Joined Jan 2011
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The North!
Willski
Did I miss something?
When was JR mentioned all weekend!!!
I thought this was a motogp thread about a bit of proper GB talent!?
Mouth Soap Wash!
If you were my boy
Did I miss something?
When was JR mentioned all weekend!!!
I thought this was a motogp thread about a bit of proper GB talent!?
Mouth Soap Wash!
If you were my boy
Joined Oct 2006
25K Posts | 4K+
Your Mom's House
Willski
Just for that little outburst. Here you go, enjoy.
Jumkie
I called in sick to go to the AustinGP, now I’m here at work sick as a dog (easy Barry) with no sick days to call upon. Did you know that if you take too much NyQuil and sleep for 13 hours, you will still wake up tired!? Yeah, its true.
Allow me to rebut a few of my points I made earlier (Edit, I started this post sitting in the ....... this morning). Yes, I will debate myself, blame it on the effects of a cocktail combination of Zicam, Advil, NyQuil, and my wife’s attempt to make Indian curry for the first time in honor of my Brit friends who brought baring gifts. It was here first attempt….I start this post from the toilet. She is determined to learn how to make the British National Cuisine to offer you guys on the next visit to Casa Jumkie (I love this women, but her first attempt at ‘vindaloo’…not so much).
PERSPECTIVE! Seeking context for that all important “perspective” is always important to analyze ‘what could be’ nothing ever replaces ‘what is.’ And the FACT ‘is’ that Cal has been fast with zero DNFs.
Jumkie
Rebuttal: Yes, the extra run-off was designed to allow the F1 cars to get back on track and keep the action going rather than seeing a zillion dollar car (and its zillion sponsors) eliminated prematurely. But its actually this run-off that allows for the riders of MotoGP to take an additional margin of risk! They brake even deeper than normally and take more risks (a characteristic of these circuits that Stoner was vocal in explaining was a double edged sword). If they knew that beyond the curbing was waiting for them a DNF inducing visit to gravel and possible injury, they might not brake as late. The down side might be we wouldn’t witness the amazing uttermost edge of limits to get a GP machine stopped from such awesome speeds. Its quite possible Cal would have not broke so late in these corners if there wasn’t any run-off, where he elected to do so knowing that a minor mistake might not cost him a crash (and or the loss of much track position, which is precisely what happened). It may have been Cal's calculated risk, which if you look at it this way, wasn’t so bad. I would rather see the man take the risk of attempted passing than sitting behind the guy as he did much of last year, at COTA he seemed more determined to pass than he did at Qatar, this is progress! There may be some evidence here that he has considered his previous crashing propensities of the last two years, the FACT is, he did NOT crash out these two rounds, and finished both races in the top 5 (4th at COTA ahead of one full factory bike, with the caveat that there may have been a braking issues on said bike). But we generally don’t give two ..... about mechanicals, we only care about results (ask Ben Spies).
Jumkie
Rebuttal: There is absolutely no precedence to think any talented rider other than Stoner could ride the DucatiGP to victory, HOWEVER, speculating Cal could not ride it is simply SPECULATION (its has less substance than a fart in the wind). Even though we should easily accept the probability of 99.99999 to 0.00001 that Cal would suffer the same fate as others, even still, we would NOT know for certain until “what if he tried” happened. We briefly had this conversation at Austin, Lil Red assured me the odds wouldn’t be so bleak, so I’d be willing to revise them to somewhere between 99.9 to 0.01. The FACT is Cal is NOT riding a DucatiGP. So speculation is simply that. Here we must defer to his performance on what he IS riding.
Jumkie
Rebuttal: In the spirit of staying with FACTS and not speculation, Dovi is handing Nicky his ...: Fact (much to my chagrin), Lorenzo to Rossi: Fact (much to my delight), Marcky to Pedro: fact (much to Kropos delight), and Cal is handing ... to Bradley: FACT (much to British internal discord perhaps leading to wishful rationalization) yet, its still an undisputable fact. We can talk all day about the merits of either Bradley (or Cal’s) promotion into the première class, regardless, the fact is they are here, and both are on podium worthy competitive bikes (quite similar to the Marquez vs Pedrosa dynamic if you think about it). Where its reasonable to give a rookie a pass, the magnitude in deferential performance within the Tech3 & HRC teams indicates that Cal is exceeding expectation (lets shelf the idea that Marq is construed a freak. I personally don’t rate Pedro ‘comparatively’ and I’m more inclined to say it’s an ‘apples to apples’ comparative of rookie vs veteran. I would argue Pedro’s record has led most to believe he is better than he really is, remembering his entire stint spent at HRC, a 1st tier--in a parity challenged series…but lets not get off on a tangent).
