Four races, 3 1/2 different men win...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 16 2008, 02:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i thought that was noodelerizer but you are quite correct anyway
Yeah, I remember noodelerizer saying that. I thought mylexicon said something like it, too, during one of his post-race rants... I guess not.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 16 2008, 06:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My posts are quite good thank you, even if you believe they should be found in the fiction section.
Damn... so you are serious... well, if the tin foil hat fits, wear it. Does it have a propeller on top?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 16 2008, 06:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Let's see last year I said Honda built the bike for Pedrosa over and over and over to the consternation of the peanut gallery.
I hardly think you were the Lone Ranger there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 16 2008, 06:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Then Honda held a press conference and said "we got it wrong and we built the bike for Pedrosa. It was the wrong thing to do".
This would be when Hamane turned up at Assen last year? As ever, you're rather vague about the details. I don't recall HRC ever saying they built the bike specifically for Pedrosa, but I'm sure you can supply us with a link and/or quote.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 16 2008, 06:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Last year I said it was obvious that Michelin were going to get more tire sets.
I hardly think you were the Lone Ranger there. Just about every rider on the grid wanted a bigger allocation.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 16 2008, 06:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Then I said Honda took the 2008 chassis from Nicky at Qatar b/c Peders binned his beyond repair when he tried to inspect Rossi backside.
Oh, c'mon... you really believe this? That after that practice session Pedrosa's crew wheeled the 2008 bike out of Hayden's garage and into Pedrosa's? And Hayden and Benson just stood there and watched? If, if, if, if that was really the case, then they both need to get to a hospital for an X-ray immediately... to see if they have a ....... spine.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 16 2008, 06:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Two weeks later Nicky says he can't comment on the decisions that were made but that he wasn't happy.
Why not? Why can't he comment?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 16 2008, 06:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My track record speaks for itself.
Yeah, it does, doesn't it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ May 16 2008, 03:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This conspiracy .... really deserves to be in the bin. Again, the Rossi fans are the "fanboys" but anyone else can spout whatever ..... they like. Last year Stoner evidently had no tyre or bike advantage, Rossi was just .... and or past it or never actually had it. He was just lucky that the oposition were ..... This year, Dorna are poisoning Casey's boot polish, and we are all being taken in by their evil actions.

I'm sure this post will be taken as "flaming" or "fishing" by some on here, but hey, I'm unlikely to loose sleep over it, the hypocrisy that get spouted on this forum really amazes me.

Anyhoo, Rising Son's "John Holmes size dildo" comment made me laugh out loud, and that what makes this place so good to hang oot.

Pete


um!?? ..... I think you'll find Lex is a Hayden fan

I think Rising has it ....... seems a bit of jovial pot manipulation to me

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ May 16 2008, 06:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>um!?? ..... I think you'll find Lex is a Hayden fan

I think Rising has it ....... seems a bit of jovial pot manipulation to me


Ahhhh sorry Barry, I forgot about your supreme ability to translate hidden messages in posts.(remember how you showed us all up with the Mat Oxley thread, shoulda learned my lesson there , all those things he had said about Rossi, but clever disguised it as a talk about 2 strokes engines ) I thought I had buried the subliminal "Lex is a Stoner fan" part of the post deep enough in the post.

Once again your incredible powers of understanding the written word have exposed the truth behind the lies.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ May 16 2008, 07:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ahhhh sorry Barry, I forgot about your supreme ability to translate hidden messages in posts.(remember how you showed us all up with the Mat Oxley thread, shoulda learned my lesson there , all those things he had said about Rossi, but clever disguised it as a talk about 2 strokes engines ) I thought I had buried the subliminal "Lex is a Stoner fan" part of the post deep enough in the post.

Once again your incredible powers of understanding the written word have exposed the truth behind the lies.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 15 2008, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My posts are quite good thank you, even if you believe they should be found in the fiction section.


My track record speaks for itself.
I'm one ahead of you here. Much of what you say is indeed fact, and I can see where you are heading, I follow your thread and I know that soon, having sewn up your conclusions you will be delivering the much anticipated cusp of your argument. So allow me pre-empt for you here and now Lex 'cause I know where you're at......Carmelo Ezpeleta is in reality a shapeshifting extraterrestrial Lizardman as is Dr.Costa, who secretly sacrifices children and red bull rookies, drinking their blood in the Clinica Mobile, while Dorna are part of the Zionist illuminati intent on worlwide domination.

