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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 7 2009, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What harm has been done to American riders?

I suppose until one gets killed you'll then change your tune? (I doubt it, one thing is being ignorant, quite another being stupid).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>The bikes are slightly slower and the safety has not been drastically improved b/c AMA stewards can't seem to figure out proper safety car procedure.

There is no proper safety car procedure you ...... That is the whole point! People have been saying this from day one. They didn't need to see somebody harmed for them to use their brain (something you lack) to figure out the ....... car does not belong on the track.

Check out this video:
LINK


When Kevin Schwantz and Kevin Cameron walk out of your press conference in disgust, you know you've ...... up. It takes allot to anger an easy going guy like Schwantz. People could have been killed.

LINK

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>And They Walked Away: DMG Tries To Explain Safety-Cargate To A Rapidly Imploding Audience
by dean adams
Tuesday, July 07, 2009
DMG's Colin Fraser held a press conference on Sunday night at Laguna Seca. He tried to explain the chain of events that led to the Superbike pack accelerating down the front straight at Laguna Seca with a Safety Car parked on the other side of the hill at the end of that straight. Multiple riders said that disaster was narrowly averted when they quickly avoided colliding with the "safety car". Countless people found fault with DMG for not red-flagging (stopping) the race.

Colin Fraser answered all questions put to him (until a DMG exec stopped the press conference) and tried to explain the incident from DMG's perspective. Fraser said that they remain committed to the safety car concept and hope for better results once crew to rider radios are adopted.

Just as notable as Colin Fraser's explanation is the reaction from several notables in the crowd.

1993 500cc world champion Kevin Schwantz was in the room and asked Colin Fraser several pointed questions about the procedures that led to the near collision. DMG then stopped the press conference by limiting the number of questions to "four more" although there were clearly many more to be asked.

Schwantz listened to Colin Fraser's answers with obvious frustration, and in the end, while Colin Fraser was still answering one of his questions, Schwantz abruptly turned and walked away.

Cycle World Magazine Technical Editor Kevin Cameron is, if not the most respected person in the motorcycle industry, then assuredly the most respected person in motorcycle press. He sat in the audience while Colin Fraser spoke. About five minutes into the press conference, an obviously exasperated Cameron, who as a tuner had a rider (Bill Payne) hit a bulldozer crossing the track midpractice at Bridgehampton, simply got up and walked out.

Jumkie, i dont know about about everyone else,but im getting sick and ....... tired of your long winded rants telling people how stupid they are if they disagree with your stance on ANY subject. I personally dont agree with Lex's stance on the AMA, but it is obvious to anyone that he is not stupid or brainless as you suggest. On the other hand, it is obvious you are not stupid or brainless either. What you are is a typical internet bully, a small man with some education in front of a keyboard with absolutley zero reprecussions to face, by calling another man stupid and brainless. Its like a chihuahua on one side of a fence snarling at a rottweiller, knowing there is no consequences. Calling someone a liberal left wing moonbat or a conservative right wing nut job, is all in good fun. Calling some one stupid, ignorant,brainless etc:, gets personal and is crossing the line. Its like when you were bragging about calling some kid at the race an ugly ............,exactly how old was this kid, 8-10-12. His dad should have knocked your ... out.Maybe in California people turn the other cheek and that is what emboldens you to be the bully you are,try that .... in the midwest or southeast and the only cheek that will get turned is yours and then you will have your chance to back up that alligator mouth attached to a hummingbirds ....

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Schwantz and Kevin Cameron walk out on a safety related press conference and Lex tries to tell us there's nothing wrong with the safety of the series. What happened to you, man? You were always out there, but it usually made a fair bit of sense.

What's happened to the AMA is a dumbing down, lowest common denominator rubbish. Yeah there's lots of cost-cutting measures in effect and that's all well and good, but that isn't the point of a Superbike series. I've been saying this for months now, there is a reason for classes like Supersport and Superstock, it's so Joe Rocket can take out his brand new GSXR 600 or 1000 and go race. That's what the class is for. So everyone wants to race against Mladin, shocker, raise your hand if you wouldn't love a shot at Valentino Rossi. Yeah, I didn't expect any hands in the air. But I don't expect Ezy (no, not even Ezy would do something this stupid) to make it easy enough for me to go pick up an R1 and line up next to him. You prove your worth in low modification classes like Supersport and Superstock and work your way up.

