: Stoner critics was not directed at you or anything you said to me per se. I was commenting on Mike M's comments to you. From where I sit, it seems that a great many posts in which Stoner is mentioned are followed up by members kvetching about the fact that Stoner (a benchmark for talent in Moto Gp racing) is so prominent in discussions of racing. It's no different than any other sport. If you talk about boxing, Ali, Frazier, Tyson etc will end up coming into the conversation.
 
Who is attacking?

I'm just pointing out that for a guy who whines about everyone else and what they discuss on here, you offer shockingly little alternatives in the way of discussion.

Why is that?

Do you realize that you use the same line on everyone.
When did you start watching GP?
it really seems like you started just recently, read a few books and now you try to bash everyone over the head with your learned knowledge. The problem with learned knowledge is it lacks context. This is why I value users like Arabb and Rising sun who actually lived the last 20 plus years of GP.
I think its fine that you have sought out all this knowledge and retained it. Its great to have a historian, but theres no need to belittle others for a differing opinion or not knowing what brand of helmet KR wore before you were even born.
 
To be sure, my orig. post re: Stoner critics was not directed at you or anything you said to me per se. I was commenting on Mike M's comments to you. From where I sit, it seems that a great many posts in which Stoner is mentioned are followed up by members kvetching about the fact that Stoner (a benchmark for talent in Moto Gp racing) is so prominent in discussions of racing. It's no different than any other sport. If you talk about boxing, Ali, Frazier, Tyson etc will end up coming into the conversation.

Fair enough. I do love how much passion Stoner fans have I just think they commonly mistake banter or questioning someone as hatred and they attack. Which is a behavior I also saw in Stoner himself.
 
Great post Dub, you summed up my thoughts.
Like I said before, I feel that Stoner fans are largely made up of Rossi haters and Australians. I dont buy this true riders love Stoner bullocks. True riders seem to gravitate toward Rossi, for whatever reason but I suspect they admire his grit and savvyness.
I feel that its an inarguable fact that Stoner squandered away a generational talent. Im not looking at the personal side of this argument. Hot wife, kid, bla,bla, bla. Looking at the talent and what he did and could have done with it is a disappointment. 9.9 out of 10 professional athletes would not have backed away and laid up like he did. Im happy that the dudes happy. He seems like a good bloke and retirement at 27 seems like a good gig but you cant argue that he pissed away something special.

Would that be the same Rossi who said, "Stoner, he ride like a God!"?

Pissed away is your perspective. The other one being, he walked away from a money making circus that was sucking him dry. He didn't want to sell his soul for one more trophy on the mantlepiece.
 
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Do you realize that you use the same line on everyone.
When did you start watching GP?
it really seems like you started just recently, read a few books and now you try to bash everyone over the head with your learned knowledge. The problem with learned knowledge is it lacks context. This is why I value users like Arabb and Rising sun who actually lived the last 20 plus years of GP.
I think its fine that you have sought out all this knowledge and retained it. Its great to have a historian, but theres no need to belittle others for a differing opinion or not knowing what brand of helmet KR wore before you were even born.

:giggle::giggle::giggle::giggle::giggle:

Who are you ....... kidding? You don't value anyone on here.

Old Piggyback Johnny comes riding in when he wants to try and run a few more posters off the forum.
 
Fair enough. I do love how much passion Stoner fans have I just think they commonly mistake banter or questioning someone as hatred and they attack. Which is a behavior I also saw in Stoner himself.

Its nice to see the passion and also the nationalism. What I dislike is fanaticism.
I have a few heroes, authors,musicans, sports figures etc. Im openly critical of what I percieve as faults or mistakes. Noone is infallible, certainly not I, nor them
 
Indeed because that was the fan in me speaking because I was still thinking a wild card might be possible.

Letting go of all of that stuff, it's his life and I think he made the right decision at the end of the day. It is possible to hold two opposed ideas/thoughts in one's head believe it or not.

Just don't try chewing gum at the same time. :)
 
Its nice to see the passion and also the nationalism. What I dislike is fanaticism.
I have a few heroes, authors,musicans, sports figures etc. Im openly critical of what I percieve as faults or mistakes. Noone is infallible, certainly not I, nor them

Why when he retired did his fans not go with him or move on at least? Its okay to like another rider. He won't get mad. I take that back most rider wouldn't but he probably would.
 
Why when he retired did his fans not go with him or move on at least? Its okay to like another rider. He won't get mad. I take that back most rider wouldn't but he probably would.

