Formula 1 07

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Oct 5 2007, 06:13 PM) [snapback]93939[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Lewis seems to be struggling again here. I have a feeling he's gonna make a mistake this weekend. Like I said on another forum, Hamilton has everything to lose, Alonso has nothing to lose.


Hamilton has everything to lose but he'll have to be a major bonehead to actually lose it. He'll be fine.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Oct 4 2007, 09:33 PM) [snapback]93868[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
After watching the video, he should be punished I think. It would be a serious double standard not to now that they've punished Vettel. But I do agree points deduction is too much, a grid penalty is sufficient.

I think new rules need to be drawn up about safety car situations in the wet. I don't mind the games Hamilton was playing, when its dry. In the wet, its extremely dangerous, and more caution needs to be used I think. It wasn't just the Vettel/Webber incident, the brake test he did on Alonso at the first restart was even more dangerous.


As far as I understand the McLaren ceramic brakes are a ..... to keep warm, especially in the wet . LH had asked his team to ask Webber to drop back whilst the lights were on on the safety car because he was concerned about Webber rear-ending him. Webber was either not told this or paid no heed. At the end of the day LH had to keep within 5 car lengths of the SC and all everyone else had to do was keep out of the rear end of the guy in front. Vettel admitted he was watching Hamilton, therefore not watching Webber, but to penalise him was a bit harsh given the track conditions.

It was only once Vettel was penalised (now withdrawn) that the RedBull/Torro Rosso bull began. Webber laid the blame completely at Vettel's door in colourful language during the Japan coverage so why now blame LH? Honourary winging POM IMHO.

I agree with Murray - common sense has finally prevailed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yamaka46 @ Oct 5 2007, 09:01 PM) [snapback]93957[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
As far as I understand the McLaren ceramic brakes are a ..... to keep warm, especially in the wet . LH had asked his team to ask Webber to drop back whilst the lights were on on the safety car because he was concerned about Webber rear-ending him. Webber was either not told this or paid no heed. At the end of the day LH had to keep within 5 car lengths of the SC and all everyone else had to do was keep out of the rear end of the guy in front. Vettel admitted he was watching Hamilton, therefore not watching Webber, but to penalise him was a bit harsh given the track conditions.

It was only once Vettel was penalised (now withdrawn) that the RedBull/Torro Rosso bull began. Webber laid the blame completely at Vettel's door in colourful language during the Japan coverage so why now blame LH? Honourary winging POM IMHO.

I agree with Murray - common sense has finally prevailed.

After the race he said Hamilton was just as much to blame as Vettel.

Your earlier sentence is the key one here, because thats exactly what the rules state, the leader must stay within 5 car lengths of the safety car. If you watch the video, Hamilton was more than 5 car lengths behind the safety car just before the incident occured. I'd say he could potentially have been 8-10 carlengths behind. Therefore, he did break the rules. Although, as I've said, I think the stunt he pulled on Alonso at the first restart was much more dangerous.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 5 2007, 08:55 PM) [snapback]93956[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Hamilton has everything to lose but he'll have to be a major bonehead to actually lose it. He'll be fine.

Like Rossi, Valencia '06? It's not as farfetched as it sounds...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Oct 5 2007, 09:30 PM) [snapback]93965[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Like Rossi, Valencia '06? It's not as farfetched as it sounds...


Well its not over till its over, but lets be realistic.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 6 2007, 07:23 PM) [snapback]94057[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well its not over till its over, but lets be realistic.

Being realistic is boring

On the subject of the race, I think Hamilton is either light on fuel or on a dry setup, either of which is a gamble. If it rains and he's light on fuel, it may turn out to be a good move, if he's got himself track position he'll be out of the spray and the only driver with a clear view into T1. But it could well backfire if he doesn't manage to break away from the pack. If he was on a dry setup for quali, that could also pay off, we don't know for sure if its going to rain tommorow. A dry setup in the wet he might be struggling, but then again Raikkonen was supposedly on a dry setup in Fuji and the car seemed pretty good for the most part, maybe a little twitchy in some areas. Mind you, they can adjust wing angle in the pitlane, and some things like brake bias and I think also differential on the steering wheel, so he could try and make it more comfortable as the race wears on.

I still stand by my original prediction though

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 6 2007, 08:23 PM) [snapback]94057[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well its not over till its over, but lets be realistic.

Yeah, I would be seriously ''shocked'' if Lewis wouldn't win the title to be honest. A 12 points gap should be enough for Hamilton IMO. Best thing for the excitement would be a LH DNF in tomorrow's race, but I doubt it.

Lewis will start from pole, I do think he's a lighter on fuel, but not too much though, cause there ain't too much difference between Ferrari and Mclaren this weekend. Hopefully Raikkonen is heavier. Fernando must be heavier, cause I can't believe he's 0.7sec slower than Lewis!!!

Hopefully they're allowed to race tomorrow. A rain race is much appreciated

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Franco Fangio @ Oct 6 2007, 09:31 PM) [snapback]94066[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
A rain race is much appreciated


YES PLEASE

From what Im reading there might not be a race Apparantly the weather thats headed for Shanghai isn't just mere rain, its a storm, that looks set to be much worse than what we saw in Fuji. Fingers crossed...

When I actually think about it, qualifying at Suzuka in 04 was cancelled because of a similar kind of thing. Well, cancelled is the wrong word, it was pushed forward to Sunday. Makes me wonder if the race could be pushed forward to Monday? Better than a complete cancellation.

Like you said..fingers crossed!!!!

I want them to race tomorrow, I dont wanna wait till monday or some other time, but then again, safety comes first.

