Ezpeleta Rossi Will Ride Competitive bike 2013

Tis a bit smelly yes, however I feel as though Ezy has no other option but to continue to play his ..... card. Lorenzo is not a replacement for Rossi, and there are no other even 'close to be's' in the ranks. Dorna has made one crucial mistake, allowing Honda and Bridgestone to .... them up the ...-royally.....!



Ezy knows that the 800 era 'got away from them' as they allowed the boffins to rule the roost, and now they are trying to play catch up with the only ace they have left-Valentino Rossi.........I'm sure most realize, especially from the incredible pace which ensues upon any precipitation falling from the skies, that Rossi has far from 'lost it' and Ducati (or prezzy) are continuing to 'sit on their hands' with the big lump of a donk. And to be realistic, Ducati have not had a 'truly competitive' bike since 2008.....so he's not over-stating anything.....merely pointing out the facts.



This may just be a prelude to a very exciting new engine to be unveiled in the USA for the Desmo, or it could be a hint towards a Honda or Yamaha deal for next year for Rossi, or even a blind-side that the newly proposed regs will even up the field and bring the two runaway manufacturers back to the (very small) rest of the field.



What ever way you look at it, VR will not stay racing in Motogp for 7th, it doesn't take an expert to come to this conclusion.

IF Rossi moves on to another team, will JB and his crew follow Rossi again?

How many years has JB got left in him? It's gotta be hard travelling around the world while your family is in Australia.

JB isn't a 'Spring Chicken' any more. (This is not a stab at JB, just a genuine question)

I'm wondering if this is a plan from DORNA to keep vr around long term. I wouldn't mind betting that they will subsidize a VR team, with him riding the only bike for the next 2 seasons, then have another young rider step up and fill the seat. Rossi will then be a big part of the paddock still as team owner/manager. That spells publicity for the next bunch of years.

Well I hope Rossi becomes competitve again. Need some more top class riders up the front of the field next year or it will be a white wash for Lorenzo.

Talpa said:

Tis a bit smelly yes, however I feel as though Ezy has no other option but to continue to play his ..... card. Lorenzo is not a replacement for Rossi, and there are no other even 'close to be's' in the ranks. Dorna has made one crucial mistake, allowing Honda and Bridgestone to .... them up the ...-royally.....!



Ezy knows that the 800 era 'got away from them' as they allowed the boffins to rule the roost, and now they are trying to play catch up with the only ace they have left-Valentino Rossi.........I'm sure most realize, especially from the incredible pace which ensues upon any precipitation falling from the skies, that Rossi has far from 'lost it' and Ducati (or prezzy) are continuing to 'sit on their hands' with the big lump of a donk. And to be realistic, Ducati have not had a 'truly competitive' bike since 2008.....so he's not over-stating anything.....merely pointing out the facts.



This may just be a prelude to a very exciting new engine to be unveiled in the USA for the Desmo, or it could be a hint towards a Honda or Yamaha deal for next year for Rossi, or even a blind-side that the newly proposed regs will even up the field and bring the two runaway manufacturers back to the (very small) rest of the field.



What ever way you look at it, VR will not stay racing in Motogp for 7th, it doesn't take an expert to come to this conclusion.

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Exactly, no matter how much anyone likes it or not Rossi has $$$$ and is going to be in control of what he does. He's the one who chose Ducati and is now taking his giant serving of humble pie. He hasn't broken his contract with Duc or done any other shady dealing while there, he's serving his time lmao. It's a good thing he wants to stay in GP, imagine if he bad mouthed the sport and went to WSBK or just gave up. He only wants a chance to win on the big stage again.

Talpa said:

Tis a bit smelly yes, however I feel as though Ezy has no other option but to continue to play his ..... card. Lorenzo is not a replacement for Rossi, and there are no other even 'close to be's' in the ranks. Dorna has made one crucial mistake, allowing Honda and Bridgestone to .... them up the ...-royally.....!