Jumkie
Rebuttal: The entire point here is based on the ‘assumption’ that Dovi would be beating Cal in the first two rounds. I think it would be a fairly acceptable assumption based on the last few races of last year, where Cal finished the season with a string of DNFs. But in the interest of presenting a few facts, here is one, he did have a podium near the end of the season. If we are going to make assumptions, then its equally valid and fair to make the assumption that perhaps the taste of podium clicked something inside Cal. Perhaps Cal has turned the corner and realized crashing is exceedingly detrimental to his points classification, where over the off-season just maybe he vowed this would be Big Change #1. What about the assumption of who might be faster this season between Cal & Dovi? Without the time consuming exercise of going back and checking, I’ll assume here that Cal was much closer to the front of the pack during this pre-season testing than he was last year’s pre-season, backed up by the fact he topped the charts at some point. It was rather sensational news when Cal topped the test charts (as it was when Rossi ‘was back’ on top).
Jumkie
Rebuttal: I have no rebuttal. Pedro should be replaced immediately and without further delay. Other than Rossi at Ducati, no other manufacture has been so fixated and absolute in their unconditional willingness to create a prototype machine around its rider. In addition, UNLIKE Rossi at Ducati, HRC actually possessed the overwhelming means, technical juggernaut, and colossal influence and lobbying more akin to duress on the sport to execute their ambitions! This point cannot be overstated; it even surpasses the desperate attempt by Ducati to catapult Rossi, where within two years they did the “unthinkable” and attempted to build a ‘twin-spar’ DucatiGP. Even with the aid of the league to tweak the testing rules, tires (allegedly), machine weight rules, and whatever we were not privy behind the scenes, it still required a spectacular bailout back to a top tier machine resulting in a 1:4 chance at contention for VR--the GP rider (as has been calculated). Pedro has had no such hiccup, and has been on top tier package uninterrupted his entire GP career. How this did not produce at very least one solitary Big Boy title is shocking if you consider the overwhelming and exclusive odds in his favor; and quite the puig-elephant in the room when we consider his MotoGP career thus far. When the spectators and league are ready to crucify Ben Spies for one underperforming year after a googol of misfortune (pronounced “Google”--BJC, who declared Ben’s injuries and mechanicals as mere excuses), then I’d say Pedro has had 6x the opportunities and then some. Many of Pedro’s injuries have come by way of self-inflicted crashes or devious “hurry-ups” by Alberto Puig, who again just this last race at COTA purposefully fed Pedro a bogus lap count pit-board. This, reminiscent of the bogus pit-board which was spectacularly followed by a crash and a broken wing ending his title challenge (where was it, Germany I think). So I stand by my point, I think if HRC wanted to replace Pedro with Cal or any other top rider, then I’d applaud the move. God knows they wouldn’t shatter into tiny ....-bits, and even if they did break a few bones, at very least Cal has proven he could buck up for the occasion, as he did in his home GP.
Good night Y’all. :....:
Just for that little outburst. Here you go, enjoy.
Jumkie
I called in sick to go to the AustinGP, now I’m here at work sick as a dog (easy Barry) with no sick days to call upon. Did you know that if you take too much NyQuil and sleep for 13 hours, you will still wake up tired!? Yeah, its true.
Allow me to rebut a few of my points I made earlier (Edit, I started this post sitting in the ....... this morning). Yes, I will debate myself, blame it on the effects of a cocktail combination of Zicam, Advil, NyQuil, and my wife’s attempt to make Indian curry for the first time in honor of my Brit friends who brought baring gifts. It was here first attempt….I start this post from the toilet. She is determined to learn how to make the British National Cuisine to offer you guys on the next visit to Casa Jumkie (I love this women, but her first attempt at ‘vindaloo’…not so much).
PERSPECTIVE! Seeking context for that all important “perspective” is always important to analyze ‘what could be’ nothing ever replaces ‘what is.’ And the FACT ‘is’ that Cal has been fast with zero DNFs.
