Brno Race Thread

[jamiedonnelly93]

I suppose you could say I am a desperate Rossi fan

he's my hero

I stil think he can win it though

So if he does

I'll laugh at all you disbelievers

 

[kieran]

I find it very strange that so called "fans" of motoGP can decide to switch off during a race and/or for the rest of the season! Yes, it was a boring race but this happens at times especially when one rider/bike package is so dominant. It's not gonna happen every race although it seems like it at the moment with Stoner's form. I bet some people wouldn't be switching off if it was Rossi dominating totally.

 

[mjpartyboy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gui22a @ Aug 19 2007, 03:03 PM) [snapback]85600[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>Rossi, throw the towel? Well done, if he had joined Ducati in 2004, when they invited him, probably would be the champ in 2006 and now in 2007 and maybe next year, better than only in 2005 with Yamaha
Did you forget he also won in 2004 on the poorer than Honda Yamaha.

 

[Traverser]

What a great race. Stoner is THE MAN...Period. His(Stoner) rookie year was no where close to Rossi's first year, but looks like he may over shadow Vale's 2nd year in the top GP class. Hopper must be taking notes from Casey and finally doing his homework. Kawasaki better keep him happy next year. Very happy with Hayden (IMO Honda needs to keep him as their #1 rider). Chris Vermeulen would have been fighting with Dani or even Nicky if it wasn't for those Italians (GULP!!! have mercy on me) Chris will be at in the top three next year! Maybe this year(gulp..gulp)

Now I'm starting to believe the problem for the #46 bike is not the rider or even the tires. It's the engine. I love inline four's they are the easiest to transition side to side and allow great corner speed. This I believe to be the key to them wasting their (yamaha) tires. Nicky rode the distance todayI hope those new engines are a different layout (v-four? inline-three) but that would require them to start from scratch. I pray Yamaha dose pull a rabbit out of their hat. I'm starting to feel pain that Rossi gave all his anti-fans in the last seven years. Thanks Casey

I love this

 

[Tom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Traverser @ Aug 19 2007, 09:52 PM) [snapback]85693[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I love inline four's they are the easiest to transition side to side and allow great corner speed. This I believe to be the key to them wasting their (yamaha) tires.


V4's in theory are easier to corner than inline 4's.

 

[gsfan]

The inline 4 is the engine of choice for all except Yamaha and Kawasaki. It was rejected by Yamaha because they said the COG was too far back to make it handle well. The Kawi is no match for the Suzuki so I hope Hopper didn't make a blunder.

 

[Traverser]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Aug 19 2007, 02:57 PM) [snapback]85695[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
V4's in theory are easier to corner than inline 4's.


With more moving parts(mainly timing chain) I've heard the the opposite. Yeah, you can run a shorter crank, but it has to be stronger (read heavier). Why didn't Honda keep their v-fours when everyone was going to the 1000cc's?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gsfan @ Aug 19 2007, 03:13 PM) [snapback]85701[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The inline 4 is the engine of choice for all except Yamaha and Kawasaki. It was rejected by Yamaha because they said the COG was too far back to make it handle well. The Kawi is no match for the Suzuki so I hope Hopper didn't make a blunder.

??? The only thing you got right was "yamaha and kawasaki". They both are using inline fours.

 

[Tom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Traverser @ Aug 19 2007, 10:16 PM) [snapback]85702[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
With more moving parts(mainly timing chain) I've heard the the opposite. Yeah, you can run a shorter crank, but it has to be stronger (read heavier). Why didn't Honda keep their v-fours when everyone was going to the 1000cc's?


V4's might be slightly heavier, but the mass is more centralized, giving a more neutral C of G but the things that ytou mentioned do make the outright power of a v4 slightly lower.

Inline fours are easier/cheaper to build/maintain because they have a single cylinder bank. for that reason they are much more practical for production bikes. Furthermore an inline four engine can be made shorter, and therefore allow the bike to have a longer swingarm (in respect to overall wheelbase), giving better suspension characteristics.