Superbike isn't for everyone, it's supposed to be for the best of the best. That includes riders, mechanics, engineers and manufacturers. It's not fair, that's the point.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 8 2009, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I suppose until one gets killed you'll then change your tune? (I doubt it, one thing is being ignorant, quite another being stupid).



There is no proper safety car procedure you ...... That is the whole point! People have been saying this from day one. They didn't need to see somebody harmed for them to use their brain (something you lack) to figure out the ....... car does not belong on the track.

Check out this video:
LINK


When Kevin Schwantz and Kevin Cameron walk out of your press conference in disgust, you know you've ...... up. It takes allot to anger an easy going guy like Schwantz. People could have been killed.

LINK

Quit being such a drama queen. The AMA has been a rolling death trap for a long time now. The old red flag rules encouraged riders to feign injury while lying in the middle of the track! The AMA also raced WSBK spec equipment w/ Dunlop prototype tires at walled oval superspeedways and tracks with hugely inadequate runoff areas.

The AMA was a never-ending near death experience and the riders' hypersensitivity to ANY safety procedure change is evidence of the sport's historical danger. Do you remember Mat's bewildered sense of relief when he realized how easy the new SBK's were to ride? For months he was a relaxed, thoroughly-likable racer. Now that the old near death experience has reared its ugly head, Mat is a flaming jerk-off again (rightfully so in this instance).

This incident is despicable because the safety personnel put the riders in unexpected danger. Kevin walked out b/c he wanted to know who was responsible, but Colin refused to release the name to the lynch mob.

The obvious consequence of this safety disaster is a renewed struggle between DMG and the AMA guru over proper management of the sport. Colin Frasier could easily have said that the AMA have decided to abandon the pace car (a decision made some time ago), but he didn't. Colin didn't want to give the appearance that DMG are being pressured by the people who want to run the sport but who refuse to pay for the right to run the sport.

It is a wonderful conflict that will never be resolved b/c both sides hate one another. Something needs to be done, but acting butt-hurt isn't part of the solution. The fans and the old guru are not involved in the on-track proceedings. DMG need to shut them out and shut them up while attempting to reconcile with the riders.

Many people are enraged b/c DMG is stonewalling them and their attempts to make any suggestions about the safety of the sport. I'm hoping cooler heads will prevail when everyone realizes that the AMA probably just tripled the premium on its liability policy b/c of what happened at Laguna. The safety vehicle may be removed by the insurance underwriters without the need for haughty indignation from angered fans/participants.

Though you don't agree, I have learned something. I have been quite critical of the AMA for switching to the pace bike. The pace bike had all the trappings of a politically motivated rule change that was not made in the best interest of the sport and I had prejudged the decision as commercial window dressing. The latest episode with the safety car has convinced me that changing the pace vehicle is in the best interest of the riders.

Povol, thank you for coming to my defense, but third man in isn't necessary. I defend DMG b/c I think that blaming them oversimplifies the complex problems that plague the AMA. I expect to get flamed, much the same way gsfan expects to get flamed when he defends the MSMA for changing GP to the 800cc formula.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 8 2009, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Schwantz and Kevin Cameron walk out on a safety related press conference and Lex tries to tell us there's nothing wrong with the safety of the series. What happened to you, man? You were always out there, but it usually made a fair bit of sense.

What's happened to the AMA is a dumbing down, lowest common denominator rubbish. Yeah there's lots of cost-cutting measures in effect and that's all well and good, but that isn't the point of a Superbike series. I've been saying this for months now, there is a reason for classes like Supersport and Superstock, it's so Joe Rocket can take out his brand new GSXR 600 or 1000 and go race. That's what the class is for. So everyone wants to race against Mladin, shocker, raise your hand if you wouldn't love a shot at Valentino Rossi. Yeah, I didn't expect any hands in the air. But I don't expect Ezy (no, not even Ezy would do something this stupid) to make it easy enough for me to go pick up an R1 and line up next to him. You prove your worth in low modification classes like Supersport and Superstock and work your way up.