Jumkie
Rebuttal: Yes, the extra run-off was designed to allow the F1 cars to get back on track and keep the action going rather than seeing a zillion dollar car (and its zillion sponsors) eliminated prematurely. But its actually this run-off that allows for the riders of MotoGP to take an additional margin of risk! They brake even deeper than normally and take more risks (a characteristic of these circuits that Stoner was vocal in explaining was a double edged sword). If they knew that beyond the curbing was waiting for them a DNF inducing visit to gravel and possible injury, they might not brake as late. The down side might be we wouldn’t witness the amazing uttermost edge of limits to get a GP machine stopped from such awesome speeds. Its quite possible Cal would have not broke so late in these corners if there wasn’t any run-off, where he elected to do so knowing that a minor mistake might not cost him a crash (and or the loss of much track position, which is precisely what happened). It may have been Cal's calculated risk, which if you look at it this way, wasn’t so bad. I would rather see the man take the risk of attempted passing than sitting behind the guy as he did much of last year, at COTA he seemed more determined to pass than he did at Qatar, this is progress! There may be some evidence here that he has considered his previous crashing propensities of the last two years, the FACT is, he did NOT crash out these two rounds, and finished both races in the top 5 (4th at COTA ahead of one full factory bike, with the caveat that there may have been a braking issues on said bike). But we generally don’t give two ..... about mechanicals, we only care about results (ask Ben Spies).
Jumkie
Rebuttal: There is absolutely no precedence to think any talented rider other than Stoner could ride the DucatiGP to victory, HOWEVER, speculating Cal could not ride it is simply SPECULATION (its has less substance than a fart in the wind). Even though we should easily accept the probability of 99.99999 to 0.00001 that Cal would suffer the same fate as others, even still, we would NOT know for certain until “what if he tried” happened. We briefly had this conversation at Austin, Lil Red assured me the odds wouldn’t be so bleak, so I’d be willing to revise them to somewhere between 99.9 to 0.01. The FACT is Cal is NOT riding a DucatiGP. So speculation is simply that. Here we must defer to his performance on what he IS riding.
Jumkie
Rebuttal: In the spirit of staying with FACTS and not speculation, Dovi is handing Nicky his ...: Fact (much to my chagrin), Lorenzo to Rossi: Fact (much to my delight), Marcky to Pedro: fact (much to Kropos delight), and Cal is handing ... to Bradley: FACT (much to British internal discord perhaps leading to wishful rationalization) yet, its still an undisputable fact. We can talk all day about the merits of either Bradley (or Cal’s) promotion into the première class, regardless, the fact is they are here, and both are on podium worthy competitive bikes (quite similar to the Marquez vs Pedrosa dynamic if you think about it). Where its reasonable to give a rookie a pass, the magnitude in deferential performance within the Tech3 & HRC teams indicates that Cal is exceeding expectation (lets shelf the idea that Marq is construed a freak. I personally don’t rate Pedro ‘comparatively’ and I’m more inclined to say it’s an ‘apples to apples’ comparative of rookie vs veteran. I would argue Pedro’s record has led most to believe he is better than he really is, remembering his entire stint spent at HRC, a 1st tier--in a parity challenged series…but lets not get off on a tangent).
Jumkie
Rebuttal: The entire point here is based on the ‘assumption’ that Dovi would be beating Cal in the first two rounds. I think it would be a fairly acceptable assumption based on the last few races of last year, where Cal finished the season with a string of DNFs. But in the interest of presenting a few facts, here is one, he did have a podium near the end of the season. If we are going to make assumptions, then its equally valid and fair to make the assumption that perhaps the taste of podium clicked something inside Cal. Perhaps Cal has turned the corner and realized crashing is exceedingly detrimental to his points classification, where over the off-season just maybe he vowed this would be Big Change #1. What about the assumption of who might be faster this season between Cal & Dovi? Without the time consuming exercise of going back and checking, I’ll assume here that Cal was much closer to the front of the pack during this pre-season testing than he was last year’s pre-season, backed up by the fact he topped the charts at some point. It was rather sensational news when Cal topped the test charts (as it was when Rossi ‘was back’ on top).
Jumkie
Rebuttal: I have no rebuttal. Pedro should be replaced immediately and without further delay. Other than Rossi at Ducati, no other manufacture has been so fixated and absolute in their unconditional willingness to create a prototype machine around its rider. In addition, UNLIKE Rossi at Ducati, HRC actually possessed the overwhelming means, technical juggernaut, and colossal influence and lobbying more akin to duress on the sport to execute their ambitions! This point cannot be overstated; it even surpasses the desperate attempt by Ducati to catapult Rossi, where within two years they did the “unthinkable” and attempted to build a ‘twin-spar’ DucatiGP. Even with the aid of the league to tweak the testing rules, tires (allegedly), machine weight rules, and whatever we were not privy behind the scenes, it still required a spectacular bailout back to a top tier machine resulting in a 1:4 chance at contention for VR--the GP rider (as has been calculated). Pedro has had no such hiccup, and has been on top tier package uninterrupted his entire GP career. How this did not produce at very least one solitary Big Boy title is shocking if you consider the overwhelming and exclusive odds in his favor; and quite the puig-elephant in the room when we consider his MotoGP career thus far. When the spectators and league are ready to crucify Ben Spies for one underperforming year after a googol of misfortune (pronounced “Google”--BJC, who declared Ben’s injuries and mechanicals as mere excuses), then I’d say Pedro has had 6x the opportunities and then some. Many of Pedro’s injuries have come by way of self-inflicted crashes or devious “hurry-ups” by Alberto Puig, who again just this last race at COTA purposefully fed Pedro a bogus lap count pit-board. This, reminiscent of the bogus pit-board which was spectacularly followed by a crash and a broken wing ending his title challenge (where was it, Germany I think). So I stand by my point, I think if HRC wanted to replace Pedro with Cal or any other top rider, then I’d applaud the move. God knows they wouldn’t shatter into tiny ....-bits, and even if they did break a few bones, at very least Cal has proven he could buck up for the occasion, as he did in his home GP.
