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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jul 9 2009, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Imagine all the ..... that Puig would be feeding Pedrosa during a race...although he doubtless already has a system inbuilt in his circuitry and software for this.
I was thinking the same thing, that teams could use the system to communicate various things to their riders. That's why I felt only race control should be allowed to send the signals. Puig would definitely be sending Dani misinformation. I still wonder what they were telling him on the last lap at Laguna and why he slowed down so much. I was freaking out that Rossi almost put a pass on him in the final corner, that would have been quite the moment if it happened.

John Ulrich gave a really informative interview on pitpass radio recently, and he gave a really good idea for proper pace car usage. LINK

Ulrich says that the pace car should not attempt to enter the track in front of the riders; instead the riders should queue behind the pace car in pitlane and then the pace car should lead them back onto the track.

Ulrich also reveals that the tires are a significant reason for the reduction in performance (DSB is the same spec as SS according to Ulrich). In the old AMA, the best Dunlop tires came from the race factory in Birmingham, England. The new control tire comes from a Dunlop factory in Buffalo, NY.

Also, I had noticed during the Speed broadcast that Scott Russell is a biased advocate for most of the changes that DMG have made. For quite some time, I had suspected that he had a stake in the sport and I thought that it might have something to do with his time at Harley. However, Ulrich reminded me that Mr. Daytona's career was ended during a standing start when he stalled out on the grid. He was hit twice from behind and the resulting injuries ended his career.

Perhaps Russell was an advocate for the change to rolling starts?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 12 2009, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>John Ulrich gave a really informative interview on pitpass radio recently, and he gave a really good idea for proper pace car usage. LINK

Ulrich says that the pace car should not attempt to enter the track in front of the riders; instead the riders should queue behind the pace car in pitlane and then the pace car should lead them back onto the track.

Ulrich also reveals that the tires are a significant reason for the reduction in performance (DSB is the same spec as SS according to Ulrich). In the old AMA, the best Dunlop tires came from the race factory in Birmingham, England. The new control tire comes from a Dunlop factory in Buffalo, NY.

Also, I had noticed during the Speed broadcast that Scott Russell is a biased advocate for most of the changes that DMG have made. For quite some time, I had suspected that he had a stake in the sport and I thought that it might have something to do with his time at Harley. However, Ulrich reminded me that Mr. Daytona's career was ended during a standing start when he stalled out on the grid. He was hit twice from behind and the resulting injuries ended his career.

Perhaps Russell was an advocate for the change to rolling starts?

I agree with Ulrich on the safety car,if they feel they have to have one. As far as anything else about the series,i take anything he says with a grain of salt. He is the unofficial mouthpiece for the series and no one has benefited more than him from not having the factory teams around. If the performance was the same as last years SS bikes minus the tires,why was Ulrichs team not running up front last year. If you ask him, i bet he would say the other guys had better tires even thought they were DOT spec. There is not 3 seconds a lap between a dot spec and a slick,much less 2 dot spec tires from 2 different factories

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 12 2009, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree with Ulrich on the safety car,if they feel they have to have one. As far as anything else about the series,i take anything he says with a grain of salt. He is the unofficial mouthpiece for the series and no one has benefited more than him from not having the factory teams around.

That is a very valid point. The factory riders and team members aren't necessarily objective either, since their grip on the podium is threatened by DMG's rule changes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 12 2009, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree with Ulrich on the safety car,if they feel they have to have one. As far as anything else about the series,i take anything he says with a grain of salt. He is the unofficial mouthpiece for the series and no one has benefited more than him from not having the factory teams around. If the performance was the same as last years SS bikes minus the tires,why was Ulrichs team not running up front last year. If you ask him, i bet he would say the other guys had better tires even thought they were DOT spec. There is not 3 seconds a lap between a dot spec and a slick,much less 2 dot spec tires from 2 different factories

Yeah, he's says that Dunlop provided two different tires. The factory teams got the A tire and everyone else got the B tire. Ulrich decided to leave Dunlop behind b/c he wasn't allowed to purchase the compound provided to the factory teams.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 12 2009, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, he's says that Dunlop provided two different tires. The factory teams got the A tire and everyone else got the B tire. Ulrich decided to leave Dunlop behind b/c he wasn't allowed to purchase the compound provided to the factory teams.
Like i said, a slick is not 3 seconds faster than a DOT race street tire, i would bet that the different rubber from different plants would make up about 2-4 10ths. What Ulrich is saying,rather cryptically, is that HIS bike is pretty much the same as last years, which may very well be true.