Superbike isn't for everyone, it's supposed to be for the best of the best. That includes riders, mechanics, engineers and manufacturers. It's not fair, that's the point.

There IS a problem with safety, I'm just saying that DMG haven't made it worse. They have simply traded certain types of danger within the old arrangement with new danger that has resulted from new safety procedures.

The AMA have licensing requirements prohibit unfit riders from lining up next to Mladin on race day. I do understand that the new rules allow anyone with an expert license to fancy themselves as superbike material, but I don't believe the authenticity of racing is damaged when the governing body allows people to boost themselves into superbike.

It seems as though many people want the AMA to be an elite racing series. It's a nice goal to have, but I can assure you that an elite series will not result when only 3 superbikes have the ability to win. Elite series are formed through fierce competition. When everyone has access to the same equipment, the competitive environment becomes more intense. When the bikes have decent parity, the riders become paramount.

They riders/privateers are now given the ability to own just as much of the sport as the manufacturers. It is only a matter of time before people start to take notice. The AMA has been setup for long term stability, but Edmondson needs to keep the wheels on it for another few seasons so people have a chance to learn how to work the system.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 8 2009, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Quit being such a drama queen. The AMA has been a rolling death trap for a long time now. The old red flag rules encouraged riders to feign injury while lying in the middle of the track! The AMA also raced WSBK spec equipment w/ Dunlop prototype tires at walled oval superspeedways and tracks with hugely inadequate runoff areas.

The AMA was a never-ending near death experience and the riders' hypersensitivity to ANY safety procedure change is evidence of the sport's historical danger. Do you remember Mat's bewildered sense of relief when he realized how easy the new SBK's were to ride? For months he was a relaxed, thoroughly-likable racer. Now that the old near death experience has reared its ugly head, Mat is a flaming jerk-off again (rightfully so in this instance).

This incident is despicable because the safety personnel put the riders in unexpected danger. Kevin walked out b/c he wanted to know who was responsible, but Colin refused to release the name to the lynch mob.

The obvious consequence of this safety disaster is a renewed struggle between DMG and the AMA guru over proper management of the sport. Colin Frasier could easily have said that the AMA have decided to abandon the pace car (a decision made some time ago), but he didn't. Colin didn't want to give the appearance that DMG are being pressured by the people who want to run the sport but who refuse to pay for the right to run the sport.

It is a wonderful conflict that will never be resolved b/c both sides hate one another. Something needs to be done, but acting butt-hurt isn't part of the solution. The fans and the old guru are not involved in the on-track proceedings. DMG need to shut them out and shut them up while attempting to reconcile with the riders.

Many people are enraged b/c DMG is stonewalling them and their attempts to make any suggestions about the safety of the sport. I'm hoping cooler heads will prevail when everyone realizes that the AMA probably just tripled the premium on its liability policy b/c of what happened at Laguna. The safety vehicle may be removed by the insurance underwriters without the need for haughty indignation from angered fans/participants.

Though you don't agree, I have learned something. I have been quite critical of the AMA for switching to the pace bike. The pace bike had all the trappings of a politically motivated rule change that was not made in the best interest of the sport and I had prejudged the decision as commercial window dressing. The latest episode with the safety car has convinced me that changing the pace vehicle is in the best interest of the riders.

Povol, thank you for coming to my defense, but third man in isn't necessary. I defend DMG b/c I think that blaming them oversimplifies the complex problems that plague the AMA. I expect to get flamed, much the same way gsfan expects to get flamed when he defends the MSMA for changing GP to the 800cc formula.
I know your a big boy and can more than handle your self in a match of wits. It wasnt just how he spoke to you, but anyone,including me, that has a difference of opinion with. I just got to the point where i have had enough of the name calling and his attitude that anyone that doesnt agree with him is stupid,ignorant,brainless etc: The point i was trying to get across is this. The internet is full of little people who are ten feet tall and bulletproof when behind the safety of their computer screen. My guess is they wouldnt have the balls to say something to a strangers face that they feel so comfortable saying on the internet. Its like the guys on your favorite bike boards you banter with and everyone with a sport bike is Valentino Rossi, talking about how they railed this road and how they did this and that on their bike, only to find out at the rally that 8 out of ten of them are full of .... and cant ride a lick. The internet does funny things to people.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Colin Fraser answered all questions put to him (until a DMG exec stopped the press conference) and tried to explain the incident from DMG's perspective. Fraser said that they remain committed to the safety car concept and hope for better results once crew to rider radios are adopted.

