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Cal Crutchlow???? WTF

lil red rocket pilot
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And him beating Rossi?

Vale did have a cracked front disc,

Not a fair comparison yet!

 

Just saying ;)
Cracked front disc or not, Cal had upper hand over Rossi all weekend and without that mistake he could have finished alot closer to Lorenzo. Can't wait for Jerez, i can see five way battle as Cal and Rossi both like that track very much.
 
inam
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Cracked front disc or not, Cal had upper hand over Rossi all weekend and without that mistake he could have finished alot closer to Lorenzo. Can't wait for Jerez, i can see five way battle as Cal and Rossi both like that track very much.


 


Like I said,


Not a fair comparison yet.


I wait with baited breath and fingers crossed!


Maybe just maybe ;)
 
Rossi said something about losing something from the front disc, which caused vibrations.


I've not seen any information/images confirming it as a cracked disc. If anything, I interpreted it as perhaps one of the pins for the floating discs coming loose or something.


 


In any case, it seems straight out of the excuse book. Did he have the same problem in WUP? It's rare to remove discs in between WUP and the race. If not, on which lap did it manifest itself? He didn't seem too phased by it during the race, as he did better lap times than Q2 or WUP. It's just that those better lap times were inferior to Cal's race pace.


 


In any case, we're a whole 2 races in. A podium and a 6th just make for good speculation.
 
Dr No
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Rossi said something about losing something from the front disc, which caused vibrations.


I've not seen any information/images confirming it as a cracked disc. If anything, I interpreted it as perhaps one of the pins for the floating discs coming loose or something.


 


In any case, it seems straight out of the excuse book. Did he have the same problem in WUP? It's rare to remove discs in between WUP and the race. If not, on which lap did it manifest itself? He didn't seem too phased by it during the race, as he did better lap times than Q2 or WUP. It's just that those better lap times were inferior to Cal's race pace.


 


In any case, we're a whole 2 races in. A podium and a 6th just make for good speculation.


 


I stand corrected, Thanks ;)
 
ha!


But I was serious about the images/info on the disc damage. If true, can we say the second factory Yamaha is cursed?
 
The current Rossi (whom I would call VR version 3.0) has no problems, imo, recognizing other riders' merits. Also because it would look preposterous of him pretending to still be the fastest rider on earth. So I do not think he's looking for excuses when he speaks of a damaged front disk. His Yamaha actually showed some quirk reaction entering a couple of corners, which were visible on TV. <span style="font-size:14px;As my best wish for Crutchlow, I hope Gresini will offer him  his factory spec Honda next year, if contracts allow. Honda could even be the better bike for his style.
 
J4rn0
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The current Rossi (whom I would call VR version 3.0) has no problems, imo, recognizing other riders' merits. Also because it would look preposterous of him pretending to still be the fastest rider on earth. So I do not think he's looking for excuses when he speaks of a damaged front disk. His Yamaha actually showed some quirk reaction entering a couple of corners, which were visible on TV. <span style="font-size:14px;As my best wish for Crutchlow, I hope Gresini will offer him  his factory spec Honda next year, if contracts allow. Honda could even be the better bike for his style.


 


Fcuk that!


Showa suspension!


The bike gods wouldn't, would they?
 
lil red rocket pilot
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Fcuk that!


Showa suspension!


The bike gods wouldn't, would they?


 


Was speaking to Clark about this. It's entirely possible that the Showa isn't much of a step back from the Öhlins, if any at all. The biggest problem for Gresini, in my opinion, is that there's just Bautista running the Showas. If they had a reference point, as in a teammate or a couple of years' worth of data to refer to, I think this wouldn't be much of an issue. So with two years of data collected, I'm of the opinion that whoever's riding that bike next season won't be at much of a disadvantage suspension-wise.
 
