Formula 1 07

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Franco Fangio @ Oct 29 2007, 08:39 PM) [snapback]97554[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yeah, well..it's Tommy who's saying it, so of course it's funny


we are so cruel...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(somedamnwriter @ Oct 29 2007, 02:02 PM) [snapback]97563[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
we are so cruel...

Nah..we're not..

OK, maybe we are!!

I'm sure he doesn't mind though!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Franco Fangio @ Oct 29 2007, 09:08 PM) [snapback]97566[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Nah..we're not..

OK, maybe we are!!

I'm sure he doesn't mind though!!!!




no he doesn't...good thing he's blessed with a lot of patience....


errr....that doesn't sound right...he's just too lazy to argue most of the time....nyahahaha...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Oct 28 2007, 05:16 PM) [snapback]97445[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
1. Did JV have to contend with a double world champion who is regarded by many as one of the best drivers on the grid? If you tell me "Oh he had to contend with a team that was against him", well who's fault was that? And that Hamilton got preferential treatment from Ron Dennis, well isn't it fair considering the HUGE amount of favorable treatment Alonso got from Flavio, at the expense of poor Fisi? What I meant was an example such as Canada, where he was regularly prancing off into the distance by 20seconds each time, before the safety car came out and annulled it, he shouldn't be winning by vast margins at circuits he's never visited before.
Nope, but he did have to contend with a very well respected driver, considered to be bettered only by Schumacher. Same for Damon, he had to contend with Alain Prost in his first season, and although he didn't quite beat him, he did a very respectable job. Your 'example' again can be applied to JV, who came across the pond from Indycars and knew even less of the circuits he visited. Of course, people often forget this, or choose not to take notice I suppose.

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2. Well these aren't the 80's and early 90's anymore, times change. Should we be scornful of the fact Lewis was gutsy enough to ask RD for a McLaren contract at age 12? And we should be glad you don't make the rules, otherwise we wouldn't have had one of the best seasons in a LONG time.
I don't get your point here to be honest. What do the 'times' have to do with it? Are you expecting every top team to hire rookies now?

And I don't recall being 'scornful' at all? Lewis didn't ask for a contract from McLaren, he simply said he was going to drive for them one day. Well done to him.

Best? You must have been watching a different sport to me, mate. The championship was very good on paper, but the on track action was few and far between. There have been much better seasons.

And I do stand by that, I don't think drivers should be able to walk into a top team in their first season. Its like someone becoming CEO of a bank in their first year, its stupid and completely undermines other drivers such as Rosberg and Sutil, who are very deserving of top drives, but don't get the credit they deserve.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>Lewis proved in his pre-f1 career that he IS worthy of driving for a top team
I disagree. Just because someone does well in GP2, it doesn't mean they are worthy of a McLaren drive. I know ive said this to you before, but I believe pre-F1 careers have very little relevance when it comes to actually performing on the big stage. They give hints, but when it comes to F1, its a completely different game.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Oct 29 2007, 05:41 PM) [snapback]97593[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I disagree. Just because someone does well in GP2, it doesn't mean they are worthy of a McLaren drive. I know ive said this to you before, but I believe pre-F1 careers have very little relevance when it comes to actually performing on the big stage. They give hints, but when it comes to F1, its a completely different game.

That's what I said as well, if you read my post. I pointed out that success in a driver's pre-f1 career doesn't guarantee him any success in his F1 career. Lewis obviously proved he IS the real deal. For sure F1 is different than all the other series, like F3, or GP2 or whatever, BUT IMO it's totally understandable that Lewis got a chance. It's not just that he did well in GP2, he almost won everything he competed in, now that's a winner! So..it's more than understandable he got the chance. Is it fair to other drivers who are trying hard as well, and who are talented as well?? Of course it isn't, but that's not the point. Life ain't always fair.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Oct 29 2007, 04:41 PM) [snapback]97593[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

And I do stand by that, I don't think drivers should be able to walk into a top team in their first season. Its like someone becoming CEO of a bank in their first year, its stupid and completely undermines other drivers such as Rosberg and Sutil, who are very deserving of top drives, but don't get the credit they deserve.