That should add an interesting spin. I never understood why they don't have this. Pit boards are a thing of the past IMO. JT, if he was telling the truth, wouldn't have had to go through that fiasco. Riders can be coached or warned of any on track incident at anytime. Someone please enlighten me on the negatives.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 9 2009, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That should add an interesting spin. I never understood why they don't have this. Pit boards are a thing of the past IMO. JT, if he was telling the truth, wouldn't have had to go through that fiasco. Riders can be coached or warned of any on track incident at anytime. Someone please enlighten me on the negatives.
I've always felt they need some sort of light indicator on the dash of the bike that race control can remotely send to a rider or riders indicating either a yellow, red, black, ride thru, etc. Radio communication to and from rider I feel is too distracting to the rider and therefore dangerous. It would set up a whole new situation of control over the race by the rider that would seem artificial.

No radios and no dashlights.

If the GP guys can go to 18 different circuits with only flags and pitboards and have no problems, then the AMA guys can do the same.

The system (flags, boards) is fine and works everywhere except AMA. This is because it is not the system that's the problem, it is the users of the system that is the problem, from the top on down.

Really, a radio? in the riders' ears? at race speed? you've got to be kidding. same with dash lights. any other ideas on how to completely distract a rider and cause carnage?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Jul 9 2009, 09:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Really, a radio? in the riders' ears? at race speed? you've got to be kidding. same with dash lights. any other ideas on how to completely distract a rider and cause carnage?

Haha it's not like they are having a conversation on the phone with their mother or something. You have a pit boss that communicates info to you, just like a pit board . Obviously teams would understand that it is a distraction so I think they would use their discretion. Possibly relaying the info while they are on the straights. I know plenty of people that ride fine with a chatter box and the AMA boys are pros.

The rider would really benefit on a flag to flag race.

Didn't Duhamel experiment with a radio at Daytona recently? I want to say 2007?

I always felt that radio in the ear was a bad idea. But a simple
3" 4" LED that could light up in flag colors would be no big deal
when you consider all the other little gadgets that are there to
be adjusted during a race. Ever look at the front wall panel on
a fighter jet? And those guys have lots of visual and audio
stimulation coming at them and they're going a lot faster
than Rossi. Electronic flagging would have the additional advantage
of instantaneous notice to all riders simultaneously regardless of
where they were on the track. A good way to prevent the possibility
of slowing down for a caution flag and getting rear-ended by two
distracted riders duking it out while coming out of a decreasing radius
turn. It's been known to happen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 8 2009, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie, i dont know about about everyone else,but im getting sick and ....... tired of your long winded rants telling people how stupid they are if they disagree with your stance on ANY subject.

I'll respond to you using Lex's words:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 8 2009, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Quit being such a drama queen.


How cute, you coming out and defending a fellow ideologue. Hahaha. Calm down Povol. You're just butt hurt and frustrated that you can't manage to debate me successfully. I suspect you're frustrated from the MJ thread, haha, didn't you notice a few friends disagreed with me yet still had a civil debate? I know Lex isn't dumb, but I do think saying there isn't anything wrong with the safety car is rather stupid. Let me and him debate it without you playing schoolground tady tale.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>What you are is a typical internet bully, a small man with some education in front of a keyboard with absolutley zero reprecussions to face, by calling another man stupid and brainless.

Haha, rich. Your political bully rants, opinions, and replies haven't been exactly benign. As a matter of fact, your ........ posts on the MJ thread was rather mean spirited. Pot Kettle, etc. If you learned to debate you might not feel so frustrated when you fail so miserably to support your opinions. Perhaps it might be reason to change your positions, since they are mostly indefensible.