Austin
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Was speaking to Clark about this. It's entirely possible that the Showa isn't much of a step back from the Öhlins, if any at all. The biggest problem for Gresini, in my opinion, is that there's just Bautista running the Showas. If they had a reference point, as in a teammate or a couple of years' worth of data to refer to, I think this wouldn't be much of an issue. So with two years of data collected, I'm of the opinion that whoever's riding that bike next season won't be at much of a disadvantage suspension-wise.


Showa and single prototype aside, the biggest problem for Gresini in my opinion is the 'Go and Fun' ghastly garish green.
 
Austin
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Was speaking to Clark about this. It's entirely possible that the Showa isn't much of a step back from the Öhlins, if any at all. The biggest problem for Gresini, in my opinion, is that there's just Bautista running the Showas. If they had a reference point, as in a teammate or a couple of years' worth of data to refer to, I think this wouldn't be much of an issue. So with two years of data collected, I'm of the opinion that whoever's riding that bike next season won't be at much of a disadvantage suspension-wise.


 


You have a very valid point there A ;)
 
Austin
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Was speaking to Clark about this. It's entirely possible that the Showa isn't much of a step back from the Öhlins, if any at all. The biggest problem for Gresini, in my opinion, is that there's just Bautista running the Showas. If they had a reference point, as in a teammate or a couple of years' worth of data to refer to, I think this wouldn't be much of an issue. So with two years of data collected, I'm of the opinion that whoever's riding that bike next season won't be at much of a disadvantage suspension-wise.


 


 Bautista signed a contract for 2014 


 


http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/27669/alvaro-bautista-receives-contract-extension-for-2014
 
Arrabbiata1
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Showa and single prototype aside, the biggest problem for Gresini in my opinion is the 'Go and Fun' ghastly garish green.


 


This. Give us San Carlo back. :)
 
J4rn0
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The current Rossi (whom I would call VR version 3.0) has no problems, imo, recognizing other riders' merits. Also because it would look preposterous of him pretending to still be the fastest rider on earth. So I do not think he's looking for excuses when he speaks of a damaged front disk. His Yamaha actually showed some quirk reaction entering a couple of corners, which were visible on TV. <span style="font-size:14px;As my best wish for Crutchlow, I hope Gresini will offer him  his factory spec Honda next year, if contracts allow. Honda could even be the better bike for his style.


In the absence if evidence; what else would you call it? An explanation, perhaps?

Anyway, I'd be fascinated to see the damage.
 
'thedeal'
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Danny is always injured and has killed a lot of bikes once almost costing nicky and hrc the title,sic also was very inconsistant and wrecked his bikes,in comparison Cal is very much a newcomer and still learning, his results are at least as good as sics and he got a factory ride,even though i am a brit i think cal deserves a factory ride on merit,as for finishing were he should, he is a constant podium threat,give the boy the bike and the support and we would have a contender in my opinion.


 

I'm still not one-hundred percent, I got sick on the flight home, which I will post the story and the complaint letter I have issued the airline in the social meet up thread later; but I've managed to pop in on the forum here and there between shots of NyQuil rather than tequila (which I am considering retiring).  
 
Your post above, and similar sentiments by others... has reminded of a comedian I once was watching, who had the audience rolling, and then he said: "You're all laughing now saying, haha, yeah yeah ha-ha, that is until I get to that one part of my show where you will say, hey....... you man!"
 
A few thoughts regarding Crutchlow ( I'm only writing until the effects of the latest dose of NyQuil takes its toll, so I'll be brief): 
 