If a top team is willing to gamble on a rookie then why shouldn't they get the chance? Hamilton did enough for Ron Dennis to give him that car, in return Lewis has more than Justified it. I don't think we should expect rookies to come in and win all the time now because Lewis is clearly special. However the years of preperation he has gone through are becoming more the norm in motorsports which is why we can see young drivers (and riders in motogp) not having to undergo the years of apprentaship they used to. I don't think it undermines drivers who don't get these chances, in some ways i feel their route will be beneficial in the long run.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Oct 29 2007, 04:41 PM) [snapback]97593[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I believe pre-F1 careers have very little relevance when it comes to actually performing on the big stage. They give hints, but when it comes to F1, its a completely different game.


I mostly agree with this but i think people in the know have seen something in Hamilton that others don't have and its not even about how he actually handles a car. His mentality has been above and beyond even the best drivers of his age and experience level, and that sets him appart. I Still think Mclaren took a big risk putting him in the race seat straight away but i could see why they did it, not that i thought the results would be nearly this good.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 29 2007, 08:18 PM) [snapback]97607[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I mostly agree with this but i think people in the know have seen something in Hamilton that others don't have and its not even about how he actually handles a car. His mentality has been above and beyond even the best drivers of his age and experience level, and that sets him appart. I Still think Mclaren took a big risk putting him in the race seat straight away but i could see why they did it, not that i thought the results would be nearly this good.

I think nobody expected this. I was reading the first pages of this thread again, and it's funny to see what people predicted and said a year ago. Button for the title??? Fisi to win a few races???
Lewis probably not being a match for Nando (which wasnt too strange of course).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Franco Fangio @ Oct 30 2007, 04:33 AM) [snapback]97619[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think nobody expected this. I was reading the first pages of this thread again, and it's funny to see what people predicted and said a year ago. Button for the title??? Fisi to win a few races???
Lewis probably not being a match for Nando (which wasnt too strange of course).




funny how each year, each season, each race, people try to predict the results. some get it some don't. sometimes you get it sometimes you don't. some don't get it at all yet they still keep giving their predictions.



hence.... next year, i'm hoping it's ferrari and kimi for the WCC and WDC respectively. hahaha..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vtinoimik @ Oct 30 2007, 02:24 PM) [snapback]97686[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>


funny how each year, each season, each race, people try to predict the results. some get it some don't. sometimes you get it sometimes you don't. some don't get it at all yet they still keep giving their predictions.


SO TRUE!!!!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vtinoimik @ Oct 30 2007, 02:24 PM) [snapback]97686[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
hence.... next year, i'm hoping it's ferrari and kimi for the WCC and WDC respectively. hahaha..

I hope so

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Franco Fangio @ Oct 30 2007, 09:30 PM) [snapback]97687[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>


SO TRUE!!!!!!!
I hope so

I MISS F1 SOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!!!!

SOMEONE HELP ME!!!!!

How many days till the start of the season??? Does anyone know???
Oh, doesn't even matter, it's still soooo far away!!!!

Was just watching some vids on youtube and reading on f1.racing.com.
I hope Kimi's planning to win more than another title, I just read this:

''It will be great to start my second year with Ferrari now that I won the title.
It will be a new challenge, even more exciting, because I want to feel this joy again, one more time!"

ONE MORE TIME????
Maybe I should reconsider supporting him

134 Days 13 hours 6 minutes ....

You can check how much is left in F1.com ... and despair.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Teomolca @ Oct 31 2007, 05:53 PM) [snapback]97791[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
134 Days 13 hours 6 minutes ....

You can check how much is left in F1.com ... and despair.


nyahahahaha...i'd rather not... i hate the agony of counting days... now motogp's gonna say "goodbye and till then" soon too...


damn... i hate off seasons...

anyway, happy thoughts happy thoughts:

HERE WE COME SPA!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Teomolca @ Oct 31 2007, 09:53 AM) [snapback]97791[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
134 Days




considers slitting wrists

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Franco Fangio @ Oct 30 2007, 11:09 PM) [snapback]97762[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I MISS F1 SOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!!!!