Your real name isn't by any chance David Icke is it?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ May 16 2008, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm one ahead of you here. Much of what you say is indeed fact, and I can see where you are heading, I follow your thread and I know that soon, having sewn up your conclusions you will be delivering the much anticipated cusp of your argument. So allow me pre-empt for you here and now Lex 'cause I know where you're at......Carmelo Ezpeleta is in reality a shapeshifting extraterrestrial Lizardman as is Dr.Costa, who secretly sacrifices children and red bull rookies, drinking their blood in the Clinica Mobile, while Dorna are part of the Zionist illuminati intent on worlwide domination.

Your real name isn't by any chance David Icke is it?

I see what you did there!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ May 16 2008, 05:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm one ahead of you here. Much of what you say is indeed fact, and I can see where you are heading, I follow your thread and I know that soon, having sewn up your conclusions you will be delivering the much anticipated cusp of your argument. So allow me pre-empt for you here and now Lex 'cause I know where you're at......Carmelo Ezpeleta is in reality a shapeshifting extraterrestrial Lizardman as is Dr.Costa, who secretly sacrifices children and red bull rookies, drinking their blood in the Clinica Mobile, while Dorna are part of the Zionist illuminati intent on worlwide domination.

Your real name isn't by any chance David Icke is it?

Close but you got too wild with it.

Carmela is shapeshifting into Bernie Ecclestone.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 16 2008, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Carmela is shapeshifting into Bernie Ecclestone.
now thats a scary thought. if you were talking about F1 and the poison dwarf more people would buy into you conspiracy theory .but not ezy and motogp.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ May 15 2008, 07:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh, c'mon... you really believe this? That after that practice session Pedrosa's crew wheeled the 2008 bike out of Hayden's garage and into Pedrosa's? And Hayden and Benson just stood there and watched? If, if, if, if that was really the case, then they both need to get to a hospital for an X-ray immediately... to see if they have a ....... spine.


Why not? Why can't he comment?

Yes that's exactly what happened. Honda didn't have Nicky's chassis specs completed. Revealed through rumor and fact was Honda's last second change to the chassis to fit the engine more snuggly into the new frame. Apparently their first attempt was less than stellar.

Anyway, Peders parts were made first (for obvious reasons) and Nicky's chassis specs weren't ready. Nicky wasn't exactly flying on the new bike, so Honda removed it from him under the grounds that Dani's times were markedly better on the 2008 chassis as compared to the 07 and Hayden's weren't.

The end. The bikes belong to Honda they can do whatever they want with their machines.

Why can't he comment? The team tells the riders what they can and can't say in press conferences. The riders get PR coaching frequently. Same as NASCAR drivers actually. Nicky isn't going to put his job on the line to spout about one race that got out of hand.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 16 2008, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Close but you got too wild with it.

Carmela is shapeshifting into Bernie Ecclestone.
Have they ever been seen in the same room together?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 15 2008, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No quote, but I'll one up you. Since I know how things are working I will predict that Stoner runs the '07s a handful of times this year. B-stone will say they are struggling with the new compound and it is difficult to accommodate the teams.......blah blah blah. What they mean is, DORNA have allowed us to give Casey the 07s a handful of times b/c even Ezy can't completely screw over the old champ. Besides MGP will lose the Aussie market if Ezy screws Stoner. Bayliss is looking good these days.
That's a good one. YOU know hiw things are working, not those that work in race organizations. What ever.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Rossi (who was present at the tire meetings because he was obviously part of the negotiating process) knew the tires would be different this season and that both brands would work similarly. This explains why he would choose to run his old Michelin setup even after months of testing. Why else would Rossi run a soft front/medium rear? Hard work, my .... Rossi/Burgess were sold to B-stone so B-stone would sign off. They same way they were sold to Yamaha to keep MGP from becoming the Honda Cup. They run B-stones well because Yamahas are designed to spend less time on the side of the tire. Perfect for a company that has lost its prototype edge compound.

Sure, the progress I've seen by Rossi and his team is just my imagination and what ever they say about it it's all a smoke screen. What a bunch o utter buillshit. You even imagine that Soft/Medium translates to something remotely similar between the two brands, even as those labels are marly dumbed down for the pathetic jounos to have something to talk about. You sure show you knowledge, you really do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Rules like this are standard fare.
Rules are found in the FIM regulations for 2008.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Like I said yesterday, people used to get burned at the stake for saying DORNA gave preference to riders from certain markets or that DORNA had a working agreement with F1 to stagger race dates. Turns out its all true.
WOW. You sure are smart. When did you find out? Up here it's been common knowldge for more than 10 years.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>The reason you and everyone else thinks these ideas are nonsense is b/c you have conveniently glossed over the serious crisis the sport was in. Ezy didn't announce a crisis so naturally you didn't think there was one.
When you carefully put your pure imaginative speculations with some more likely speculations (allthough never proven as facts) and a few obvious known facts (presented as you own findings)
you get a pretty muddy mix.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Anyone who can read between the lines knows when all the manufacturers, the FIM, DORNA, and Rossi (WTF?) are called into a prolonged unscheduled meeting, there are storm clouds on the horizon.
And you read all this between the lines?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Excuse me for saying you were incompetent. I mean to say you have a glorious lack of clairvoyance.
Tankyou, I can live just fine without your kind of clairvoyance.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ May 16 2008, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Have they ever been seen in the same room together?
don't encourage him mike

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 15 2008, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi was traded to Bridgestone to evenly split the 6 riders from the 3 manufacturers with dry wins in the 4-stroke era.