Good night Y’all. :....:
Jumkie
Would have bee quicker just to agree with me in the first place. :whistling:
Edit. if your good lady needs a uk recipe of our national dish give me a shout.(seriously)
Would have bee quicker just to agree with me in the first place. :whistling:
Edit. if your good lady needs a uk recipe of our national dish give me a shout.(seriously)
Sometimes reading this forum is like reading a full novel. Length of posts are so effing long. I'm waiting for next week when we go to Spain where there aren't tarmac runoffs. We'll see how cal does on a track where if he runs off, he can't just keep going like nothing happened.
Joined Mar 2005
7K Posts | 20+
Woody Creek
Jumkie
I'd just like to remind you that you described the diatribe you've now rebutted—which, by the way, I couldn't be arsed to read because it's far, far too long—as "brief." How can I be expected to read every novel from each drug- and booze-fueled personality of yours?
I'd just like to remind you that you described the diatribe you've now rebutted—which, by the way, I couldn't be arsed to read because it's far, far too long—as "brief." How can I be expected to read every novel from each drug- and booze-fueled personality of yours?
Joined Jul 2008
2K Posts | 14+
Tweed Valley Australia
I am with Jumkie on the Pedro should be replaced.
100% and without delay. Repsol has their Spaniard who can challenge for a championship and win it.
Since 2006 Pedro has been a bridesmaid, a comedy sidekick, you notice how in the batman series Robin never breaks out on his own?
Pedro had his batman first with Nicky, then with Casey and now Marquez will relegate him back to bridesmaid. His time as a No:1 riding was a ratings disaster, he never got to the number 1 spot.
He costs too much and has despite his ability to only communicate like beaker from the muppets far too much sway in the politics, through his manager Albert the Pig. He has failed in his mission from day one and has never succeeded, he has sat on the best bike (arguably) in motogp for too long and failed failed failed.
When marquez kicks his arse this year it will be his 9th successive year of "nearly".
The team should have been Stoner and Marquez with Pedro on a supported satellite ride.
I would really settle for Cal and Marquez (because I like Cal, and I'm scared that in his eyes I can see he will make a coat from my skin if I didn't).
.... Pedro.
100% and without delay. Repsol has their Spaniard who can challenge for a championship and win it.
Since 2006 Pedro has been a bridesmaid, a comedy sidekick, you notice how in the batman series Robin never breaks out on his own?
Pedro had his batman first with Nicky, then with Casey and now Marquez will relegate him back to bridesmaid. His time as a No:1 riding was a ratings disaster, he never got to the number 1 spot.
He costs too much and has despite his ability to only communicate like beaker from the muppets far too much sway in the politics, through his manager Albert the Pig. He has failed in his mission from day one and has never succeeded, he has sat on the best bike (arguably) in motogp for too long and failed failed failed.
When marquez kicks his arse this year it will be his 9th successive year of "nearly".
The team should have been Stoner and Marquez with Pedro on a supported satellite ride.
I would really settle for Cal and Marquez (because I like Cal, and I'm scared that in his eyes I can see he will make a coat from my skin if I didn't).
.... Pedro.
Joined Jan 2011
3K Posts | 152+
The North!
Andy Roo
Wait while next year!
You do know the neighbourhood house prices will fall at 1% per hour starting from the moment I walk down your path
Wait while next year!
You do know the neighbourhood house prices will fall at 1% per hour starting from the moment I walk down your path
You obviously haven't seen Tweed Heads... if the prices got any lower, they would be paying you to live there. If it isn't the flooding and the cyclones and the snakes and the bogans it's the whacked-out coppers playing at being Frank Zappa/Hunter S. Thompson while on a bender of mind-altering pharmaceuticals and handguns.