Ezy knows that the 800 era 'got away from them' as they allowed the boffins to rule the roost, and now they are trying to play catch up with the only ace they have left-Valentino Rossi.........I'm sure most realize, especially from the incredible pace which ensues upon any precipitation falling from the skies, that Rossi has far from 'lost it' and Ducati (or prezzy) are continuing to 'sit on their hands' with the big lump of a donk. And to be realistic, Ducati have not had a 'truly competitive' bike since 2008.....so he's not over-stating anything.....merely pointing out the facts.



This may just be a prelude to a very exciting new engine to be unveiled in the USA for the Desmo, or it could be a hint towards a Honda or Yamaha deal for next year for Rossi, or even a blind-side that the newly proposed regs will even up the field and bring the two runaway manufacturers back to the (very small) rest of the field.



What ever way you look at it, VR will not stay racing in Motogp for 7th, it doesn't take an expert to come to this conclusion.

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This whole load of puerile crap and drivel,is what is truly wrong with MGP.



MGP needs to move away from Rossi and find the new competitive riders, Dorna don't ..... but MGP does.

Talpa, Hawk, i disagree. If Dorna doesnt step in it would have been very likely Honda & Yamaha would have gone on without him. Its exactly like the change of rookie rule to force feed us Marc into a factory seat in MotoGP. These are the darlings of the sport and the league CEO is doing their bidding. Nothing about this passes the smell test. U should realize this from the fact the announcement comes from Carmelo rather that Rossi's agent, which u both have missed is the same man. That should be a red flag to u. What chance do people like Nicky Hayden have in this game? No clout no representation.



There are only 4 competitive bikes in GP. U could eliminate all the rest, and the podiums would remain the same fir the most part. Its a farce we are all watching, which is fine, but the joke is on those who think its legit. Thats what i have always found separates the spectators of this sport.

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Talpa, Hawk, i disagree. If Dorna doesnt step in it would have been very likely Honda & Yamaha would have gone on without him. Its exactly like the change of rookie rule to force feed us Marc into a factory seat in MotoGP. These are the darlings of the sport and the league CEO is doing their bidding. Nothing about this passes the smell test. U should realize this from the fact the announcement comes from Carmelo rather that Rossi's agent, which u both have missed is the same man. That should be a red flag to u. What chance do people like Nicky Hayden have in this game? No clout no representation.



There are only 4 competitive bikes in GP. U could eliminate all the rest, and the podiums would remain the same fir the most part. Its a farce we are all watching, which is fine, but the joke is on those who think its legit. Thats what i have always found separates the spectators of this sport.

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We don't know for sure what's gonna happen yet, he may not be on a factory team and if he does get a sat honda and fronts the bill for factory parts I don't have a problem with that any more than Cal and Dovi buying their own upgraded brakes. If Duc ends up with no one to lease their ...... bikes to and Honda is allowed to fill the grid with an extra bike or two I don't have a problem there either, just like I didn't have a problem with suzuki being allowed to break two rules so the grid would be better. Either way nothing is set in stone and we can't deny that Rossi brings sponsors, money, and bike selling power. I wouldn't bring up Nicky here, he's chosen to stay on a .... bike when he could have taken a chance like Dovi. Nicky got screwed but that excuse can't be used for his entire career, no one is forcing him to stay on that .... bike. If Rossi wanted to he could end his days on that .... bike and collect plenty of money to, but he wants to win and I respect that.

This wont win me any points with the Nicky fan club but it's been the same story after every race "we have to try harder but we're working hard". This might turn him into a number 1 rider next year, oddly enough Rossi is giving him what he hasn't gone after himself, lets see if he can do something with it.

Jumkie said:

Talpa, Hawk, i disagree. If Dorna doesnt step in it would have been very likely Honda & Yamaha would have gone on without him. Its exactly like the change of rookie rule to force feed us Marc into a factory seat in MotoGP. These are the darlings of the sport and the league CEO is doing their bidding. Nothing about this passes the smell test. U should realize this from the fact the announcement comes from Carmelo rather that Rossi's agent, which u both have missed is the same man. That should be a red flag to u. What chance do people like Nicky Hayden have in this game? No clout no representation.



There are only 4 competitive bikes in GP. U could eliminate all the rest, and the podiums would remain the same fir the most part. Its a farce we are all watching, which is fine, but the joke is on those who think its legit. Thats what i have always found separates the spectators of this sport.