BTW, speaking of hiding behind the Internet persona, as I recall, you were at Indy last year right? You knew I was there, but didn't have the courage to come out and show yourself. This forum is only a vehicle for us to exchange our opinions, but as you know, I'm not shy about meeting anybody face to face. So I have nothing to hide, perhaps you do.


You say this:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Its like a chihuahua on one side of a fence snarling at a rottweiller, knowing there is no consequences.

and then this

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Calling someone a liberal left wing moonbat or a conservative right wing nut job, is all in good fun. Calling some one stupid, ignorant,brainless etc:, gets personal and is crossing the line.

So it’s only good and fun with political repartee but not for rants of the sport? Uhm. how exactly does this make sense? I'd think calling somebody a nutjob and moonbat (both gay terms I've never used) would be crossing the line too. It seems to me you are trying to justify your harsh political rants and replies and saying they don't amount to crossing the line, but trying to chastise me here to serve your pathetic purpose. Haha, very weak tactic and a glaring double standard. Here's what I think Povol, you started throwing rocks, then when you got a push back, you couldn't handle it. WEAK. This is why I have it in my signature. You're just another guy who couldn't handle the heat of debate and starts quelling foul. When you make bold statements, expect some push back. Lex recognized it when he said he expected his statement would get flamed. BTW, this isn't the first argument Lexi and I have had, we are big boys, we can handle ourselves.

Oh, and again, about the lack of consequence, I don't hide like you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Its like when you were bragging about calling some kid at the race an ugly ............,exactly how old was this kid, 8-10-12. His dad should have knocked your ... out.

Oh, where you there? As usual, when you don't know ...., you assume you do.

I said it was some "guy's kid" (as in 'its his son', which could have been a grown man), I did NOT say the "kid" was a child. (Yeah, that's your foot in your mouth, learn to read).

FYI, I call grown men in their 20s+ "kids". Perhaps I'm dating myself. Anyway, learn the meaning of words, I wasn't "bragging" you "moonbat" (I suppose calling you that is ok right, according to you), but I was rather expressing an "oops" moment. As in 'I ...... up'. There is a connotation of 'mistake' (decidedly NOT "bragging", feel free to mix in a dictionary every now and then Pov). The "kid" was not a little kid, as in a child, but was about 17, hell maybe 18, and fully-grown, actually bigger than me (funny but I was looking at my pictures and realized I had taken one of him, would you like to decide for yourself if he's a child?). He was trying to cut in line (did you miss that part) and one of the ushers called him out rather sternly. People started laughing at the guy ("the kid") causing embarrassment. I didn't see what had happened so I asked the usher (a man about my age) why are people laughing at that guy and who was he talking to like that. He said, "That guy was trying to cut in line." I looked over and only saw his back and face bowed in a bit of embarrassment and shame, busted. Then the usher looked back at me a bit concerned and said, "he wasn't your boy right?" Haha, no way I said. Then my buddy said, (who had noticed he was wearing a Kawasaki shirt and happens to hate Kawasakis) "We don't associate with Kawi people". Obviously a joke. So we start laughing. And then I added (too keep the laughs going), "Yeah, I wouldn't be claiming him even if he was my boy, cuz he's an ugly mothatfucker." At which time this man standing next to me felt it was his duty to speak up and defend the guy/kid by giving me some ...., and I realized he was the guy/kid's dad. At that moment I should have said, "if you wanna give anybody ...., it should be your kid for trying to cut in line." But I didn't. I sorta felt bad because we were making fun of this guy's kid (as in his son) even though he was a big full grown kid. So I didn't egg him. The moment was already funny enough and I'm pretty sure the dude's father was pretty embarrassed since his kid got caught, perhaps why he tried to vent on me. There was a small verbal exchange with my buddy telling him to "relax, it was a joke" and me telling him to "let it go". It was a funny moment, and we all walked away laugh.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Maybe in California people turn the other cheek and that is what emboldens you to be the bully you are,try that .... in the midwest or southeast and the only cheek that will get turned is yours and then you will have your chance to back up that alligator mouth attached to a hummingbirds ....