PERSPECTIVE!  This seems to be lost at the moment when talking about Cal Crutchlow.  First, let me say, I have been genuinely impressed with his lap times, no doubt the man is super talented.  And given the relative safety of being 7000 miles away from the Brit contingent, specifically Lil Red & Arrabi, and for you here I won't repeat my thoughts on the merits of Cal being promoted into the series, or his performance years 1 & 2--summarized I'd say there were 'lacking' relatively speaking.  Regardless, we can't negate that Cal has been in the top slots during testing, practices, quals, and most importantly, the last two races.  I haven't had a chance to read all the chatter on the media outlets, press releases, and interviews, etc., as I can barely get up for a cup of water between visits to the toilet and the bed, but let me say a few things.  Sometimes we have to analyze things a bit deeper to seek that perspective.  For years it seemed 90% of GP spectators were falling over themselves to tell us how Rossi was infalliable, and who could argue against them, as the record seemed to indicate they were right.  But if you were motivated, as I was, to scratch beneath the service, there was plenty of evidence to support the alternate view that VR was not/is not as good as we have all believed (I won't bore you here with all the exclusive entitlements he enjoyed which I have made a forum career of pointing out that indicate (at least for me) his recorded is artificially padded).  But lets look at a few things I have thought about regarding Cal's performance so far (I am reminded by a quote from LeviGerrett who was heard at the track saying after Cal made a braking mistake: "This is what Cal does."
 
 
1. Cal should send the designers of Qatar and COTA flowers; whom had F1 in mind when they designed it, providing the run-off possible for Cal to finished both these races in one piece; OTHERWISE, we would be talking 2 for 2 (100%) DNFs to start the season!  I replied to somebody who said GP should avoid F1 tracks, well, if Cal has scrutinized his performance, I doubt he would make the same conclusion.  I'm thinking he should be praying for F1 tracks, that is until he can figure out how not make mistakes on braking (a generally accepted Yamaha strength). This is a carry over of the last two years, Cal is NOT a relatively "new comer" in this regard, not to the series, not to this bike.
 
2. Cal should send Ducati flowers.  Cal on a Ducati would have been relegated to finish behind Dovi and ahead of injured Spies, and the increased interest in his career would have been in the exact opposite direction.  Cal deserves praise for beating Rossi, who just came off a horrible performance at Ducati, but he had a brake issue at COTA riding on Spies' bike (so it seems).  Cal should expect to be behind VR regularly once in Europe, and passed with relative ease as he did so at Qatar.
 
3. Cal should send Bradley flowers.  Why have Pedro, Hayden, and Rossi seemed deserving of castigation, criticism, and general disapproval?  The answer is, because they have been handed their ..... by their teammate.  Lets shelve the fact that Cal would have been sitting on a Ducati had he got what he made abundantly public he wanted; but the best measure for us to ascribe significance to his performance for comparison is gone!  We now have Bradley Smith as his teammate (sitting in the standing below all 4 .... Ducatis, even a guy with a bum wing AND a couple of CRTs) who is getting beat by DuCRT and proper CRTs in races he finishes. Given his teammate is far inferior in performance, we are forced to SPECULATE just how “inferior” his M1 is to the factory M1s.  That speculation has been inclined to give Cal all the benefit of the doubt (and rightly so, but the magnitude may be debatable).  That Cal is beating his teammate is hardly cause for kudos (sorry to my Brit friends, but the kid, as likeable as he is, simply is being out classed).  Which brings me to the next and probably most important point of all regarding PERSPECTIVE.
 
4. Cal should send Andrea Dovizioso flowers. Just how impressive would Cal’s performance be if he had Dovi as his teammate? Well, Dovi is now at Ducati; notwithstanding, this is the man who was responsible for flustering Rossi in Qatar AND finished one position behind Rossi at COTA.  This, on a bike that Rossi declared repeatedly (where his followers echoed in stereo) was a machine ‘un-rideable’!   I can sure you, if Cal had a massively inferior bike to the factory’s, he would be telling us at every opportunity!  People are still speculating if he has a 2012 spec M1 engine/bike, where he already tweeted last round that he has the same lump as Lorenzo & Rossi.  He also mentioned after Qatar, he messed with the mapping, lowering the power, finishing the race with a measure of fuel reserve (where as Rossi ran out) which may have affected the outcome.  Anyway, the point being this, who here believes if Dovi had remained Cal’s teammate, that Cal would have beat him both rounds?  If Dovi finishes ahead of Cal, in your minds eye, then who is ready to demand Cal get “factory” support?
 