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Yes indeed, but the premise of 'favoritism' in Motogp certainly doesn't pertain to just two riders...and certainly not to riders only.



You bring up Nicky, and that reminds me of Nicky's entry into Motogp in 2003. And of what is probably the most 'controversial' promotion to the big league ever IMO. I love Nicky, but his ascension to the Repsol Honda Full-Factory seat beside Rossi after only winning a domestic superbike series was more than a little 'Favored' and heavily influenced by Honda USA.....to say the least.



This signing was not legit at all, did he deserve the full-factory spot over all of the other competition from the lower classes and the International Superbike Series, let alone the other riders in Motogp already? I think not. Over time Nicky did earn it, but in 2003 he was shown massive amounts of favoritism because of his passport. In fact Nicky Hayden has probably enjoyed the best run in Motogp-period. Nicky has been on Full-Factory spec equipment for 10 years now (maybe omit the Duck years from here though....), and has only won 3 races...........? So I would say that he should consider himself very lucky and I would argue that he has displayed plenty of 'Clout' to still be there at all. The only other rider to enjoy that amount of time of factory equipment is his current teammate, and his record is somewhat different.



Marquez and Pedrosa also have been shown massive amounts of favoritism, Marquez of recent times, and Pedrosa in 2006-08. With the allowance of Pedrosa's dumping of Michelin mid-season, mid-contract Dorna showed little spine when it came to Spanish $$$$ and influence-and Honda's monster effort to build not only a bike-but an entire series around Dani. Or maybe the immense favoritism shown to Sete Gibernau, who took eons to finally become competitive, despite being on factory equipment, Movie-Star Cash........Bradley Smith? Done nothing in Moto2-and is set for a Motogp Ride? James Toseland?



Any of the 4 riders on proper Factory equipment this season are to be considered 'heavily favored', for now more than ever it is necessary to have a factory Honda or Yamaha if you want to stand a chance. Some may argue that this favoritism was earned.......?



And to be honest mate, Honda and Yamaha would be seriously looking at Rossi, the guy is the 9-time champion and is the only rider in the current field capable of taking to Lorenzo next season-if he gets the right bike. I love Nicky-but he's had his time on the Factory Honda, and we all know he wouldn't stand a chance against Jorge even if he had the RC again.



On the contrary my eyes are not closed to the manipulation at all, I just choose to see all of it. I actually am not expecting this sport to clean at all, as very few sports are, I would prefer though an easing of the regs to at least allow for fairer competition again-for the 800 era and now beyond would have to go down as the biggest injustice ever implemented on the sport-and this deal was to favor a corporation.......only now are they trying to untangle the web, and unfortunately for them-the only card they have to play is still VR........

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Thanx for the info Hawk, hadnt seen that. Btw, i said it when Dovi moved on (and u can check me on it), that i wish Nicky would do same ballsy move. I wasnt or havent been too much of a Dovi fan, but that FU to Honda for Sat Yamaha was ballsy and respectable. Much props to him.



Talps, ur making the same mistake Kropo made in his last article, that is to not understand the difference between the league doing ur bidding as oppose to a vested player within the series. Again, a point u ( and Kropo, see his lazy and flawed comments on Spies & Edwards tweets) have failed to comprehend. I say Kropo, because like u, its one thing for a rider to get hired by the manufacture that wants u, as opposed to the infinitely different case in the league changing, bending rule, bidding backroom deals, horse trading FOR THE RIDER.



