Formula 1 07

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 6 2007, 07:16 PM) [snapback]89358[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
In an environment this competative these unsporting things do happen from time to time, the real shame for me is the way the situation has been dragged out through the media as a "drama" for people to follow.

Course they do, most years there is some legal proceedings with teams allegedly copying each other, Ferrari and Toyota not long ago springs to mind, but they normally turn a blind eye and settle it out of public view for the good of the sport. This year though, its just pathetic.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Sep 7 2007, 01:09 PM) [snapback]89500[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Course they do, most years there is some legal proceedings with teams allegedly copying each other, Ferrari and Toyota not long ago springs to mind, but they normally turn a blind eye and settle it out of public view for the good of the sport. This year though, its just pathetic.


Agreed, this needs to be dealt with privately. More than anything its not gonna do the drivers mentalities any good being constantly asked about it. Also whichever way it goes in the end there are always going to be the few that will claim it is responsible for the outcome of the championship, which is s pitty considering the showdown we have on our hands.

This new evidence is apparently to do with one or more of the mclaren drivers. apparently there may be evidence of mclaren test driver Pedro De La Rosa having told Alonso something but then somewhere else said that it was Hamilton not Alonso so i dunno!

Monza FP1 times:

1. Raikkonen
2. Massa
3. Hamilton
4. Alonso
5. Rosberg
6. Button
7. Fisichella
8. Kubica
9. Heidfeld
10. Trulli
11. Kovaleinen
12. Barrichello
13. Sato
14. Webber
15. Schumacher
16. Wurz
17. Davidson
18. Coulthard
19. Sutil
20. Vettel
21. Yamamoto
22. Liuzzi

For me Pressures on Kimi this weekend, good start but he needs to win the race to remain in the hunt and hopefully (for him) put some kind of authority over Massa.

FP2 times:

Pos No Driver Team Time/Retired Gap Laps
1 1 Fernando Alonso McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.386 30
2 2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:23.209 0.823 33
3 3 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:23.584 1.198 38
4 10 Robert Kubica BMW 1:23.599 1.213 44
5 16 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1:23.679 1.293 33
6 5 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:23.722 1.336 27
7 9 Nick Heidfeld BMW 1:23.821 1.435 38
8 6 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 1:23.833 1.447 12
9 4 Heikki Kovalainen Renault 1:23.848 1.462 32
10 17 Alexander Wurz Williams-Toyota 1:23.881 1.495 32
11 12 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:23.919 1.533 39
12 11 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1:23.922 1.536 29
13 7 Jenson Button Honda 1:24.137 1.751 36
14 15 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:24.328 1.942 31
15 8 Rubens Barrichello Honda 1:24.462 2.076 40
16 14 David Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1:24.605 2.219 31
17 22 Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 1:25.328 2.942 27
18 19 Sebastian Vettel STR-Ferrari 1:25.459 3.073 36
19 20 Adrian Sutil Spyker-Ferrari 1:25.531 3.145 24
20 18 Vitantonio Liuzzi STR-Ferrari 1:25.567 3.181 26
21 21 Sakon Yamamoto Spyker-Ferrari 1:25.863 3.477 40
22 23 Anthony Davidson Super Aguri-Honda 1:26.021 3.635 6

Alonso fastest by 0.8 secs.

Raikkonen had problems and missed loads of session.

Davidson's car broke.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Valentino Is God @ Sep 7 2007, 06:03 PM) [snapback]89570[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
FP2 times:

Pos No Driver Team Time/Retired Gap Laps
1 1 Fernando Alonso McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.386 30
2 2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:23.209 0.823 33
3 3 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:23.584 1.198 38
4 10 Robert Kubica BMW 1:23.599 1.213 44
5 16 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1:23.679 1.293 33
6 5 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:23.722 1.336 27
7 9 Nick Heidfeld BMW 1:23.821 1.435 38
8 6 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 1:23.833 1.447 12
9 4 Heikki Kovalainen Renault 1:23.848 1.462 32
10 17 Alexander Wurz Williams-Toyota 1:23.881 1.495 32
11 12 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:23.919 1.533 39
12 11 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1:23.922 1.536 29
13 7 Jenson Button Honda 1:24.137 1.751 36
14 15 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:24.328 1.942 31
15 8 Rubens Barrichello Honda 1:24.462 2.076 40
16 14 David Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1:24.605 2.219 31
17 22 Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 1:25.328 2.942 27
18 19 Sebastian Vettel STR-Ferrari 1:25.459 3.073 36
19 20 Adrian Sutil Spyker-Ferrari 1:25.531 3.145 24
20 18 Vitantonio Liuzzi STR-Ferrari 1:25.567 3.181 26
21 21 Sakon Yamamoto Spyker-Ferrari 1:25.863 3.477 40
22 23 Anthony Davidson Super Aguri-Honda 1:26.021 3.635 6

Alonso fastest by 0.8 secs.

Raikkonen had problems and missed loads of session.

Davidson's car broke.
Kimi and problems??? Well, that's something new

Both Ferrari and McLaren seem very strong (what a shock!!). McLaren was fastest today, and I'm sure they'll be strong tomorrow in quali. The fans there are expecting a Ferrari win, I'm not sure they'll win tbh.

Hopefully it will be a close fight

Fernando

it's better to have problems on friday then on weekend... so...
GO KIMI!!!!

Alonso may pull this one out of the bag as he is due a win, saying that I would like to see NH for BMW take it.

Yeah Daz I reckon BMW could have an outside shot here. It'll take a couple of mistakes from the Ferrari's/McLarens, but this is a very high speed low downforce circuit and BMW certainly aren't short of it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Aug 28 2007, 10:12 PM) [snapback]87312[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'm LOVING F1 right now!

