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Estoril 2012: RACE

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But that didnt stop u from proposing a conspiracy. Exactly like the other proposed conspiracies, based on partial information, bias, and halve truths. Pov, u should know not to base any proposals on Speed's weak ... coverage. When are u gonna ante up and get a video pass? For a guy who follows the sport as staunchly as any of us (despite ur comical empty boycott) u should shelve ur pseudo-principles and get urself a video pass as an early fathers day present. This way u wont look stupid (theoretically) when u make claims based on bias and .... coverage.
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lol you're such a meanie.. f the video pass.. just find a good torrent site and download the bbc coverage or something.. no commercials!
 
Rossi fortunately has Julian Ryder to his rescue who plain simply excluded Bautista from the race:



Julian Ryder said:
Behind the top three the two Tech 3 Monster Yamahas had their own private battle, won this time by Andrea Dvizioso making the score 2-1 to Cal Crutchlow in that fight.

Then came the first Ducati—Valentino Rossi fulfilling his own prophesy that sixth place is the bike's potential at the moment.



Ryder Notes, on soup that was.



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I don't recall a lapped CRT to specifically slow down casey conspiracy, although it was suggested that he would be stroppy about it which doesn't appear to have been the case.



I think dorna would prefer someone more marketable than stoner to be winning, but I think if anything they are niggling honda, and trying to help ducati and the crts (not unreasonably) rather than trying to stop stoner.



They did actually change the bike weight over a year after setting the regulations, and while the new tyre was developed at the request of the riders bridgestone went with a preference other than that of the hrc riders; nakomoto did question why having developed the tyres they couldn't provide both. If honda are responsible for the bikes being over-engineered which seems a reasonable theory then I guess reining them in is good policy, although again it seems that extra cost is being generated in the name of cost saving.



Well good sir, I agree with the part you say Dorna seemed to be trying to help out the new CRT formula with many of these changes (though I disagree they were aimed at helping Ducati). I recall it a bit differently, perhaps because the implication of the proposed conspiracies were based firmly on the idea that slowing down the entire formula would some how slow down Stoner (which the series would eventually all got toward CRTs). Stoner voicing his displeasure suggesting even quitting over a rules change (though it was defended as mere having the right to retire) also went a long way in giving "POV conspiracy" theorists (new coining, as I'm sure we havent seen the last of these conspiracies) the fuel they needed by echoing their displeasure over CRTs and how it might 'ruin the sport'. I still laugh about it, because this prompted Pov to declare he would boycott the sport. haha.



Regarding the weight change, that is NOT how it went down at all, they proposed a change, and within the agreements between all the parties involved, a non-unanimous vote meant Dorna could make that change. That it was made late in the testing cycle was the rallying cry for the conspiracy theorist to cry foul implying it was done to screw with Stoner's Honda. The point that keeps getting missed by those who would propose such conspiracy against Honda (specifically Stoner) was the fact that Yamaha was also equally effected by this series of events.



Regarding the tire conspiracy, I struggle to understand why bringing up Nakomoto's comments is of value on this point. Of course he's going to object to not getting his two rider's preferred tires. The reality is, they were in the small minority 2/20+.



The truth is that several baseless conspiracies have been proposed regarding Honda Stoner, the reality is that they have occupied 2/3 of the podium positions in all the 2012 races so far. If Dorna is trying to slow down Stoner, Honda, and help Ducati, Rossi...they are failing miserably.
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I thought the race was a bit boring. I was a little dissapointed that Hector Barbera wasn't the fastest Ducati. I really felt that after his great qualifying that he would finally beat both Ducatis. I think he is the best rider for the factory Ducati. Valentino doesn't seem to care and Nicky Hayden never does much.
 
as a Dani Pedrosa fan I have to announce that the award for the most boring ride of the weak goes to Mr.Dani Pedrosa despite congratulating his 100th podium. What the .... was that?!?!?! He was not even pushing his bikes to the limit. It is just so ....... hard to be a fan of this guy!!! Great job by Stoner and Lorenzo, The way these 2 guys ride this year changes the fantastic four thing into a fantastic two, (Vale is struggling with the Duc and Dani's head is deep in his ...)! By the way which riders are the ones having more than 100 podiums except Valentino Rossi and Dani Pedrosa??
 