I notice that nobody here complains about Arrib and others when they reference about Hailwood, Ago, Rainey, Lawson, Schwantz or Doohan. Only Stoner. For that matter Schumacher and the car guys. Why is that?
 
I notice that nobody here complains about Arrib and others when they reference about Hailwood, Ago, Rainey, Lawson, Schwantz or Doohan. Only Stoner. For that matter Schumacher and the car guys. Why is that?

It's jealousy over the fact that Stoner lives life on his own terms while the rest of them are beholden to the man.
 
Tho the antagonistic tirades against Stoner well before his retirement. Ol' Rog was an early adopter of the Anti-Stoner movement and an unabashed Aussie-phobe. For my money it's about green envy of a guy who had everything that some could not hope to achieve and then walked away from it all. It must kill some folks that the whiney little bucktoothed Aussie, in the space of a few years, was getting all the plaudits, all the money and on top of that, a really hot girlfriend none of which they could hope to acquire in ten lifetimes. I've run across this dynamic before. When I was a teen, I was at a party in Queens, with a really cute girl on my arm. Some neanderthal cousine greaser, out of the blue, started calling me a ....... He and 6 of his crew waited for me outside the house with car antennas and whipped me and beat me and chased me for blocks. Weeks later I ran into a friend of his who said, the only reason he did it, was because he was bad at talking to girls, and he wanted to hit on the girl I was with.
 
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Could you guys please add up the list of reasons he retired. It still grows by the day but yet the simple honest truth is still missing.

He says in this video its not about his wife and kid so you are wrong. Its about his loss of passion. Which is what I said. He also blames questioning the "mystery illness" right questioning something that is a mystery is not acceptable. He attacks the media and gp fans for questioning him. Thats part of the game man, you are in the spot light. But yall need to stop making excuses for him, people are going to see this the way they do.
I bet you are single. Or you don't know much about human nature. I already said that he is not going to come out and say, "My honey made me do it." He was going to have a kid. He married his 'dream' girl. This stuff happens in real life. People don't always choose dangerous activities like motorcycle racing over their loved ones. I also mentioned the other issues. You don't find the coincidence of him losing his passion a little too conveniently timed with the announcement of a marriage and a kid?

What excuse am I making for what? The guy quit because he wanted to be a family man and stop racing. BIG ....... DEAL. Why can't he quit when he feels like it. Jeezus fvking-a Christ.There is no excuse, because there is nothing to excuse.

You have this idiotic idea that he quit because he was afraid to race Marquez. You think he turned down $12 million dollars because he thought Marc might beat him? Do you realize that when he quit that Marquez was not eligible to race for Repsol? So Stoner didn't think Marquez would be on the same team the next year. And then there is the fact that Stoner was beat his last year because of crashing. Yet he still won at P.I., going away and sliding the rear into Stoner corner.
Completely true. However he hasn't left. He chooses to "test" to prove to himself he is still fast. If he really despises Dorna then why do that? Why feel the need to prove something? And then after honda slighted him why feel the need to move back to another manufacturer? His decisions and words never align.
And yet, here you say his decisions and words NEVER align. I think you are either a Stoner hater, or just trying too hard to cause an argument.
 
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I notice that nobody here complains about Arrib and others when they reference about Hailwood, Ago, Rainey, Lawson, Schwantz or Doohan. Only Stoner. For that matter Schumacher and the car guys. Why is that?

The internet era. this all has been going on since it was relevant. Rossi gets a lot of hate. So does JLo. Not as much no but for how short Stoner was around a lot of controversy surrounded him. The fact that he blames the media and gp fans for taking his passion over a mystery illness is just asking for it. He still calls it a mystery illness, the name alone leaves the door for speculation open. He's not a victim but he plays one very well.
 
I bet you are single. Or you don't know much about human nature. I already said that he is not going to come out and say, "My honey made me do it." He was going to have a kid. He married his 'dream' girl. This stuff happens in real life. People don't always choose dangerous activities like motorcycle racing over their loved ones. I also mentioned the other issues. You don't find the coincidence of him losing his passion a little too conveniently timed with the announcement of a marriage and a kid?

What excuse am I making for what? The guy quit because he wanted to be a family man and stop racing. BIG ....... DEAL. Why can't he quit when he feels like it. Jeezus fvking-a Christ.There is no excuse, because there is nothing to excuse.