They can't decide if they would rather be banana benders or criminals. They have all the disadvantages of both states and the only advantage being, it is a ....... long way from anywhere else in NSW.
Unlike the pristine, sun-drenched state of Western Australia - where we aren't so much remote, as happily as far away as we can get from that lot, over there.
They can't decide if they would rather be banana benders or criminals. They have all the disadvantages of both states and the only advantage being, it is a ....... long way from anywhere else in NSW.
Unlike the pristine, sun-drenched state of Western Australia - where we aren't so much remote, as happily as far away as we can get from that lot, over there.
Joined Jul 2008
2K Posts | 14+
Tweed Valley Australia
BJ, I live in Murwillumbah,
Murwillumbah is that shady bit of water you avoid that marks the border between blue and brown.
To our east Golden Beaches, to our north the Gold Coast and all its yuppie trappings, home to Bayliss Doohan and many others including armies of blond haired blue eyed big titted strippers (blond blue and big all fake...)
To our west the slum of Nimbin and stench of soap phobic drug addled vegetarians driving old holdens that you fill with oil and check the petrol. A bunch of opinionated work refusing welfare collecting meaningless owners of pointless art and craft shops or crystals (including meth)
Also to our west in the other soap phobic vegetarians the Hari Krishnas (actually I know a heap of them and they ain't too bad), but they grow little onion headed children out in the hills (vegetarians don't have ...).
Everybody smells funny and cannabis grows like trees in the valleys that surround us. It is both the natural haunt of the environmentalist (in the pubs) of the dirt biker (in nature).
Truly God's country but to complete the paradox I am an atheist.
Murwillumbah is that shady bit of water you avoid that marks the border between blue and brown.
To our east Golden Beaches, to our north the Gold Coast and all its yuppie trappings, home to Bayliss Doohan and many others including armies of blond haired blue eyed big titted strippers (blond blue and big all fake...)
To our west the slum of Nimbin and stench of soap phobic drug addled vegetarians driving old holdens that you fill with oil and check the petrol. A bunch of opinionated work refusing welfare collecting meaningless owners of pointless art and craft shops or crystals (including meth)
Also to our west in the other soap phobic vegetarians the Hari Krishnas (actually I know a heap of them and they ain't too bad), but they grow little onion headed children out in the hills (vegetarians don't have ...).
Everybody smells funny and cannabis grows like trees in the valleys that surround us. It is both the natural haunt of the environmentalist (in the pubs) of the dirt biker (in nature).
Truly God's country but to complete the paradox I am an atheist.
Joined Feb 2009
3K Posts | 2+
siebenbürgen süße heimat!
except for the eggheads that sounds way awesome.
if #27 ever does return for a wildcard i'll invite myself to hang out at your place first
if #27 ever does return for a wildcard i'll invite myself to hang out at your place first
Joined Jul 2008
2K Posts | 14+
Tweed Valley Australia
cliché guevara
I'll get one of my, um.. vegetarian friends to locate the best, um...local vegetables for you.
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except for the eggheads that sounds way awesome.
if #27 ever does return for a wildcard i'll invite myself to hang out at your place first
I'll get one of my, um.. vegetarian friends to locate the best, um...local vegetables for you.
Joined Feb 2009
3K Posts | 2+
siebenbürgen süße heimat!
i'll be sure to do nothing dodgy near a cop
we can drink until we get la trancazo pigmeo motero out of you.
can't fight the urge to establish AmA territory
we can drink until we get la trancazo pigmeo motero out of you.
can't fight the urge to establish AmA territory
Joined Jul 2008
2K Posts | 14+
Tweed Valley Australia
cliché guevara
Approved secondary employment my man. I am a musician.
Actually of this week I am a Takamine endorsed musician.
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i'll be sure to do nothing dodgy near a cop
we can drink until we get la trancazo pigmeo motero out of you.
can't fight the urge to establish AmA territory
Approved secondary employment my man. I am a musician.
Actually of this week I am a Takamine endorsed musician.
Joined Feb 2009
3K Posts | 2+
siebenbürgen süße heimat!
congrats! i had one a couple of years ago. always remember it as being way better than what the price tag suggested
You don't read this thread for a couple of days and all hell lets loose!!!!
You boys make me laugh so much, I mean Cal has hardly been mentioned on this page, but I've really enjoyed reading it. I live such a sheltered life compared to you lot!
You boys make me laugh so much, I mean Cal has hardly been mentioned on this page, but I've really enjoyed reading it. I live such a sheltered life compared to you lot!
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