...lorenzo is like rossi, perhaps without quite his tactical and strategic audacity





Mike, this is the one thing I take away from this weekend! Absolutely spot on. And it’s the one thing that bodes well for Stoner and bad for Lorenzo in terms of the championship. Its this that I was describing when I said it appeared to me Lorenzo's race strategy was to let Stoner come to him, a faulty strategy. That's what it looked like to me from the comfort of my well worn chair at least. Its probably not something a Stoner fan may want to hear, that is, pointing out that Lorenzo's lack of race strategy may play into Stoner's hands since a Stoner fan wants him to win unbothered; but for a spectator like me who's allegiance is not vested in either Lorenzo nor Stoner (I'm awed by both their riding), I want to see a race dual between two titans. I’ve been harsh on Rossi, mainly for his arrogance of words, but seeing this weekend's race, there is no way VR would have got within a tenth and not attempted something, its this that I realized I missed. Lorenzo may not have many opportunities to bother Stoner's pace throughout the season, and missing the opportunity at Jerez and more clearly at Estoril may haunt him as the season goes on. Unless he is willing to challenge Stoner here and there by showing him a wheel, Stoner will be happy to let him come a near second place. I know people will respond to this, as the site has gone decidedly anti-Rossi with the same rigor as it was once anti-Stoner. Perhaps Lorenzo didn't want to risk this or that, and they actually might be right in part, but race strategy isn't only going as fast as you can, but also may include tactics of challenging and pressuring when your pace isn't going to cut it (within reasonable tactics of course).
 
as a Dani Pedrosa fan I have to announce that the award for the most boring ride of the weak goes to Mr.Dani Pedrosa despite congratulating his 100th podium. What the .... was that?!?!?! He was not even pushing his bikes to the limit. It is just so ....... hard to be a fan of this guy!!! Great job by Stoner and Lorenzo, The way these 2 guys ride this year changes the fantastic four thing into a fantastic two, (Vale is struggling with the Duc and Dani's head is deep in his ...)! By the way which riders are the ones having more than 100 podiums except Valentino Rossi and Dani Pedrosa??



How do you think Dani's slight build is effecting his ability to ride the 1000cc bikes ? The advantage out of corners and down straights is obvious, but are the physical demands on the twisty bits too much for him ?

He physique and his suitability for the big bikes has always been a bit of a talking point, but the Honda has now had even more weight added.
 
Where was the snorefest? I'm ....... sick of people saying that motoGP is a snorefest. GO WATCH SOMETHING ELSE!!!!!!! 3 races into the new season and everyone has been close, yet plenty of pinheads like Talpa are calling it a snorefest.



Just because Rossi is mid pack doesn't make it a snorefest!!



S.O.D for prezzy!!



Absolutely right.
 
Precisely. That's why a lot of people would like to see him With Rossi dicing it out with Lorenzo there'd have been a show and not a parade.



Son of Doohan (welcome back btw), BarryMachine, Mental, Pov, Levi etal, Get him!
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(or does this only apply to Talpa describing the racing as processional?)
 
as a Dani Pedrosa fan I have to announce that the award for the most boring ride of the weak goes to Mr.Dani Pedrosa despite congratulating his 100th podium. What the .... was that?!?!?! He was not even pushing his bikes to the limit. It is just so ....... hard to be a fan of this guy!!! Great job by Stoner and Lorenzo, The way these 2 guys ride this year changes the fantastic four thing into a fantastic two, (Vale is struggling with the Duc and Dani's head is deep in his ...)! By the way which riders are the ones having more than 100 podiums except Valentino Rossi and Dani Pedrosa??

