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Hmmmmm, he is fast, but can he be fast every weekend?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 14 2007, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hmmmmm, he is fast, but can he be fast every weekend?
Thats the unknown, he made a lot of progress last year, people were saying he was too wild, but hes tamed his style a bit, and I think hes one of the most underated drivers on the grid. My moneys on him for the title.

1 . D. Coulthard - Red Bull Renault RB3 - 1:21.855 (+ 0.000 ) - 112 laps
2 . N. Heidfeld - BMW Sauber F1.07 - 1:21.958 (+ 0.103 ) - 96 laps
3 . F. Massa - Ferrari F2007 - 1:21.964 (+ 0.109 ) - 92 laps
4 . F. Alonso - McLaren Mercedes MP4-22 - 1:22.103 (+ 0.248 ) - 114 laps
5 . N. Rosberg - Williams Toyota FW29 - 1:22.280 (+ 0.425 ) - 86 laps
6 . L. Hamilton - McLaren Mercedes MP4-22 - 1:22.292 (+ 0.437 ) - 125 laps
7 . K. Raikkonen - Ferrari F2007 - 1:22.369 (+ 0.514 ) - 45 laps
8 . F. Montagny - Toyota TF107 - 1:22.446 (+ 0.591 ) - 107 laps
9 . G. Fisichella - Renault R27 - 1:22.758 (+ 0.903 ) - 90 laps
10 . H. Kovalainen - Renault R27 - 1:22.783 (+ 0.928 ) - 56 laps
11 . M. Webber - Red Bull Renault RB3 - 1:22.834 (+ 0.979 ) - 61 laps
12 . J. Button - Honda RA107 - 1:23.061 (+ 1.206 ) - 91 laps
13 . R. Barrichello - Honda RA107 - 1:23.257 (+ 1.402 ) - 39 laps
14 . A. Wurz - Williams Toyota FW29 - 1:23.275 (+ 1.420 ) - 39 laps
15 . S. Vettel - BMW Sauber F1.07 - 1:23.569 (+ 1.714 ) - 56 laps
16 . R. Schumacher - Toyota TF107 - 1:23.789 (+ 1.934 ) - 82 laps
17 . C. Albers - Spyker Ferrari F8-VII - 1:23.947 (+ 2.092 ) - 87 laps
18 . T. Sato - Super Aguri Honda RA107 - 1:24.568 (+ 2.713 ) - 123 laps
19 . V. Liuzzi - Toro Rosso Ferrari STR2 - 1:26.822 (+ 4.967 ) - 30 laps.

I hope Honda are playing mind games, cos things aint lookin too good for JB atm

Good news for Red Bull though, definetely dark horses this year with a Newey design.. Although with tight aero it'll probably be fast yet fragile

neither of the RBR drivers are good enough to challaenge for the title

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 14 2007, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>neither of the RBR drivers are good enough to challaenge for the title
DC no, but Webber might just have it in him.. we've not really seen him in a competitive car as of yet.. Its just whether he can stay with the leaders for the whole race

ppfft, its just not going to happen. There is no way that webber is gonna beat Alonso, raikonen and Massa. I don't doubt he can win races but he will not be the 07 champ.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 15 2007, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ppfft, its just not going to happen. There is no way that webber is gonna beat Alonso, raikonen and Massa. I don't doubt he can win races but he will not be the 07 champ.
Also don't see it happening. I would be surprised if RBR won races to be honest. I think they will have a good car, but I expect to see McLaren, Ferrari and Renault up front. A couple of years ago I actually had the feeling Mark could be a future champ. I always thought he had something, but as usual you need the car, and I don't think RBR will be a title contender.

I have a lot of faith in Adrian Newey. While it might not be realistic for them to challenge for the title this year, in 2008 they could be right up there.

Don't be suprised to see them having their moments this year though. As i said, they've gone all out for speed with the aero. They could be very quick. Reliability is the big worry.

I don't doubt the car, i just don't think the drivers have what it takes. If webber has a good-ish time this year he could challenge in 2008.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 15 2007, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ppfft, its just not going to happen. There is no way that webber is gonna beat Alonso, raikonen and Massa. I don't doubt he can win races but he will not be the 07 champ.
Yeah I agree with you that there's no way Mark Webber is going to challenge with the top guns, i'd be suprised if he was challenging for 4th-8th spots! We'll see though and keep track of how he does over the year. Do you think he could be the suprise winner in 07?