Ah, big bold words! Are you feeling pumped up? Are you feeling emboldened? Perhaps as you say there are no consequences for sounding so bold online (can you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e?) hahaha, you hang yourself with your own words. Actually I've been to the Midwest, Southeast, and everywhere in the US for that matter. You meet nice people, you meet mean people, you meet stupid people everywhere (though not sure why so many Reps congregate in the South, must be something in the water). Cali does have a reputation for being laid back, but that’s more in the trendy parts. I grew up in a rather scruffy neighborhood. But I'm not out to make enemies, though I’ve had to hold my own at times when people get out of hand. But I’m more like MJ, ‘I’m a lover not a fighter.’ (haha) Anyway, it’s been nice chatting with you. I'll be at Indy, feel free to look me up (unless you’d like to continue hiding behind the Net). I'm easy to spot, I'm the guy with the "alligator mouth attached to a hummingbirds ...".

((Do you feel better now Povol? Did you get our little PMS venting out of the way? Did you achieve making me look bad? Are you done crying and screaming FOUL?)

"If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks."






BACK ON TOPIC:

Nothing safe about a "safety" care!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Jul 9 2009, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Really, a radio? in the riders' ears? at race speed? you've got to be kidding. same with dash lights. any other ideas on how to completely distract a rider and cause carnage?
Well ship to shore is used in F1 to communicate with the garage, and Team Roberts experimented with the idea by sticking one on Aoki a few years ago..although I'm not sure whether he ran a race. It may well have just been used in practice. Imagine all the ..... that Puig would be feeding Pedrosa during a race...although he doubtless already has a system inbuilt in his circuitry and software for this.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 9 2009, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'll respond to you using Lex's words:




How cute, you coming out and defending a fellow ideologue. Hahaha. Calm down Povol. You're just butt hurt and frustrated that you can't manage to debate me successfully. I suspect you're frustrated from the MJ thread, haha, didn't you notice a few friends disagreed with me yet still had a civil debate? I know Lex isn't dumb, but I do think saying there isn't anything wrong with the safety car is rather stupid. Let me and him debate it without you playing schoolground tady tale.



Haha, rich. Your political bully rants, opinions, and replies haven't been exactly benign. As a matter of fact, your ........ posts on the MJ thread was rather mean spirited. Pot Kettle, etc. If you learned to debate you might not feel so frustrated when you fail so miserably to support your opinions. Perhaps it might be reason to change your positions, since they are mostly indefensible.

BTW, speaking of hiding behind the Internet persona, as I recall, you were at Indy last year right? You knew I was there, but didn't have the courage to come out and show yourself. This forum is only a vehicle for us to exchange our opinions, but as you know, I'm not shy about meeting anybody face to face. So I have nothing to hide, perhaps you do.


You say this:


and then this



So it’s only good and fun with political repartee but not for rants of the sport? Uhm. how exactly does this make sense? I'd think calling somebody a nutjob and moonbat (both gay terms I've never used) would be crossing the line too. It seems to me you are trying to justify your harsh political rants and replies and saying they don't amount to crossing the line, but trying to chastise me here to serve your pathetic purpose. Haha, very weak tactic and a glaring double standard. Here's what I think Povol, you started throwing rocks, then when you got a push back, you couldn't handle it. WEAK. This is why I have it in my signature. You're just another guy who couldn't handle the heat of debate and starts quelling foul. When you make bold statements, expect some push back. Lex recognized it when he said he expected his statement would get flamed. BTW, this isn't the first argument Lexi and I have had, we are big boys, we can handle ourselves.

Oh, and again, about the lack of consequence, I don't hide like you.



Oh, where you there? As usual, when you don't know ...., you assume you do.

I said it was some "guy's kid" (as in 'its his son', which could have been a grown man), I did NOT say the "kid" was a child. (Yeah, that's your foot in your mouth, learn to read).