I don't think this is true. This sound like all 2007 season was premeditaded. Rossi leaved Michelin because of his poor results, not because he was "traded".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 16 2008, 08:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>now thats a scary thought. if you were talking about F1 and the poison dwarf more people would buy into you conspiracy theory .but not ezy and motogp.

That's precisely what I'm talking about.

CVC equity has owned DORNA since 1998. They purchased a controlling interest b/c DORNA needed help rebranding/altering the 500cc series into MotoGP.

When CVC bought the controlling interest in F1 in 2005 Ecclestone restated CVC's mission in the press conference:

"We are delighted to have CVC as a shareholder whose long-term strategies and vision will provide the stability for teams, promoters and manufacturers. They are knowledgeable about motorsport and make an ideal partner for Formula One."

CVC, DORNA, Ezy, the FIM, the FIA, and Eccy are all very closely related and CVC sources technical data back and forth between the series to help make educated decisions that stimulate competition. Ezy and Eccy more or less report to the same people.

DORNA/CVC recently changed to the 800s. The initial reaction from everyone on the planet was "why?". The bikes weren't that dangerous for the riders and top speeds weren't THAT much higher than the 500 days. The big problem was that speeds WERE just beginning to get high enough that run-off areas were too small and CVC feared another Kato-like accident on the European continent. Instead of modifying the circuits (the risky (think Assen) but historically correct solution) DORNA hatched the idea to slow the bikes down.

It failed MISERABLY. Honda and Yamaha were both way off the mark (at the request of DORNA), and Ducati I'm sure were viewed as having cheated because their bike was significantly faster than everyone else's and faster than their 990. The tire manufacturers didn't escape scrutiny either. The super grippy compounds that were causing exponential growth in cornerspeeds were called into question as well.

Now DORNA ask questions like "rev limiter?"; "control tire?", "ban TC?". Ezy is on the hot seat and CVC/DORNA are breathing down his neck. The discontentment in the fanbase is ruining everyone's revenue stream. The technical changes are breaking the manufacturers bank accounts. Nothing is safer and the circuit owners are still going to be pressured to make millions in modifications.

My suggestions aren't far fetched at all. They are more likely than not. Controlling tire development is the only way to cut costs and improve safety. Compounds will get progressively harder as time passes. Riding on spent tires will become a thing of the past. Wait, it already is, ask Hayden. The man known for putting a perfectly good rear tire through a torture test can't seem to get the rear wheel loose enough to avoid front end tuck.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bogdanionesq @ May 16 2008, 09:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think this is true. This sound like all 2007 season was premeditaded. Rossi leaved Michelin because of his poor results, not because he was "traded".

I agree, but after the control tire motion failed, Rossi became an exchange commodity. Bridgestone weren't going to have 6 years of tire development flushed down the toilet for nothing. Rossi/Burgess suddenly seemed like compensation instead of an unwanted burden.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 17 2008, 12:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Honda didn't have Nicky's chassis specs completed.
So Nicky didn't have the parts/chassis specs/08 bike/whatever it is that you're claiming for Qatar, because it wasn't completed...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 17 2008, 12:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyway, Peders parts were made first (for obvious reasons) and Nicky's chassis specs weren't ready.
Whereas Dani got the parts/chassis specs/08 bike/whatever it is that you're claiming, but Nicky didn't, because the parts/chassis specs/08 bike/whatever it is that you're claiming weren't ready for him...

Okay, following you so far.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 17 2008, 12:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky wasn't exactly flying on the new bike, so Honda removed it from him under the grounds that Dani's times were markedly better on the 2008 chassis as compared to the 07 and Hayden's weren't.
He wasn't flying on the what? Who got the what? And from whom? Kinda lost me here.

Let me see if I can untangle the gordian knot that you simply sliced...