Talps my man, i've read u bring up Nicky's accession to GP as favoritism or for marketing purposes. But u are wrong! This is one debate u wont win. Honda wanted the next young supertalent, as they always do, talent wise that kid in 03 was Hayden. Having the credentials lacking one dirtrack mile win to put the man into the Grand Slam of record books is fantastic on a resume in terms of American prospects. U also underestimate an AMA title, especially during a time Wsbk was nothing more than a Ducati cup (where Honda were forced to build a Ducati of their own). Btw, John Hopkins was promoted on less, never having won a AmaSbk title. Why? Because at the time an AMA title mean some .... (and still does as Spies proved in Wsbk). Honda initially wanted to groom NH under Rossi. That is until Rossi left then all direction changed with Pedrosa being over hyped as the future for Repsol and the Spanish resurgence/ paradigm shift "final solution": Spaniard domination in GP. This happened when the sky fell and Rossi left. (Much like Stoner leaving now, everything has now changed, all bets off, a new direction is born). Nicky wasnt going to win .... under Rossi, or need i remind u why the man left Yamaha? 06 was NH only chance, 07+ at HRC he was doomed under the thump of the Puig who's hand is always up Carmelos ... (or is it the other way round, matters not). all u need to know about race wins is to count how many Rossi has at the end of his 2 years for "factory" Ducati. I dont believe for one second Rossi would have any had he ridden for the brand from 07 to present. The only year NH was almost #1 at HRC was the year he lifted the title, thats the magnitude of being #2, especially under Rossi, then way worse under Pedrosa.

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Thanx for the info Hawk, hadnt seen that. Btw, i said it when Dovi moved on (and u can check me on it), that i wish Nicky would do same ballsy move. I wasnt or havent been too much of a Dovi fan, but that FU to Honda for Sat Yamaha was ballsy and respectable. Much props to him.



Talps, ur making the same mistake Kropo made in his last article, that is to not understand the difference between the league doing ur bidding as oppose to a vested player within the series. Again, a point u ( and Kropo, see his lazy and flawed comments on Spies & Edwards tweets) have failed to comprehend. I say Kropo, because like u, its one thing for a rider to get hired by the manufacture that wants u, as opposed to the infinitely different case in the league changing, bending rule, bidding backroom deals, horse trading FOR THE RIDER.



Talps my man, i've read u bring up Nicky's accession to GP as favoritism or for marketing purposes. But u are wrong! This is one debate u wont win. Honda wanted the next young supertalent, as they always do, talent wise that kid in 03 was Hayden. Having the credentials lacking one dirtrack mile win to put the man into the Grand Slam of record books is fantastic on a resume in terms of American prospects. U also underestimate an AMA title, especially during a time Wsbk was nothing more than a Ducati cup (where Honda were forced to build a Ducati of their own). Btw, John Hopkins was promoted on less, never having won a AmaSbk title. Why? Because at the time an AMA title mean some .... (and still does as Spies proved in Wsbk). Honda initially wanted to groom NH under Rossi. That is until Rossi left then all direction changed with Pedrosa being over hyped as the future for Repsol and the Spanish resurgence/ paradigm shift "final solution": Spaniard domination in GP. This happened when the sky fell and Rossi left. (Much like Stoner leaving now, everything has now changed, all bets off, a new direction is born). Nicky wasnt going to win .... under Rossi, or need i remind u why the man left Yamaha? 06 was NH only chance, 07+ at HRC he was doomed under the thump of the Puig who's hand is always up Carmelos ... (or is it the other way round, matters not). all u need to know about race wins is to count how many Rossi has at the end of his 2 years for "factory" Ducati. I dont believe for one second Rossi would have any had he ridden for the brand from 07 to present. The only year NH was almost #1 at HRC was the year he lifted the title, thats the magnitude of being #2, especially under Rossi, then way worse under Pedrosa.

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I do agree with Nickys time with 'Pedrosa', but he also had ample opportunity in 2004-05, with Biaggi waning and Gibbers not really cutting the mustard. The AMA debate is open to interpretation, however the seriousness of the smaller classes in GP and MotoGP itself cannot be underestimated-he was a young talent yes, but his path to the best factory seat in the world at the time was certainly paved, in part by Honda USA. Nicky's longevity on factory machinery is quite remarkable wouldn't you agree, and proof of a large amount of 'Clout'?



My point is that, all sorts of indiscretions, manipulations etc have occurred in this sport for 'many' of the sports participants-riders-teams-manufacturers. Ezy's latest comments don't really prove anything until we see where Rossi ends up, other than the obvious- that he won't be hanging around for 7th for much longer......and we all knew that anyway. Rossi has the popularity, the skill and the record to dictate his future, no dirty deals need to be done anyway IMO-and Rossi still wants to win after 15-odd seasons at the top, this is admirable.