FYI, I call grown men in their 20s+ "kids". Perhaps I'm dating myself. Anyway, learn the meaning of words, I wasn't "bragging" you "moonbat" (I suppose calling you that is ok right, according to you), but I was rather expressing an "oops" moment. As in 'I ...... up'. There is a connotation of 'mistake' (decidedly NOT "bragging", feel free to mix in a dictionary every now and then Pov). The "kid" was not a little kid, as in a child, but was about 17, hell maybe 18, and fully-grown, actually bigger than me (funny but I was looking at my pictures and realized I had taken one of him, would you like to decide for yourself if he's a child?). He was trying to cut in line (did you miss that part) and one of the ushers called him out rather sternly. People started laughing at the guy ("the kid") causing embarrassment. I didn't see what had happened so I asked the usher (a man about my age) why are people laughing at that guy and who was he talking to like that. He said, "That guy was trying to cut in line." I looked over and only saw his back and face bowed in a bit of embarrassment and shame, busted. Then the usher looked back at me a bit concerned and said, "he wasn't your boy right?" Haha, no way I said. Then my buddy said, (who had noticed he was wearing a Kawasaki shirt and happens to hate Kawasakis) "We don't associate with Kawi people". Obviously a joke. So we start laughing. And then I added (too keep the laughs going), "Yeah, I wouldn't be claiming him even if he was my boy, cuz he's an ugly mothatfucker." At which time this man standing next to me felt it was his duty to speak up and defend the guy/kid by giving me some ...., and I realized he was the guy/kid's dad. At that moment I should have said, "if you wanna give anybody ...., it should be your kid for trying to cut in line." But I didn't. I sorta felt bad because we were making fun of this guy's kid (as in his son) even though he was a big full grown kid. So I didn't egg him. The moment was already funny enough and I'm pretty sure the dude's father was pretty embarrassed since his kid got caught, perhaps why he tried to vent on me. There was a small verbal exchange with my buddy telling him to "relax, it was a joke" and me telling him to "let it go". It was a funny moment, and we all walked away laugh.





Ah, big bold words! Are you feeling pumped up? Are you feeling emboldened? Perhaps as you say there are no consequences for sounding so bold online (can you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e?) hahaha, you hang yourself with your own words. Actually I've been to the Midwest, Southeast, and everywhere in the US for that matter. You meet nice people, you meet mean people, you meet stupid people everywhere (though not sure why so many Reps congregate in the South, must be something in the water). Cali does have a reputation for being laid back, but that’s more in the trendy parts. I grew up in a rather scruffy neighborhood. But I'm not out to make enemies, though I’ve had to hold my own at times when people get out of hand. But I’m more like MJ, ‘I’m a lover not a fighter.’ (haha) Anyway, it’s been nice chatting with you. I'll be at Indy, feel free to look me up (unless you’d like to continue hiding behind the Net). I'm easy to spot, I'm the guy with the "alligator mouth attached to a hummingbirds ...".

((Do you feel better now Povol? Did you get our little PMS venting out of the way? Did you achieve making me look bad? Are you done crying and screaming FOUL?)

"If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks."






BACK ON TOPIC:

Nothing safe about a "safety" care!

I will make this short and sweet. When in a debate,the first to resort to name calling is automatically the loser. It is the first thing you learn in debating 101. Its the ultimate sign of the defeated. The incessant rambling is nothing but cover up .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 9 2009, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I will make this short and sweet. When in a debate,the first to resort to name calling is automatically the loser. It is the first thing you learn in debating 101. Its the ultimate sign of the defeated. The incessant rambling is nothing but cover up .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 8 2009, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie,... the only cheek that will get turned is yours and then you will have your chance to back up that alligator mouth attached to a hummingbirds ....

THEN I GUESS YOU LOSE!

(insert 'owned' emoticon here)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 9 2009, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>THEN I GUESS YOU LOSE!

(insert 'owned' emoticon here)
I suppose until one gets killed you'll then change your tune? (I doubt it, one thing is being ignorant, quite another being stupid).


There is no proper safety car procedure you ......

They didn't need to see somebody harmed for them to use their brain (something you lack)

After you loser!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 9 2009, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>After you loser!

'I know you are but what am I?'

'Bounces of of me and sticks to you.'

and my favorite

'Sticks and stones...etc. etc.'


Fing schoolyard nerds all become reps. Unbelievable.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 10 2009, 02:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>'I know you are but what am I?'

'Bounces of of me and sticks to you.'

and my favorite

'Sticks and stones...etc. etc.'


Fing schoolyard nerds all become reps. Unbelievable.
Having dates and times on each post sucks doesnt it.You cant just make .... up as you go.