Valentino Rossi (175 podiums), Giacomo Agostini (159), Ángel Nieto (139), Phil Read (121), Mike Hailwood (112) and Max Biaggi (111). , he is the second youngest, after Rossi to reach this milestone.
 
What does that have to do with CRT or even the chance of him not getting on another factory ride. You never know and he obviously has no problems getting sponsors. Honda had to cut their budget and Yam still have no sponsor, the world is run by the bean counters and not Jarvis and nakamoto

The people who are whining about being bored, are the same people who are pushing for CRT. Almost all of the people who are bored and pushing CRT, are Rossi fans, except for one drunk who just likes to argue the other side of the fence
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Mike, this is the one thing I take away from this weekend! Absolutely spot on. And it’s the one thing that bodes well for Stoner and bad for Lorenzo in terms of the championship. Its this that I was describing when I said it appeared to me Lorenzo's race strategy was to let Stoner come to him, a faulty strategy. That's what it looked like to me from the comfort of my well worn chair at least. Its probably not something a Stoner fan may want to hear, that is, pointing out that Lorenzo's lack of race strategy may play into Stoner's hands since a Stoner fan wants him to win unbothered; but for a spectator like me who's allegiance is not vested in either Lorenzo nor Stoner (I'm awed by both their riding), I want to see a race dual between two titans. I’ve been harsh on Rossi, mainly for his arrogance of words, but seeing this weekend's race, there is no way VR would have got within a tenth and not attempted something, its this that I realized I missed. Lorenzo may not have many opportunities to bother Stoner's pace throughout the season, and missing the opportunity at Jerez and more clearly at Estoril may haunt him as the season goes on. Unless he is willing to challenge Stoner here and there by showing him a wheel, Stoner will be happy to let him come a near second place. I know people will respond to this, as the site has gone decidedly anti-Rossi with the same rigor as it was once anti-Stoner. Perhaps Lorenzo didn't want to risk this or that, and they actually might be right in part, but race strategy isn't only going as fast as you can, but also may include tactics of challenging and pressuring when your pace isn't going to cut it (within reasonable tactics of course).





Good call, Jorge appeared to be sitting waiting on the Timex Honda rider falling to bits. It's not happening, Rossi could force Stoner into mistakes because he always took the race to him. (and anyone else) I still believe that if someone was pushing Stoner hard, showing him the front wheel, he would start to make mistakes. But when Jorge is sitting behind him, and Pedrosa has done his overtake for the year, it's not the same as Rossi or indeed Super Sic if he was still with us, who will put the bike anywhere there is daylight for the pass.



Rossi realised in 2008 that to beat Stoner you have to get inside his head, take the fight to him at every chance, and he is beatable. Lorenzo needs to take that next step and hound Stoner or every inch of track. Pedrosa can't do it, Spies can't do it, and Rossi, Hayden, Dovi and Cal don't have the machinery to do it.



Jorge needs to dig deep for his Laguna 08 moment and strike.



You can do it Jorge
 
AFUCKINGMEN. They would rather hang around and ..... to bring the sport down. If Rossi was winning every race and leading every lap, they would have ...... their dicks off by now. Rossi has alienated himself from the machines it takes to win in GP, so their goal is to eliminate the machines, even if it ruins the sport to do it.



Uhm Mike, do you need any more proof for the CRT conspiracy you don't recall?





Ironic, isn't it? Let me get this straight, so Pov, its ok for you to ..... and boycott the sport over an arbitrary rules change (though you didn't for previous reg changes) but its perfectly ok to ..... an moan over this reg change? Pov logic folks. Btw, Pov, who is this "they" you are talking about who have describe the racing as processional? Why are you and the list I mentioned above (that's my "they") so flustered when people describe the racing in such a way? Uhm, could it be that you are as infatuated over Stoner as the Rossi fans you are alluding too? I find your reaction a bit over the top.





