Ezpeleta Rossi Will Ride Competitive bike 2013

yamaka46 · Jun 29, 2012

povol said:
No one ever said Lorenzo and Stoner were Gods, that was reserved for a certain cult. Yes he won races, and a couple of championships, but the walk on water miracles of riding from the back of the pack to win races were long gone once Stoner and Lorenzo arrived. He could not toy with them and had to race balls out. Its not a coincedence that his winning percentage was slashed by 50 %. If Rossi is a God, i guess that makes Stoner a Super Maximus Prime God, you know, since he has dominated the regular God.

As Spooky has already pointed out, Assen 07 and to a lesser extent Sepang 10 give the lie to the "he can't ride from the back of the pack to win races". As for the fact that his winning percentage has been slashed since Stoner and Lorenzo turned up - you have to remember that he is older than either. He also was able to "race balls out" and beat them in 2008 & 2009.

I don't maintain that Rossi is a god, and think that Stoner is a more naturally skilled and versatile rider. Stoner has demonstrably beaten Rossi during the time that they have both been on factory machines, and Stoner at Ducati was probably a real god, although he hasn't utterly dominated the field on the more friendly Honda, even last year when the chatter was less evident.

Lorenzo on the other hand, whilst hugely talented, is a rider whose style is very similar to Rossi's and I think that the case is less clear cut as to which is better. During the time they have been racing together Lorenzo has been on what is arguably the best bike. He has 40 podiums to Rossi's 42 & 21 wins to Rossi's 16 wins. 7 of those wins were after Rossi left Yamaha and so stopped challenging him for wins & podiums, but on the flip side in Lorenzo's first year when highsiding to the moon, he "only" managed 1 win & 6 podiums.

Z4Kevo · Jun 29, 2012

Jumkie said:
No. But the blatantness of it all seems to be increasing. At one time Peeps relied on putting 2&2 together, now they dont even attempt to appear legit. Its like they know we'll tune in regardless, so FU. Gots me taking a second look at CS retirement.

Has me wondering too...

michaelm · Jun 30, 2012

chopperman said:
I don't hate. Like Stoner, i say it as i see it ! Some so called fans here don't actually support any rider, they just support hatred of rossi and his fans. They will give shallow support to any rider at the time who beats him. Guess they will all be Lorenzo fans next season. I don't group you in as a hater, well maybe towards me but not any riders but you do tend to believe your assumptions are fact. That's your down fall.

I freely admit my posts often contain sophistry, which is or was formerly part of the fun, and I have been prepared to accept arguments which disproved mine such as those advanced by the likes of babelfish and yamaka in the past, or jumkie for that matter before we entered this "neobopper" paradigm, I having resisted calling anyone a "rossibopper" ever as far as I can recall.

My point regarding irony was not that my assumptions are always true, which as you correctly point out is not the case, but that in pointing this out you assume that your assumptions are fact.

Valentino rossi is the most loved motogp bike rider of all time, and one of the most loved sports stars in all sports of recent decades. Good luck to him, he likely deserves such adulation, he is a charming guy and has had well merited and amazing success.

For those such as you to complain about rossi being hated, because of the odd peurile adolescent jibe about his alleged homosexuality not made by anyone of substance, or (in my obviously biased opinion) a few posters on obscure internet forums disagreeing with you about the worth of the performances of riders other than rossi, lacks (again imobo) a sense of proportion. Stoner was subjected to a sustained campaign of vicious bilious denigration at the time of what he obviously considers was a genuine health problem in 2009, and if you listen to /read what he actually said at the time of his retirement it was this and the failure of the senior management and sponsorship if not the actual motogp racing team of the manufacturer for whom he rode to support him which lead to his disillusionment with the sport, after nearly derailing his career at the time anyway. I haven't seen any of you withdraw any of the gleeful gloating stuff about his mental disintegration and fakery since then either, despite events of last year fairly conclusively disproving most of what you contended, again imobo.