Yes i think he could take a win this year, but over a season he is not in the same class as the really quick guys.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 17 2007, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes i think he could take a win this year, but over a season he is not in the same class as the really quick guys.
He might be, if he had the right car of course. Let's be honest, it's bout the car. I actually think Mark is a fast driver. He showed that a few times when he was driving the Jaguar in 2003 (and Jaguar wasnt that great!). He showed he could be fast with a not so good car. Kimi is considered being a ''fast'' driver, but last year he didn't seem that fast all the time. It's about the car..
In 2005 Mclaren had a really fast car and Kimi looked really fast that year.
Anyway, I'm not saying Webber is in the same class as drivers like KR and FA. I dunno tbh, but he could be. He never really had a (fast) car to show his true potential.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Feb 18 2007, 08:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He might be, if he had the right car of course. Let's be honest, it's bout the car. I actually think Mark is a fast driver. He showed that a few times when he was driving the Jaguar in 2003 (and Jaguar wasnt that great!). He showed he could be fast with a not so good car. Kimi is considered being a ''fast'' driver, but last year he didn't seem that fast all the time. It's about the car..
In 2005 Mclaren had a really fast car and Kimi looked really fast that year.
Anyway, I'm not saying Webber is in the same class as drivers like KR and FA. I dunno tbh, but he could be. He never really had a (fast) car to show his true potential.
Why are you contradicting yourself? Firstly you're saying you think he's as quick as FA and the rest if he has the right car underneath him but then at the end of your post you say he's not on the same level with FA and KR etc.
Mark Webber is a good driver but to be honest I just think he's another Jenson Button, Felipe Massa, Giancarlo Fisichella...and that's the best compliment i'd give him. You can say 4 times out of 5 when he retires that it's the cars fault but is it really? I swear i've seen him make loads of errors in the past and plenty last season. Anyway let's just see how he gets on.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Feb 18 2007, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why are you contradicting yourself? Firstly you're saying you think he's as quick as FA and the rest if he has the right car underneath him but then at the end of your post you say he's not on the same level with FA and KR etc.
Mark Webber is a good driver but to be honest I just think he's another Jenson Button, Felipe Massa, Giancarlo Fisichella...and that's the best compliment i'd give him. You can say 4 times out of 5 when he retires that it's the cars fault but is it really? I swear i've seen him make loads of errors in the past and plenty last season. Anyway let's just see how he gets on.
I didnt say he would be as ''quick'' (as FA and KR) if he had the right car. I said he ''might'' be. That's a difference. Even if I said he ''would'' be if he had the right car, it doesn't put him in the same league as drivers like KR and FA. Someone can be quick without having what it takes to become a worldchampion (or at least challenging for the championship).

Anyway, you're right..let's just see how he gets on..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Feb 18 2007, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mark Webber is a good driver but to be honest I just think he's another Jenson Button, Felipe Massa, Giancarlo Fisichella...and that's the best compliment i'd give him

Felipe Massa does not belong in that list of names. He is a true talent for the future and a genuine 2007 title contender. He has shown his strengths already. Fisi is just an average allround driver, and Button Lacks that extra edge it needs to get to the top (Maybe he'll find that edge). But i'd say Massa already has what it takes, he just needs to refine himself a bit and gain experience. To me that is very different

IMO Massa is not that good, I think Kimi will kick his ....
I think Button is better than both.

There is hope of button becoming better than Massa in the future, but there is no way in hell Button is on Kimis level, and i doubt he will be.

Scott Speed.
Red, white and blue.
Enough said.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Feb 19 2007, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IMO Massa is not that good, I think Kimi will kick his ....
I think Button is better than both.
I strongly disagree with you here Teo. Let's start with Felipe Massa - he's a very talented young driver and helped Schumacher throughout last season and even managed to snatch himself a home Brazilian GP win. He showed raw talent in the Ferrari and I can see him doing just as well if not better this year even though the competitiveness will increase, but I think he is better than Button but not as good as Kimi Raikkonen. If Button had the same car then things may change but comnig from a british person too I have to say that Massa is better through my eyes. Raikkonen may be just as good as Alonso if not better, let alone competition from Massa and Button! I won't bother to say anything else - he'll let the results do the talking. ALONSO FTW!

Well that's your opinion, I haven't seen anything in Massa that makes me think he is "very talented", he was beaten by Fisi and Schumi by a mile when teammates. He is accident prone and in wet races he is pitiful.