I thought that was an entertaining race yesterday. I guess its up to Casey to save GP. Making the races close is not good enough, it seems he is going to have to ride around in second for 20 laps, make a pass and go on to win by 4-5 seconds before some will consider it good racing. I watched those pig ... pieces off .... CRT bikes pushing and wobbling around the track and wondered how in the hell anyone could want that for GP, and it boggles the mind. That would be like taking the laser scalpel from a renowned neurosurgeon and handing him a butterknife. That would add some intensity to the operating room huh!



Other than being frustrated that Nicky was struggling, I also enjoyed the race and thought it was intense. I'm always on the edge of my seat during a GP, regardless of how processional (the is a statement of FACT that you seem to come unglued with). But while we are talking about CRTs wobbling, perhaps Speed TV didn't show Stoner's bike wobbling around as well (since its their coverage that you base outlandish claims). Maybe Speed TV also didn't cover Stoner's post race comments where he mentions that he had to dial it back because his bike was being effected by chatter and .... (assuming you get all your coverage of the sport from Speed TV). So, lets use your logic here Pov, why would anybody want a bike like the HRC Honda, the best bike on the planet, that chatters and wobbles and .... when pushed, "how in the hell anyone could want that for GP?" Why would anybody want bikes that have to be dialed back and slowed down, yes that is right Pov, slow down so that the bike doesn't rattle Stoner's teeth out.
 
lol you're such a meanie.. f the video pass.. just find a good torrent site and download the bbc coverage or something.. no commercials!

I know, but its funny to mess with Pov. He give me so much to make fun about.
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Don;t worry, he can take it, hes got very thick skin, like his brain.
 
Wow, it seems many are already missing Rossi at the top. Seeing the light at last...?
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The real heat would be Rossi vs Stoner. Best vs Best: nothing less. Pity I'm afraid it will not happen again..
 
I thought the race was a bit boring. I was a little dissapointed that Hector Barbera wasn't the fastest Ducati. I really felt that after his great qualifying that he would finally beat both Ducatis. I think he is the best rider for the factory Ducati. Valentino doesn't seem to care and Nicky Hayden never does much.



Now you've done it. You pretty much insulted the entire GP community in one short post.
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Boring? I'm sure Son of Doohan, Mental, Povol, etal will tell you to go .... yourself (which if you manage it, please post some pics). And saying Valentino doesn't care will surely make Talpa's head explode. But come on girl, saying Nicky doesn't do much? Give him a change. I'd like to introduce you to him. PM me and maybe we can meet up at Laguna (which you'll probably be working) and I'll let Nicky know he needs to make a new fan. I'm sure he'll think of a way to convince you.
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Wow, it seems many are already missing Rossi at the top. Seeing the light at last...?
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The real heat would be Rossi vs Stoner. Best vs Best: nothing less. Pity I'm afraid it will not happen again..



Are you a Rossi fan this week or have you still turned your back on him? Who is this "many" you are talking about btw? I not saying I want him at the top, I am saying I want the top riders to be a bit more willing to dice and bother eachother like Rossi did within reason.
 
I thought the race was a bit boring. I was a little dissapointed that Hector Barbera wasn't the fastest Ducati. I really felt that after his great qualifying that he would finally beat both Ducatis. I think he is the best rider for the factory Ducati. Valentino doesn't seem to care and Nicky Hayden never does much.
Barbera isn't anywhere near as fast as Rossi and Hayden, he gets towed around the track during quali and that's his entire claim to fame. You should look up the histories of the two riders you're comparing him to, both are champions.
 
Where was the snorefest? I'm ....... sick of people saying that motoGP is a snorefest. GO WATCH SOMETHING ELSE!!!!!!! 3 races into the new season and everyone has been close, yet plenty of pinheads like Talpa are calling it a snorefest.



Just because Rossi is mid pack doesn't make it a snorefest!!



Yes, Stoner, and Lorenzo are great riders and it is entertaining to see them just ride. And Rossi can retire or move on for all I care, but I'll still prefer watching more overtaking and counter passing than a time trial. Why don't you go read something else, instead of complaining about people complaining, hypocrite.
 

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