Arrabbiata1 · Jun 30, 2012

chopperman said:
Hatred can really cloud a man's views and judgement.make them say stupid things.

chopperman said:
Ashley Cole is a .......

The mother ...... cole will be at St Marys on march 30th, he better hope i'm over it by then or he is going to catch some abuse and a phlegm ball in the face if i get close enough.

chopperman · Jun 30, 2012

michaelm said:
I freely admit my posts often contain sophistry, which is or was formerly part of the fun, and I have been prepared to accept arguments which disproved mine such as those advanced by the likes of babelfish and yamaka in the past, or jumkie for that matter before we entered this "neobopper" paradigm, I having resisted calling anyone a "rossibopper" ever as far as I can recall.

My point regarding irony was not that my assumptions are always true, which as you correctly point out is not the case, but that in pointing this out you assume that your assumptions are fact.

Valentino rossi is the most loved motogp bike rider of all time, and one of the most loved sports stars in all sports of recent decades. Good luck to him, he likely deserves such adulation, he is a charming guy and has had well merited and amazing success.

For those such as you to complain about rossi being hated, because of the odd peurile adolescent jibe about his alleged homosexuality not made by anyone of substance, or (in my obviously biased opinion) a few posters on obscure internet forums disagreeing with you about the worth of the performances of riders other than rossi, lacks (again imobo) a sense of proportion. Stoner was subjected to a sustained campaign of vicious bilious denigration at the time of what he obviously considers was a genuine health problem in 2009, and if you listen to /read what he actually said at the time of his retirement it was this and the failure of the senior management and sponsorship if not the actual motogp racing team of the manufacturer for whom he rode to support him which lead to his disillusionment with the sport, after nearly derailing his career at the time anyway. I haven't seen any of you withdraw any of the gleeful gloating stuff about his mental disintegration and fakery since then either, despite events of last year fairly conclusively disproving most of what you contended, again imobo.

You have danced around the whole point and put spin on it. I will re-cap.

I stated Povol hates Rossi. FACT! he has admitted to this many times I state this clouds his judgement. You post your irony remark implying i hate stoner. I have given stoner complements and criticisms in equal measures. I don't hate him but you assume i do because i don't give him a free pass on his childishness.

There was no irony in my post, only your assumptions made it ironic .

chopperman · Jun 30, 2012

Arrabbiata1 said:

Shut your face !

michaelm · Jun 30, 2012

chopperman said:
You have danced around the whole point and put spin on it. I will re-cap.

I stated Povol hates Rossi. FACT! he has admitted to this many times I state this clouds his judgement. You post your irony remark implying i hate stoner. I have given stoner complements and criticisms in equal measures. I don't hate him but you assume i do because i don't give him a free pass on his childishness.

There was no irony in my post, only your assumptions made it ironic .

There was no irony in your post where our discussion of irony commenced, in which after calling me a neobopper you acclaimed yourself for your prescience in picking lorenzo in 2008 as the next mutiple motogp champion?

povol · Jun 30, 2012

chopperman said:
You have danced around the whole point and put spin on it. I will re-cap.

I stated Povol hates Rossi. FACT! he has admitted to this many times I state this clouds his judgement. You post your irony remark implying i hate stoner. I have given stoner complements and criticisms in equal measures. I don't hate him but you assume i do because i don't give him a free pass on his childishness.

There was no irony in my post, only your assumptions made it ironic .

Then i dont hate Rossi since i have clearly stated numerous times in the past that i thought he was one of the best riders the series has ever seen. Things are so much clearer now that the clouds have disappeared.

Geonerd · Jun 30, 2012

chopperman said:
You have danced around the whole point and put spin on it. I will re-cap.

I stated Povol hates Rossi. FACT! he has admitted to this many times I state this clouds his judgement. You post your irony remark implying i hate stoner. I have given stoner complements and criticisms in equal measures. I don't hate him but you assume i do because i don't give him a free pass on his childishness.

There was no irony in my post, only your assumptions made it ironic .

Calling someone a 'hater' is currently popular. It's also also indescribably lazy and is a bit of a cheap shot.