You have this idiotic idea that he quit because he was afraid to race Marquez. You think he turned down $12 million dollars because he thought Marc might beat him? Do you realize that when he quit that Marquez was not eligible to race for Repsol? So Stoner didn't think Marquez would be on the same team the next year. And then there is the fact that Stoner was beat his last year because of crashing. Yet he still won at P.I., going away and sliding the rear into Stoner corner.

And yet, here you say his decisions and words NEVER align. I think you are either a Stoner hater, or just trying too hard to cause an argument.


In the video I posted he said word for word "its not because of my wife or daughter or anything like that."
 
The internet era. this all has been going on since it was relevant. Rossi gets a lot of hate. So does JLo. Not as much no but for how short Stoner was around a lot of controversy surrounded him. The fact that he blames the media and gp fans for taking his passion over a mystery illness is just asking for it. He still calls it a mystery illness, the name alone leaves the door for speculation open. He's not a victim but he plays one very well.

I don't understand the meaning of this sentence. Surely you were typing too fast. Sort of doesn't make sense. About the mystery illness, I have no memory of any statement by Stoner referring to it that way. The press (early on) did use some similar phrase, but it was not long after, stated at pressers that he had chronic fatigue, a very real illness that is not well understood. I recall a lot of Rossi fans who latched onto this issue as a way to slander Stoner by way of saying it was some imaginary disease he was conjuring up as an excuse for whatever it was they told themselves he needed an excuse for. The topper was IMHO the way Ducati mgmt. were ready to throw him under the bus. That to me, was an act of betrayal. Very much unworthy of them. Still he moved on to Honda and added to their championship count. I think at some level, the media did make things worse in the way they turned up the wick of public attention on his relationship with Rossi. The media are always wanting to add fuel to the fire to make a small thing into a "controversy" and that kind of manipulation of public perception can be aggravating, since it's all done by media hacks to sell adverts or clicks, the income from which lines their pockets, rather than any real desire to report on the sport of racing.
 
I don't understand the meaning of this sentence. Surely you were typing too fast. Sort of doesn't make sense. About the mystery illness, I have no memory of any statement by Stoner referring to it that way. The press (early on) did use some similar phrase, but it was not long after, stated at pressers that he had chronic fatigue, a very real illness that is not well understood. I recall a lot of Rossi fans who latched onto this issue as a way to slander Stoner by way of saying it was some imaginary disease he was conjuring up as an excuse for whatever it was they told themselves he needed an excuse for. The topper was IMHO the way Ducati mgmt. were ready to throw him under the bus. That to me, was an act of betrayal. Very much unworthy of them. Still he moved on to Honda and added to their championship count. I think at some level, the media did make things worse in the way they turned up the wick of public attention on his relationship with Rossi. The media are always wanting to add fuel to the fire to make a small thing into a "controversy" and that kind of manipulation of public perception can be aggravating, since it's all done by media hacks to sell adverts or clicks, the income from which lines their pockets, rather than any real desire to report on the sport of racing.



At :37 not the family but the media and fans.
 
I notice that nobody here complains about Arrib and others when they reference about Hailwood, Ago, Rainey, Lawson, Schwantz or Doohan. Only Stoner. For that matter Schumacher and the car guys. Why is that?

I guess you've never seen Arabb break out the literary napalm and go scorched earth on a detractor.
I may be dumb, but not that dumb
 
I bet you are single. Or you don't know much about human nature. I already said that he is not going to come out and say, "My honey made me do it." He was going to have a kid. He married his 'dream' girl. This stuff happens in real life. People don't always choose dangerous activities like motorcycle racing over their loved ones. I also mentioned the other issues. You don't find the coincidence of him losing his passion a little too conveniently timed with the announcement of a marriage and a kid?

What excuse am I making for what? The guy quit because he wanted to be a family man and stop racing. BIG ....... DEAL. Why can't he quit when he feels like it. Jeezus fvking-a Christ.There is no excuse, because there is nothing to excuse.

You have this idiotic idea that he quit because he was afraid to race Marquez. You think he turned down $12 million dollars because he thought Marc might beat him? Do you realize that when he quit that Marquez was not eligible to race for Repsol? So Stoner didn't think Marquez would be on the same team the next year. And then there is the fact that Stoner was beat his last year because of crashing. Yet he still won at P.I., going away and sliding the rear into Stoner corner.

And yet, here you say his decisions and words NEVER align. I think you are either a Stoner hater, or just trying too hard to cause an argument.

So Australian Supercar racing is a family activity?
 

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