Pov, even though you can be a jerk sometimes, you do have some good takes regarding the AMA.

Don't know if you've ever met Ulrich, but he's a shrewd businessman with rather ahole personality.

Anyway, I personally don't think the "safety" car has any business in motorcycle racing. It seems the DMG are bent on using it, even if it almost got a few riders killed.

BSB uses the safety car. In one of the races recently a bike dumped oil on one of the corners. The brought out the car, slowed everyone down and circulated while the clean up was done. Then restarted with a rolling start at the line as the car pulled off.

I think it can work, but the AMA needs to get their procedures down so it actually is "safe".

What ever happened to the Buell "safety bike" that I thought I read was supposed to debut at Laguna? Or was that DSB only?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Jul 13 2009, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>BSB uses the safety car.


What ever happened to the Buell "safety bike" that I thought I read was supposed to debut at Laguna? Or was that DSB only?
Let me qualify it then, a "safety car does not belong in the AMA under DMG administration.

And yeah, what happen to the Buell thing?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 13 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Let me qualify it then, a "safety car does not belong in the AMA under DMG administration.

And yeah, what happen to the Buell thing?
It is supposed to make its debut this weekend at Mid Ohio.

And yes,when provoked,i can be as big a prick as anyone. Generally not my nature though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 13 2009, 07:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Like i said, a slick is not 3 seconds faster than a DOT race street tire, i would bet that the different rubber from different plants would make up about 2-4 10ths. What Ulrich is saying,rather cryptically, is that HIS bike is pretty much the same as last years, which may very well be true.

I think you're reading too much into it. Ulrich was responding to a question about why his team was significantly better this year than years gone by. He responded by saying that the control tire gave him access to equal equipment.

I believe his remark about the state of tune in DSB was mainly about the state of engine tuning (since the Suzuki appears to be much faster than everyone else).

I can't remember where I read it, but Cardenas remarked that the Suzuki did not have the highest power to weight ratio on the grid. In an unrelated article Zemke said Honda were struggling b/c power out of the corners was relatively weak and they couldn't mask the problem with good tires.

If you put 2 and 2 together, the two unrelated comments make it look as though Suzuki may be benefiting because of low end grunt.

BTW, has anyone ever noticed that all Japanese 600s have identical bore and stroke (67mm x 42.5mm)?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 13 2009, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you're reading too much into it. Ulrich was responding to a question about why his team was significantly better this year than years gone by. He responded by saying that the control tire gave him access to equal equipment.

I believe his remark about the state of tune in DSB was mainly about the state of engine tuning (since the Suzuki appears to be much faster than everyone else).

I can't remember where I read it, but Cardenas remarked that the Suzuki did not have the highest power to weight ratio on the grid. In an unrelated article Zemke said Honda were struggling b/c power out of the corners was relatively weak and they couldn't mask the problem with good tires.

If you put 2 and 2 together, the two unrelated comments make it look as though Suzuki may be benefiting because of low end grunt.

BTW, has anyone ever noticed that all Japanese 600s have identical bore and stroke (67mm x 42.5mm)?
It has been established many moons ago that the Buell, BY FAR, had the best hp to weight ratio. If my memory serves me, it was 2.65 lbs per hp, compared to the second best, which the Aprlia team said was not them, was like 2.97 lbs per hP. Just a guess but i would say based on performance, the second best was Ulrichs Suzuki. Zemke did say the Honda was way down on power compared to last year which tells me the bikes are not the same as last years SS

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 13 2009, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It has been established many moons ago that the Buell, BY FAR, had the best hp to weight ratio. If my memory serves me, it was 2.65 lbs per hp, compared to the second best, which the Aprlia team said was not them, was like 2.97 lbs per hP. Just a guess but i would say based on performance, the second best was Ulrichs Suzuki. Zemke did say the Honda was way down on power compared to last year which tells me the bikes are not the same as last years SS

We guessed that the Suzuki had the best power to weight ratio out of the 600s. Cardenas said that isn't the case (I'll see if I can find the interview).