SOMEONE HELP ME!!!!!



I suspect you are beyond help

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Teomolca @ Oct 31 2007, 09:53 AM) [snapback]97791[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
134 Days 13 hours 6 minutes ....



counting the days always makes things seem longer, so i try to avoid it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Oct 31 2007, 10:45 AM) [snapback]97798[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>


considers slitting wrists


Wait till after this weekend man

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 31 2007, 11:25 AM) [snapback]97804[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I suspect you are beyond help
counting the days always makes things seem longer, so i try to avoid it.
Wait till after this weekend man


F1 was much better when it was formula cosworth in the early 80s, before passing on the track was a distant memory. I think they need to get rid of the aerodynamics more than the traction control.

Despite my opposite position in motogp, I think F1 also is not the same without michael schumacher, love him or hate him, just as motogp will be similarly diminished when rossi eventually goes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 31 2007, 11:44 AM) [snapback]97808[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
F1 was much better when it was formula cosworth in the early 80s, before passing on the track was a distant memory. I think they need to get rid of the aerodynamics more than the traction control.

Despite my opposite position in motogp, I think F1 also is not the same without michael schumacher, love him or hate him, just as motogp will be similarly diminished when rossi eventually goes.


I don't see how this relates to what i said before but i completely agree. For me banning TC is a bad idea technically, and will not improve the racing as much as we all hope. With the aerodynamic situation as it is, the racing will struggle to get much closer, but its a cost cutting idea really, just like the engine development cuts.

As for MS, i miss him too but this season has been a total thriller and i for one believe that if Michael was still around the big battle would have been fopr second place.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 31 2007, 11:51 AM) [snapback]97809[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I don't see how this relates to what i said before but i completely agree. For me banning TC is a bad idea technically, and will not improve the racing as much as we all hope. With the aerodynamic situation as it is, the racing will struggle to get much closer, but its a cost cutting idea really, just like the engine development cuts.

As for MS, i miss him too but this season has been a total thriller and i for one believe that if Michael was still around the big battle would have been fopr second place.


I wasn't having a go at you at all tom, just making a general comment about F1 of which I am also a huge fan, and you happened to be the last post. People of my advanced age are not always good on the internet.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 31 2007, 11:58 AM) [snapback]97810[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I wasn't having a go at you at all tom, just making a general comment about F1 of which I am also a huge fan, and you happened to be the last post. People of my advanced age are not always good on the internet.


Its all good man. I wasn't on the defensive, just wondeing why you quoted me. I am totally on board with your comments.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(somedamnwriter @ Oct 31 2007, 11:30 AM) [snapback]97796[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
HERE WE COME SPA!

Ow yeah!!!!!!!! (I think)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Oct 31 2007, 11:45 AM) [snapback]97798[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>


considers slitting wrists



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 31 2007, 12:25 PM) [snapback]97804[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I suspect you are beyond help

Look who's talking

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 31 2007, 12:44 PM) [snapback]97808[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
F1 was much better when it was formula cosworth in the early 80s, before passing on the track was a distant memory. I think they need to get rid of the aerodynamics more than the traction control.
Well yeah, that's maybe true, but still I think banning TC will make it more interesting again. I think overtaking will be easier now. That's one step in the right direction!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 31 2007, 12:44 PM) [snapback]97808[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Despite my opposite position in motogp, I think F1 also is not the same without michael schumacher, love him or hate him, just as motogp will be similarly diminished when rossi eventually goes.

YEP!!!!!
I miss Schumacher A LOT!!! It's just not the same anymore. He was a living legend, simple as that. I never disliked him. Now when he's not racing anymore, I'm starting to like him more and more..weird..I know.
I do think, like Tom already said, if he was still competing, this season wouldn't have been so exciting. I definitely think MS would have won the title, no doubts about it!! If Raikkonen can do it, then MS would have done it for sure!! On the other hand, Raikkonen wouldn't have been champ if he was his teammate, so I'm not complaining