5. HRC 2nd seat: I completely agree with your take about Cal or anybody of his ability (which means a few riders) deserving to get Pedro's seat.  The midget has done .... all with it, and he's been given every opportunity.  Its time for a change. If they go after Cal to replace Pedrobot, I'm all for it.  At this point it would be something like a lateral move, with the ADVANTAGE that Cal (who has had plenty of practice falling the last two years) has proven to be gritty and won't break apart like a fragile china doll that is Pedrosa.  
 
Sorry buddy, I’ve generally agreed with everything you’ve posted, and believe you me, I am 10x more self-conscious and insecure about Arrabi’s judgment on my takes, given his positive perspective on Cal than I would be from you or Lil Red (God help me at Laguna).  But despite his good finishing and great lap times, if you dig a bit deeper, the man still has to quit repeating & repeating mistakes in races and ride flawless; I know, sounds an absurd and outrageous demand (as I say this from the comfort of my bed) YET, keep in mind, the top 3 podium finishers actually rode to  PERFECTION! This is what it takes at this level (that and a top bike).
 
Haha, totally agree with all of that. Everyone thinks this year Cal is showing how good he really is, but by the time we're halfway through Europe it will be clear how inconsistent he is. He is fast, but too ragged for motogp. Last year Dovi flattered him by giving him a tow in almost every race.
 
Jumkie
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I'm still not one-hundred percent, I got sick on the flight home, which I will post the story and the complaint letter I have issued the airline in the social meet up thread later; but I've managed to pop in on the forum here and there between shots of NyQuil rather than tequila (which I am considering retiring).  

 

Your post above, and similar sentiments by others... has reminded of a comedian I once was watching, who had the audience rolling, and then he said: "You're all laughing now saying, haha, yeah yeah ha-ha, that is until I get to that one part of my show where you will say, hey....... you man!"

 

A few thoughts regarding Crutchlow ( I'm only writing until the effects of the latest dose of NyQuil takes its toll, so I'll be brief): 

 
PERSPECTIVE!  This seems to be lost at the moment when talking about Cal Crutchlow.  First, let me say, I have been genuinely impressed with his lap times, no doubt the man is super talented.  And given the relative safety of being 7000 miles away from the Brit contingent, specifically Lil Red & Arrabi, and for you here I won't repeat my thoughts on the merits of Cal being promoted into the series, or his performance years 1 & 2--summarized I'd say there were 'lacking' relatively speaking.  Regardless, we can't negate that Cal has been in the top slots during testing, practices, quals, and most importantly, the last two races.  I haven't had a chance to read all the chatter on the media outlets, press releases, and interviews, etc., as I can barely get up for a cup of water between visits to the toilet and the bed, but let me say a few things.  Sometimes we have to analyze things a bit deeper to seek that perspective.  For years it seemed 90% of GP spectators were falling over themselves to tell us how Rossi was infalliable, and who could argue against them, as the record seemed to indicate they were right.  But if you were motivated, as I was, to scratch beneath the service, there was plenty of evidence to support the alternate view that VR was not/is not as good as we have all believed (I won't bore you here with all the exclusive entitlements he enjoyed which I have made a forum career of pointing out that indicate (at least for me) his recorded is artificially padded).  But lets look at a few things I have thought about regarding Cal's performance so far (I am reminded by a quote from LeviGerrett who was heard at the track saying after Cal made a braking mistake: "This is what Cal does."