Maybe you'd better explain WTF you're on about, Rog. I somehow can't see Evil Old Pov wildly dancing 'round a midnight fire in the darkest Tennessee swampland, slugging moonshine and smoking the local foliage, while jabbing giant needles into a yellow Voodoo doll and cursing, Ahab style, "Death to Valentino!"

If you're trying to say, "Pov doesn't think the sun shines out of Valentino's ....", I think most of us would agree. But that's not nearly so dramatical, is it?

Many folks see Rossi as a bit of a two faced dickwad. One minute he's laying on the phony-... winking-at-the-camera Clown Act[sub]tm[/sub], and the next he's blackmailing the organizers or delivering a malicious dig to an opponent via the lap-it-all-up-and-publish-every-drop press. Are these people 'Haters' too?

Keshav · Jun 30, 2012

Geonerd said:
Calling someone a 'hater' is currently popular. It's also also indescribably lazy and is a bit of a cheap shot.

Maybe you'd better explain WTF your on about, Rog. I somehow can't see Evil Old Pov wildly dancing 'round a midnight fire in the darkest Tennessee swampland, slugging moonshine and smoking the local foliage, while jabbing giant needles into a yellow Voodoo doll and cursing, Ahab style, "Death to Valentino!"

If you're trying to say, "Pov doesn't think the sun shines out of Valentino's ....", I think most of us would agree. But that's not nearly so dramatical, is it?

Many folks see Rossi as a bit of a two faced dickwad. One minute he's laying on the phony-... winking-at-the-camera Clown Act[sub]tm[/sub], and the next he's blackmailing the organizers or delivering a malicious dig to an opponent via the lap-it-all-up-and-publish-every-drop press. Are these people 'Haters' too?

You got me thinking that it would be fun to have a debate with Jerry Springer moderating. On on side there would be Talpa and Rog arguing the pro-Rossi side and

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Darn! I can't think who their equally melodramatic counterparts would be.

birdman · Jun 30, 2012

Rossi_fan said:
I agree that MotoGP needs a new star besides rossi, but nobody has stepped up that can match his performance On and OFF the track. Jorge and casey can on the track, but their personalities are non-existant.

I think the reason everyone loves rossi is that he's done super human things time and time again. Casey and Jorge win races, but which of them have won a race from 11th on the grid?

Let's hope somebody comes along that is likable and fast as God. That's not too much to ask.

So what got them started was along the lines of if we dont agree with this post it means we are haters? I happen to like discussing complicated personilities of withdrawn type introverts just as much if not more than extroverts. The fact Stoner is one and Rossi the other is what made the battles between the two so fascinating, but a simple statement along the lines of "I like extroverts because introverts are boring non-existant personalities" is something I will never agree with, so sign me up in the hater club I suppose.

Geonerd · Jun 30, 2012

birdman said:
So what got them started was along the lines of if we dont agree with this post it means we are haters? I happen to like discussing complicated personalities of withdrawn type introverts just as much if not more than extroverts. The fact Stoner is one and Rossi the other is what made the battles between the two so fascinating, but a simple statement along the lines of "I like extroverts because introverts are boring non-existant personalities" is something I will never agree with, so sign me up in the hater club I suppose.

As a certified Nerd-Introvert, I salute you sir!

I don't 'hate' extroverts by default. Someone like Edwards seems likeable enough, and I wouldn't mind having a few beers with him. At the same time, a few hours of his company would quickly become 'enough,' and I'd soon need to take a walk to recharge.

I will admit to holding a certain sense of suspicion regarding the Yuk-yuk personalities I encounter. VR's winky-wink games and look-at-me hijinks are so utterly alien to my view of life that I can't help but view them as insincere. Combine this with his well established 'habit' of significantly bashing and belittling his opponents, and I tend to throw him in the "Scumball Politician" bin.