1. Hayden didn't have the parts/chassis specs/08 bike/whatever it is that you're claiming.

2. Pedrosa did.

3. But, after Pedrosa crashed his bike, he took the parts/chassis specs/08 bike/whatever it is that you're claiming away from Hayden--who, by the way, didn't have the parts/chassis specs/08 bike/whatever it is that you're claiming because they weren't ready--and Hayden was left with... what? A #69 plate?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 17 2008, 12:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>revealed through rumor and fact...
Perhaps the most telling part of your post. You tend to conflate rumour and fact, but I have a piece of news for you: the two words have very different meanings.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 17 2008, 12:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The end. The bikes belong to Honda they can do whatever they want with their machines.
And the fact that the team took (presumably) the A bike away from Hayden and gave it to Pedrosa in the middle of a race meeting--let's not forget these two riders don't like each other and their loyal crews feel the same way (or maybe Benson just likes to swear on TV)--and the only comment was a shrug of the shoulders from Hayden two weeks later?

I guess the press failed to report such a controversial story because they're all in on the conspiracy...

Funny, that. I never pictured Superbikeplanet.com being a Dorna lap dog.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 17 2008, 12:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why can't he comment? The team tells the riders what they can and can't say in press conferences.
Who knew that HRC had made both a Pedrobot and a Haydobot?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 17 2008, 12:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky isn't going to put his job on the line to spout about one race that got out of hand.
HRC didn't fire Gardner when he told the world the 88 Honda was a piece of ....--and demanded to run the 87 bike unless they fixed the mess real ....... fast.

But you'd have us believe that Nicky will pull his pants down, bend over and watch his career go down the toilet.

Or, could it just possibly be that the truth is something other that what you so arrogantly declaim from on high?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 17 2008, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When you carefully put your pure imaginative speculations with some more likely speculations (allthough never proven as facts) and a few obvious known facts (presented as your own findings)
you get a pretty muddy mix.
We have a winnner!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ May 16 2008, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So Nicky didn't have the parts/chassis specs/08 bike/whatever it is that you're claiming for Qatar, because it wasn't completed...


Whereas Dani got the parts/chassis specs/08 bike/whatever it is that you're claiming, but Nicky didn't, because the parts/chassis specs/08 bike/whatever it is that you're claiming weren't ready for him...

Okay, following you so far.


He wasn't flying on the what? Who got the what? And from whom? Kinda lost me here.

Let me see if I can untangle the gordian knot that you simply sliced...

1. Hayden didn't have the parts/chassis specs/08 bike/whatever it is that you're claiming.

2. Pedrosa did.

3. But, after Pedrosa crashed his bike, he took the parts/chassis specs/08 bike/whatever it is that you're claiming away from Hayden--who, by the way, didn't have the parts/chassis specs/08 bike/whatever it is that you're claiming because they weren't ready--and Hayden was left with... what? A #69 plate?


Perhaps the most telling part of your post. You tend to conflate rumour and fact, but I have a piece of news for you: the two words have very different meanings.


And the fact that the team took (presumably) the A bike away from Hayden and gave it to Pedrosa in the middle of a race meeting--let's not forget these two riders don't like each other and their loyal crews feel the same way (or maybe Benson just likes to swear on TV)--and the only comment was a shrug of the shoulders from Hayden two weeks later?

I guess the press failed to report such a controversial story because they're all in on the conspiracy...

Funny, that. I never pictured Superbikeplanet.com being a Dorna lap dog.


Who knew that HRC had made both a Pedrobot and a Haydobot?


HRC didn't fire Gardner when he told the world the 88 Honda was a piece of ....--and demanded to run the 87 bike unless they fixed the mess real ....... fast.

But you'd have us believe that Nicky will pull his pants down, bend over and watch his career go down the toilet.

Or, could it just possibly be that the truth is something other that what you so arrogantly declaim from on high?

I'll make a list, it's easier to understand that way.

1. Honda had 2 2008 bikes; they were identical.
2. Both 2008 bikes had Peder's chassis specs (the only chassis ready at the time)
3. Nicky had one bike, Pedrosa had the other.
4. Pedrosa crashed his and apparently the bike was not fit to race.
5. The team fought for at least 1 day over who would race the 2008 spec, then Honda offered an ultimatum that if they couldn't come to a consensus neither of them would ride it. Honda covered the crisis up with a strange press conference stating Repsol may run the 2007 due to edge grip problems.
6. Honda pointed out to Nicky/Benson that Peders was better on the 07 and the 08. Peders also made bigger time improvements when moving from the 2007 to the 2008. I'm sure they also said the were Peder's specs on the chassis anyway.
7. Nicky yielded because there was not a situation under which he was going to be able to ride the 2008 bike. Pedrosa/Puig weren't going to let him have it. I'm sure Hamane got up in his ear about being a team player; and said Honda wouldn't go out of their way to help him if he didn't help Honda. Blah blah blah

Really pretty straight forward, not uncharacteristic or unbelievable for any parties involved. Your incredulity is shocking