4 drivers in the title hunt.

A brit leading.

The Raiko Whino's everywhere.

And the cars sound superb!



Have you been to any of the races? Was at Magny Cours last year (really for the Roger Waters concert on the Friday ) and they sound dreadful.

Tried the straights (oww) and the corners (oww plus crappy TC farting noises). Bring back the V12s or even the V10 screamers FFS.

Anything that sounds that bad must be poor design. V8's are supoosed to be low rpm burbling monsters not 17000 rpm horrors.

Kimi's just had a huge crash, thankfully it seems like hes alright

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Sep 8 2007, 11:09 AM) [snapback]89759[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Kimi's just had a huge crash, thankfully it seems like hes alright


just reading up, the cause of the accident is unclear but it sounded like a big one. Kimi's got a mountain to climb now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dazza @ Sep 8 2007, 05:26 AM) [snapback]89698[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Alonso may pull this one out of the bag as he is due a win, saying that I would like to see NH for BMW take it.

Yes, I also think Fernando has a good chance to win. McLaren seems strong so far. It will be hard for Ferrari, Massa might challenge for pole (I think they would like to get pole in front of their home fans). I'm not sure about Raikkonen, he lost some valuable laps in the final FP, cause of a crash. I haven't seen the crash yet, I'm curious what happened though.

Almost time for the quali, I'm so excited!!! Last time I watched was Nurburgring.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 8 2007, 12:21 PM) [snapback]89761[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
just reading up, the cause of the accident is unclear but it sounded like a big one. Kimi's got a mountain to climb now.

Doesn't he always???

I'm dying of excitement!!! Alonso needs to lay the smack down and start driving like the world champion he is, i hope today's the day!!

Result of the quali:

1 F. Alonso McLaren 1:21.997
2 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:22.034
3 F. Massa Ferrari 1:22.549
4 N. Heidfeld BMW 1:23.174
5 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 1:23.183
6 R. Kubica BMW 1:23.446
7 H. Kovalainen Renault 1:24.102
8 N. Rosberg Williams 1:24.382
9 J. Trulli Toyota 1:24.555
10 J. Button Honda 1:25.165
11 M. Webber Red Bull 1:23.166
12 R. Barrichello Honda 1:23.176
13 A. Wurz Williams 1:23.209
14 A. Davidson Super Aguri 1:23.274
15 G. Fisichella Renault 1:23.325
16 S. Vettel Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:23.351
17 T. Sato Super Aguri 1:23.749
18 R. Schumacher Toyota 1:23.787
19 V. Liuzzi Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:23.886
20 D. Coulthard Red Bull 1:24.019
21 A. Sutil Spyker F1 1:24.699
22 S. Yamamoto Spyker F1 1:25.084

Well deserved pole position for Fernando Alonso. He has been strong all weekend, I think he will win tomorrow. Ferrari just isn't on the same pace this weekend, really a shame, cause it seemed they were finally getting closer in the standings.

Hopefully Kimi will have a good start, he NEEDS that, if he wants to reach the podium, and to be honest, I don't see it happening.

HELL YEAH

crash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQQ3Vv9dNiI

notice those three guys behind the wall. I wouldn't like to be there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Franco Fangio @ Sep 8 2007, 02:17 PM) [snapback]89779[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Result of the quali:

1 F. Alonso McLaren 1:21.997
2 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:22.034
3 F. Massa Ferrari 1:22.549
4 N. Heidfeld BMW 1:23.174
5 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 1:23.183
6 R. Kubica BMW 1:23.446
7 H. Kovalainen Renault 1:24.102
8 N. Rosberg Williams 1:24.382
9 J. Trulli Toyota 1:24.555
10 J. Button Honda 1:25.165
11 M. Webber Red Bull 1:23.166
12 R. Barrichello Honda 1:23.176
13 A. Wurz Williams 1:23.209
14 A. Davidson Super Aguri 1:23.274
15 G. Fisichella Renault 1:23.325
16 S. Vettel Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:23.351
17 T. Sato Super Aguri 1:23.749
18 R. Schumacher Toyota 1:23.787
19 V. Liuzzi Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:23.886
20 D. Coulthard Red Bull 1:24.019
21 A. Sutil Spyker F1 1:24.699
22 S. Yamamoto Spyker F1 1:25.084

Well deserved pole position for Fernando Alonso. He has been strong all weekend, I think he will win tomorrow. Ferrari just isn't on the same pace this weekend, really a shame, cause it seemed they were finally getting closer in the standings.

Hopefully Kimi will have a good start, he NEEDS that, if he wants to reach the podium, and to be honest, I don't see it happening.

With the way F1 is now, it'd be hard to bet on any other outcome.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(memento @ Sep 8 2007, 03:51 PM) [snapback]89798[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
crash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQQ3Vv9dNiI

notice those three guys behind the wall. I wouldn't like to be there.

I'd go as far as saying thats the most dangerous accident we've had all year. From the outside it doesn't look as spectacular as Kubica's crash, but Kubica's car diccipated around him and absorbed the impact. Crashes like Raikkonen's, head on collisions with the barriers, where the car slows down from 150mph+ to 0mph in a matter of seconds are the ones where you can really get hurt.

Ferrari engineers said he just lost it under braking. Unfortunately that type of accident is fairly common at Monza with the lack of downforce. It's what killed Jochen Rindt

^Yes he was very lucky to walk away from that. When MS crashed in 99 at Silverstone in similar fashion he ended up with a broken leg.

Again the Mclarens are in a league of their own, just wondering what fuel loads they are carrying though? and BMW are consistent again. Should be a good race hopefully as I like Monza.