 

 

1. Cal should send the designers of Qatar and COTA flowers; whom had F1 in mind when they designed it, providing the run-off possible for Cal to finished both these races in one piece; OTHERWISE, we would be talking 2 for 2 (100%) DNFs to start the season!  I replied to somebody who said GP should avoid F1 tracks, well, if Cal has scrutinized his performance, I doubt he would make the same conclusion.  I'm thinking he should be praying for F1 tracks, that is until he can figure out how not make mistakes on braking (a generally accepted Yamaha strength). This is a carry over of the last two years, Cal is NOT a relatively "new comer" in this regard, not to the series, not to this bike.

 

2. Cal should send Ducati flowers.  Cal on a Ducati would have been relegated to finish behind Dovi and ahead of injured Spies, and the increased interest in his career would have been in the exact opposite direction.  Cal deserves praise for beating Rossi, who just came off a horrible performance at Ducati, but he had a brake issue at COTA riding on Spies' bike (so it seems).  Cal should expect to be behind VR regularly once in Europe, and passed with relative ease as he did so at Qatar.

 

3. Cal should send Bradley flowers.  Why have Pedro, Hayden, and Rossi seemed deserving of castigation, criticism, and general disapproval?  The answer is, because they have been handed their ..... by their teammate.  Lets shelve the fact that Cal would have been sitting on a Ducati had he got what he made abundantly public he wanted; but the best measure for us to ascribe significance to his performance for comparison is gone!  We now have Bradley Smith as his teammate (sitting in the standing below all 4 .... Ducatis, even a guy with a bum wing AND a couple of CRTs) who is getting beat by DuCRT and proper CRTs in races he finishes. Given his teammate is far inferior in performance, we are forced to SPECULATE just how inferior his M1 is to the factory M1s.  That speculation has been inclined to give Cal all the benefit of the doubt (and rightly so, but the magnitude may be debatable).  That Cal is beating his teammate is hardly cause for kudos (sorry to my Brit friends, but the kid, as likeable as he is, simply is being out classed).  Which brings me to the next and probably most important point of all regarding PERSPECTIVE.

 

4. Cal should send Andrea Dovizioso flowers. Just how impressive would Cals performance be if he had Dovi as his teammate? Well, Dovi is now at Ducati; notwithstanding, this is the man who was responsible for flustering Rossi in Qatar AND finished one position behind Rossi at COTA.  This, on a bike that Rossi declared repeatedly (where his followers echoed in stereo) was a machine un-rideable!   I can sure you, if Cal had a massively inferior bike to the factorys, he would be telling us at every opportunity!  People are still speculating if he has a 2012 spec M1 engine/bike, where he already tweeted last round that he has the same lump as Lorenzo & Rossi.  He also mentioned after Qatar, he messed with the mapping, lowering the power, finishing the race with a measure of fuel reserve (where as Rossi ran out) which may have affected the outcome.  Anyway, the point being this, who here believes if Dovi had remained Cals teammate, that Cal would have beat him both rounds?  If Dovi finishes ahead of Cal, in your minds eye, then who is ready to demand Cal get factory support?

 

5. HRC 2nd seat: I completely agree with your take about Cal or anybody of his ability (which means a few riders) deserving to get Pedro's seat.  The midget has done .... all with it, and he's been given every opportunity.  Its time for a change. If they go after Cal to replace Pedrobot, I'm all for it.  At this point it would be something like a lateral move, with the ADVANTAGE that Cal (who has had plenty of practice falling the last two years) has proven to be gritty and won't break apart like a fragile china doll that is Pedrosa.  

 

Sorry buddy, Ive generally agreed with everything youve posted, and believe you me, I am 10x more self-conscious and insecure about Arrabis judgment on my takes, given his positive perspective on Cal than I would be from you or Lil Red (God help me at Laguna).  But despite his good finishing and great lap times, if you dig a bit deeper, the man still has to quit repeating & repeating mistakes in races and ride flawless; I know, sounds an absurd and outrageous demand (as I say this from the comfort of my bed) YET, keep in mind, the top 3 podium finishers actually rode to  PERFECTION! This is what it takes at this level (that and a top bike).


Take some more tablets and go to sleep .......
 

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