For better or worse, all of Western society sees introverts in a less than glowing light. This is a trend that is only getting worse - witness the confused young Bopper you quote; he seems to think that the whole world owes him an unending stream of giggly entertainment. Have you've ever asked, "How the .... is it that people like Rossi are glorified, while a straightforward dude like Stoner is relentlessly bashed?" Here's an interrresting book (by a smokin' author!) on the larger subject. http://www.amazon.co...ader/0307352145 I read a few pages at the bookstore a while back and immediately added it to my library wish list.

Jumkie · Jun 30, 2012

Geonerd said:
As a certified Nerd-Introvert, I salute you sir!

Why salute Bird, he's johnny come lately. I said the same thing way back. The world hates introverts, and Stoner is one. I defended him way before the neo-boppers started calling me a hater for unrelated truths about some particular comments, antics, and complaints that I didn't quite agree with (boppers, of any sort, demand worship). Introverts are mostly bullied and extroverts are rewarded. Look it up. I have a kid who is an introvert. Thats why I'm interested in the subject. Here is a good article. It changed my life.

http://www.time.com/...05432-1,00.html

Geonerd · Jun 30, 2012

Jumkie said:
Why salute Bird, he's johnny come lately. I said the same thing way back.

WHEN?

The world hates introverts, and Stoner is one. I defended him way before the neo-boppers started calling me a hater for unrelated truths about some particular comments, antics, and complaints that I didn't quite agree with. Introverts are mostly bullied and extroverts are rewarded. Look it up. I have a kid who is an introvert. Thats why I'm interested in the subject. Here is a good article. It changed my life.

http://www.time.com/...05432-1,00.html

Cool. Glad to see the topic is finally getting some air time!

Jumkie · Jun 30, 2012

Geonerd said:
Cool. Glad to see the topic is finally getting some air time!

Here is another article on introverts vs extroverts.

http://superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jun/120627m8usz.htm

chopperman · Jun 30, 2012

Geonerd said:
Calling someone a 'hater' is currently popular. It's also also indescribably lazy and is a bit of a cheap shot.

Maybe you'd better explain WTF you're on about, Rog. I somehow can't see Evil Old Pov wildly dancing 'round a midnight fire in the darkest Tennessee swampland, slugging moonshine and smoking the local foliage, while jabbing giant needles into a yellow Voodoo doll and cursing, Ahab style, "Death to Valentino!"

If you're trying to say, "Pov doesn't think the sun shines out of Valentino's ....", I think most of us would agree. But that's not nearly so dramatical, is it?

Many folks see Rossi as a bit of a two faced dickwad. One minute he's laying on the phony-... winking-at-the-camera Clown Act[sub]tm[/sub], and the next he's blackmailing the organizers or delivering a malicious dig to an opponent via the lap-it-all-up-and-publish-every-drop press. Are these people 'Haters' too?

What a load of Neo spin !

Geonerd · Jul 1, 2012

chopperman said:
What a load of Neo spin !

I'll interpret that limp-beyond-all-hope reply as:

Insightful Introverts: 1

Blowhard Bullies: 0

http://www.powerslide.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif

dwoodhouse · Jul 1, 2012

Geonerd said:
I'll interpret that limp-beyond-all-hope reply as:

Insightful Introverts: 1

Blowhard Bullies: 0

http://www.powerslide.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif

Every 4 foot tall midget is tough on the Internet.

nomad · Jul 1, 2012

akeizm said:
Well I hope Rossi becomes competitve again. Need some more top class riders up the front of the field next year or it will be a white wash for Lorenzo.

Marquez will be on a Repsol Honda next year and I have a feeling he's going to be annoying Lorenzo a lot.

chopperman · Jul 1, 2012

Geonerd said:
I'll interpret that limp-beyond-all-hope reply as:

Insightful Introverts: 1

Blowhard Bullies: 0

http://www.powerslide.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif

Interpret it how you like, if you had been reading posts over the past 6 years and paying attention you would see the hatred is plain to see, especially of Rossi and his fans but certain members.

Maybe you are blind to it, after all you were the one who accused Rossi of being happy about simos death. This all gained from a snap shot of his disembarking from a flight !

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