The engine tune could still be the same even if Zemke says the Honda is down on power b/c slower cornering speeds means lower engine rpm. If Zemke is stuck between shifts and the Honda is frequently leaving its powerband, the bike is going to feel like a dog.

I'm not trying to say that the DOT tires are costing DSB seconds each lap, I'm simply echoing Ulrich's claim that engine tune is NOT the reason for Suzuki's new found performance.

Didn't they make major changes to the suspension rules in DSB as well? No full race systems only fork inserts?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 13 2009, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We guessed that the Suzuki had the best power to weight ratio out of the 600s. Cardenas said that isn't the case (I'll see if I can find the interview).

The engine tune could still be the same even if Zemke says the Honda is down on power b/c slower cornering speeds means lower engine rpm. If Zemke is stuck between shifts and the Honda is frequently leaving its powerband, the bike is going to feel like a dog.

I'm not trying to say that the DOT tires are costing DSB seconds each lap, I'm simply echoing Ulrich's claim that engine tune is NOT the reason for Suzuki's new found performance.

Didn't they make major changes to the suspension rules in DSB as well? No full race systems only fork inserts?
Not really,last years SS ran DOT RS spec tires also and they were not allowed any race suspension parts,only front internals.One of the big things that has not been brought up with the lower performance is the pump gas they use this year compared to the race fuel they were using last year.Take a degree of tune away,use shittier fuel and shittier tires and viola,you have shittier performing bikes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 14 2009, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not really,last years SS ran DOT RS spec tires also and they were not allowed any race suspension parts,only front internals.One of the big things that has not been brought up with the lower performance is the pump gas they use this year compared to the race fuel they were using last year.Take a degree of tune away,use shittier fuel and shittier tires and viola,you have shittier performing bikes.

Good point.

I also remembered that they lowered the sound restrictions to 94db. Perhaps the exhaust is substantially more restrictive as well.

Im sure its a combination of all the above. One thing i have noticed in Superbike, is Mladins riding style seems to have changed. The last race at Laguna, their was a marked difference in the lean angles that we are used to seeing out of him. Of course,stock suspensions and suspect tires will do that to a rider.

un"safety" car suspended.

LINK

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 14 2009, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>un"safety" car suspended.

LINK
Say what you want about Superbike Planet,sometimes they are funny and they certainly dont try to hide their disdain for DMG

will pay fine and apologize, be reinstated

They hate DMG as much as Ulrich loves them

The Buell is now a "superbike" (officially)

LINK

But still a Daytona Sportbike too.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 15 2009, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Buell is now a "superbike" (officially)

LINK

But still a Daytona Sportbike too.
And once again throws their own rulebook out the window when it come to helping Buell

This out of the rule book

AMA Pro American Superbike motorcycles must be street certified for use in the United States and be available at the time of competition from U.S. retail dealers. There must be sufficient quantity available such that any person wanting to buy one for racing purposes can do so in a timely fashion. … Importation must be completed by June 1st of the current season.”

Even though i was done, i am double done now.The integrity of the sport is gone.,Hell, this year alone they made Suzuki run 2008 models because there was a delay in 09 shipments and until a certain number of them arrived in the States, it was a no go. Now we hear Buell is allowed to make a race only bike available only to racers and will make its debut this weekend at Mid Ohio. This should hopefully be the last straw for the jap OEM's. Rumor has it that Suzuki is done,no funding what so ever for 2010, with Honda and Kawasaki leaning that way also. Yamaha [The Judas of bike racing in America} is said to be onboard, why i dont know. This is just another step in the direction of the BOT Nascar Style. I dont care if the ....... thing runs 15th-20th and blows up on the second lap,thats not the point. Our worst fears since the day Nascar took over are coming true. The Jap OEMS will leave,everyone will be riding Buells and DMG can say that everybody quit and it was their choice to leave. A new series is a must!