Think I'm going to bed now, when I wake up I expect to see the race..

At the beggining things looked pretty normal today, but that was a SERIOUS race. I cannot believe what i saw!! The good sport in me didn't want me to dream of Hamilton having a DNF but now the title race will be epic in Brazil. Lewis will be gutted that he made such a silly error when it counted so much, but i still think he can win the title. Kimi drove well, and keeps his slim hopes alive again.

I just want a fast foreward button now so i can see the final race!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 7 2007, 08:32 AM) [snapback]94119[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Lewis will be gutted that he made such a silly error when it counted so much, but i still think he can win the title.


It is known as pressure, to the effects of which he has previously seemed immune. I guess starting a race knowing that you could be world champion at the end of it adds another dimension, and breaks the mantra of taking it race by race.

He is still very much the favourite to win, and raikkonen has done him a big favour, as an alonso win would have made things very interesting.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 7 2007, 10:14 AM) [snapback]94125[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
It is known as pressure, to the effects of which he has previously seemed immune. I guess starting a race knowing that you could be world champion at the end of it adds another dimension, and breaks the mantra of taking it race by race.

He is still very much the favourite to win, and raikkonen has done him a big favour, as an alonso win would have made things very interesting.


Yeah, it turns out he isn't invincible, so his competitors (who have nothing to lose) will be positive about that. However Lewis is still favorite in my book, hes still in a strong position.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 7 2007, 09:19 AM) [snapback]94127[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yeah, it turns out he isn't invincible, so his competitors (who have nothing to lose) will be positive about that. However Lewis is still favorite in my book, hes still in a strong position.


It is quite odd, but for guys with his mindset going in to a race knowing that you pretty well have the championship won and can only throw it away through error is more pressure than thinking you absolutely have to win, which would just require your normal approach.

It may be wishful thinking, but I think this may also explain casey stoner's relatively mediocre performances in the last 2 motogp races.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Oct 5 2007, 06:13 PM) [snapback]93939[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Lewis seems to be struggling again here. I have a feeling he's gonna make a mistake this weekend. Like I said on another forum, Hamilton has everything to lose, Alonso has nothing to lose.

Bloody hell.. for once I was right

Anyway, I'm gutted for Hamilton, thats gonna seriously play on his mind if it turns out to be the deciding moment in the championship. But I do think its good for the championship, now we're setup for an awesome final, problem is we have to wait two weeks for it

This season reminds me of '86 in a lot of ways, its just a shame we haven't had the on-track racing to match most of the time.

I'm starting to get the feeling Raikkonen will take it. If those two McLaren's start next to each other, I wouldn't be shocked to see them both take each other out. And it has to be said, Kimi is the man on form at the moment.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Oct 7 2007, 12:44 PM) [snapback]94140[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
And it has to be said, Kimi is the man on form at the moment.


Yeah this is true. I would tell you it was unrealistic to predict that, but after recent events i really don't know what to think. Could we possibly be in for more drama??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 7 2007, 11:19 AM) [snapback]94127[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yeah, it turns out he isn't invincible, so his competitors (who have nothing to lose) will be positive about that. However Lewis is still favorite in my book, hes still in a strong position.

Guess he's human after all then

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Oct 7 2007, 01:44 PM) [snapback]94140[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'm starting to get the feeling Raikkonen will take it. If those two McLaren's start next to each other, I wouldn't be shocked to see them both take each other out. And it has to be said, Kimi is the man on form at the moment.

I know anything can happen, but I really don't see this happening to be honest. I think you're right about Raikkonen, he's indeed in good form at the moment, but that won't help him. Like you said, he needs FA and LH to take each other out, it could happen, just look at the whole Senna-Prost situation, but again, I don't see it happening. I don't think they're that stupid..and low..or are they??? I have to say, they do remind me a bit of Senna & Prost. Guess we'll find out after Brazil. I obviously hope Kimi will win there. I think he can..even if he doesnt win the title, it must mean something if he wins the most races (IF he actually wins there that is). But..I rather see him win a title

About the race..I'm actually watching the repeat now..
WHAT A RACE!!!! Not boring for a minute!! Good start from lewis, good first stint. Raikkonen did a good job following him. Was interesting to see Massa and Fernando fight for 3rd place in the first few corners. Fernando was smart, and let Massa have it..and that was definitely a SMART choice. I can't believe Lewis had a DNF. I was joking about it before the race. To see him NOT finish and Raikkonen winning. Didn't know in a million years I could/would be right. Great win from the Finn, he was fast all weekend, he only didn't take pole (and FL, but to me that's not important). Now the gap is 7 points, IMO, too much to be a serious contender, but hey, this is racing, strange things do happen.

BTW, what a great race by VETTEL (I love the guy!!!!!! How can someone not????), Jense and Kubica (he did an amazing job, but then he retired).

Can't wait for Brazil
I think Ferrari will be strong there. Massa won there last year, hopefully his teammate will win this time


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 7 2007, 02:21 PM) [snapback]94142[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yeah this is true. I would tell you it was unrealistic to predict that, but after recent events i really don't know what to think. Could we possibly be in for more drama??

Let's hope so

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Franco Fangio @ Oct 7 2007, 01:23 PM) [snapback]94143[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Let's hope so


You know what i'm hoping for.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 7 2007, 02:26 PM) [snapback]94144[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
You know what i'm hoping for.

Yes..you like whiners

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Franco Fangio @ Oct 7 2007, 01:31 PM) [snapback]94146[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yes..you like whiners




It's better than liking losers

(thats you by the way)