The shame out of all this is that it surely shows that Ezpeleta is not thinking of the future ................. he is NOT looking for ways to grow the sport but instead is hanging on to the golden goose without any view to seeking another alternative golden goose.



As has been said before and will be said again ..................... Ezpeleta must remove his head from his anal orifice hastily regarding the sport.











And yes, surely some will whinge and whine but in reality the sport must look beyond Rossi to survive as he is not the sport itself.

hawkdriver said:

Exactly, no matter how much anyone likes it or not Rossi has $$$$ and is going to be in control of what he does. He's the one who chose Ducati and is now taking his giant serving of humble pie. He hasn't broken his contract with Duc or done any other shady dealing while there, he's serving his time lmao. It's a good thing he wants to stay in GP, imagine if he bad mouthed the sport and went to WSBK or just gave up. He only wants a chance to win on the big stage again.

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I agree with everything you said. He will have completed his 2 year Ducati deal at years end. Not breaking his contract.

After Lorenzo in 2013 he will be the best rider to sign to go after a title. He brings sponsorship dollars, fans, merchandise money etc.

If I was a factory team & did not have Lorenzo I'd be signing Rossi asap.



Having said all that I agree with Spies & Edwards. What passport you have plays a big part in what pull you have.

Motogp may be called a world championship, but it's predominantly a European championship.

Dorna will not go into bat for just anyone to get them the bike & tyres they want. It's for a chosen few only.

Corr said:

IF Rossi moves on to another team, will JB and his crew follow Rossi again?

How many years has JB got left in him? It's gotta be hard travelling around the world while your family is in Australia.

JB isn't a 'Spring Chicken' any more. (This is not a stab at JB, just a genuine question)

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I reckon JB will retire or stay at ducati rather than move to another team.

Must say it's pretty shocking the lengths Ezy will go to...spineless ....! He couldnt run a piss up in brewery!



I think everyone wants to see Vale up at the front but through his own hard work (and his teams), not through some dodgy dealings.

I always thought this Caremello character was a dodgy fellow. But, my opinion of him is starting to change. Sure, he is corrupt. But at least he is honest or upfront about it!

Gaz said:

The shame out of all this is that it surely shows that Ezpeleta is not thinking of the future ................. he is NOT looking for ways to grow the sport but instead is hanging on to the golden goose without any view to seeking another alternative golden goose.



As has been said before and will be said again ..................... Ezpeleta must remove his head from his anal orifice hastily regarding the sport.











And yes, surely some will whinge and whine but in reality the sport must look beyond Rossi to survive as he is not the sport itself.

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Marquez.

Talpa said:

Dorna has made one crucial mistake, allowing Honda and Bridgestone to .... them up the ...-royally.....!

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I was going to chide you on only blaming honda, but you have acknowledged the complicity of yamaha in the current cartel/cosy duopoly on the other thread.



I even more definitely believe dorna don't escape blame for the control tyre, concerning which we otherwise agree. I believe it was dorna's idea in the first place, and believed bridgestone when they said they wanted a continuing competition, and ducati when they said they would rather switch to michelin than have a control bridgestone. It has been suggested I have been subscribing to conspiracy theories of late (only of late? ) , but I don't think it requires much in the way of a conspiracy theory to surmise that bridgestone's contract for the control tyre (which has never been disclosed to my knowledge) is whatever dorna says it is. I acknowledge that jorge would likely still be beating stoner whatever tyres stoner had, btw.

Frizzle said:

I agree with everything you said. He will have completed his 2 year Ducati deal at years end. Not breaking his contract.

After Lorenzo in 2013 he will be the best rider to sign to go after a title. He brings sponsorship dollars, fans, merchandise money etc.

If I was a factory team & did not have Lorenzo I'd be signing Rossi asap.



Having said all that I agree with Spies & Edwards. What passport you have plays a big part in what pull you have.

Motogp may be called a world championship, but it's predominantly a European championship.

Dorna will not go into bat for just anyone to get them the bike & tyres they want. It's for a chosen few only.

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The passport does suck but repsol puig have brought some non Spanish riders up on Spanish money