Colin's Beemer
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Although he`s injured,we should really use Colin as the benchmark I think.He is one of the `firmly established `riders.BUT we could be surprised by another I`m hoping.
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Looks like it came from the local Bmw dealership. ....... 'production' racing. The only thing prototype about that are the wheels they lifted from the Repsol scrap yard. (Right Pov?)
Well Prof,best we`re gonna get for a while.I`m just thankful we still have racing.Just my opinion though!
I'm worried when Moto2 times are faster than Colin on a CRT bike.
Unofficial times - Day one
MotoGP
Colin Edwards (NGM Forward Racing) 1.43.9 (39 laps)
Iván Silva (Inmotec) 1.45.5 (40 laps)
Yonni Hernández (BQR-FTR Kawasaki) 1.45.7 (28 laps)
Moto2
Scott Redding(Marc VDS Racing Team) 1.42.9 (52 laps)
Pol Espargaró (Pons Racing) 1.43.3 (45 laps)
Esteve Rabat (Pons Racing) 1.43.3 (57 laps)
Mika Kallio (Marc VDS Racing Team) 1.43.9 (50 laps)
Gino Rea (Gresini Team) 1.43.9 (57 laps)
Bradley Smith Tech 3) 1.44.0 (60 laps)
Toni Elías (Aspar Team) 1.44.2 (104 laps)
Axel Pons (Pons Racing) 1.44.7 (50 laps)
Alex De Angelis (Forward Racing) 1.44.9
Yuki Takahashi (Forward Racing) 1.44.9 (42 laps)
Xavier Simeon (Tech 3) 1.45.2 (67 laps)
Nico Terol (Aspar Team) 1.45.6 (63 laps)
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Not bad considering it's first time out and on a chassis that wasn't built around the tires yet.
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Worst MGP FP times @ Jerez race (2011) were 1.42.5Xs... Second and a half off that first time on with recovering shoulder ain't so bad.
Lets be honest, they should be within a second of the slowest bike in the field(not including Elias) which they're not. And as someone said above, Top Moto2 guys were creaming there ... today which is worrying as they're meant to have almost twice the power of them? So apart from the obvious problems of dialling in and putting heat into tyres where the .... is the pace going to come from. As much as I want CRT to work, for now I'm a sceptic.
You shouldn't be. For Colin in his state to be roughly a second slower than Haslam this early in the journey isn't bad at all
Throw out a prediction on where the fastest CRT bike will end up at the end of next season compared to a prototype. I'm curious. What was it in the last testing, 4 sec off the pace?
He was also faster than Melandri on the BMW WSBK and both WSBKs testing today were beaten by a moto2 bike. These bikes are also being made by the same companies that built all those moto2 bikes so I wouldn't worry just yet. It's going to take time.
Moto2 bikes are nearly 20kg lighter (assuming both Moto2 and CRTs are at min weight), and Jerez isn't a horsepower track. Moto2 also has two season of development, and riders who are confident in the package. The Moto2 times are going to stack up really well at Jerez.
The test is really difficult to interpret b/c there is so much in play. For instance, it's not a horsepower track so you'd think CRT bikes would stack up well b/c they are a bit short on power and acceleration. However, CRTs know they have done almost no chassis development so a tight track would accentuate the problems with their bikes. I think the high speed turns on the back side of the circuit would be the biggest problem of all.
So what's going on? Is the low horsepower requirement making CRT bikes look relatively good? Is the tight twisting nature bringing out their flaws? Probably both imo, b/c the times are still off by roughly the same margin.
I think CRTs would be wise to do most of their testing at Jerez. Engine testing can be done on a bench. Chassis testing must be done on the road, and Jerez will bring out the worst in an ill-handling, ill-balanced bike. The engines will ultimately determine whether or not the CRTs can scare the factory bikes, but most of the vital engine testing (power & reliability) can be done on a bench.
I would really like to know the state of tune of that BMW engine. Do they have WSBK parts inside or is this thing filled with mainly stock components? Big difference, imo.
Thanks for the times, FUTheman.
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