 

[Traverser]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Aug 19 2007, 03:22 PM) [snapback]85705[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
V4's might be slightly heavier, but the mass is more centralized, giving a more neutral C of G but the things that ytou mentioned do make the outright power of a v4 slightly lower.

Inline fours are easier/cheaper to build/maintain because they have a single cylinder bank. for that reason they are much more practical for production bikes. Furthermore an inline four engine can be made shorter, and therefore allow the bike to have a longer swingarm (in respect to overall wheelbase), giving better suspension characteristics.

I was pointing out the negative effects of a v-4. What you have stated is the other benefits of a inline four to further prove my point why a inline four is better around the corners.

Edit: Tom next time you edit your post, label it so. You added this first paragraph while I was replying.

 

[Tom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Traverser @ Aug 19 2007, 10:30 PM) [snapback]85709[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I was pointing out the negative effects of a v-4. What you have stated is the other benefits of a inline four to further prove my point why a inline four is better around the corners.


Put simply, its a pretty close trade off but i think the V4 is better.V4 has a narrower crank and more centralized mass, Inline 4 can provide more ideal chassis gemometry but so can a narrow angle V4 (at the expense of power).

 

[krazy91]

ill say this first I have never enjoyed f1 but dare I say f1 has provided more interesting races lately than the premier class, the 125cc race at least provided some entertainment

 

[Traverser]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Aug 19 2007, 03:35 PM) [snapback]85710[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Put simply, its a pretty close trade off but i think the V4 is better.V4 has a narrower crank and more centralized mass, Inline 4 can provide more ideal chassis gemometry but so can a narrow angle V4 (at the expense of power).


Put SIMPLY...Are you a really a student? Na-I wont go there. It is always the same with you. Why do you post replies, when I'm stating a my idea and turn it into something else. Yeah, v-fukn4 is the better all-round package, but all I'm stating is the Yamaha engine layout is the cause of tire problems.

 

[Tom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Traverser @ Aug 19 2007, 10:55 PM) [snapback]85716[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Put SIMPLY...Are you a really a student? Na-I wont go there. It is always the same with you. Why do you post replies, when I'm stating a my idea and turn it into something else. Yeah, v-fukn4 is the better all-round package, but all I'm stating is the Yamaha engine layout is the cause of tire problems.


I just pointed some reasons why the V4 is the better option for bike handling and as a side note i mentioned why honda used an inline 4 for their superbike because you asked. As for the tyre problems i'm not sure. There are so many variables that could cause the tyre issues compared to the hondas. It could be the direction of crank rotation (are they still going backwards?), it could be the suspension geometry or setup, it could be the riders, it could be the electronics and it might have just been the choice they made.

 

[chopperman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Aug 19 2007, 09:31 PM) [snapback]85680[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I find it very strange that so called "fans" of motoGP can decide to switch off during a race and/or for the rest of the season! Yes, it was a boring race but this happens at times especially when one rider/bike package is so dominant. It's not gonna happen every race although it seems like it at the moment with Stoner's form. I bet some people wouldn't be switching off if it was Rossi dominating totally.

i agree, i never call a motogp race boring and i would never switch it off.
true this was not the most nail biting ive ever seen but as a fan you have to take the rough with the smooth,

 

[alex29]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Aug 20 2007, 08:16 AM) [snapback]85722[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i agree, i never call a motogp race boring and i would never switch it off.
true this was not the most nail biting ive ever seen but as a fan you have to take the rough with the smooth,

here here.....

 

[Duc999]

Well let me way in on the Rossi debate.
<u>Engine</u>
I think that the I-4 engine most certainly in the cause of most of the issues with the Yamaha. Did you here Bracks say that he saw about 12 engines in the garage for Rossi to test?

I can see different parts but 12 engines! Yamaha is trying to get things under wraps but if they don't soon they may be behind the gun for next year as well.

<u>Tyres</u>

Michelins have not been on task. Most tracks this season have been dominated by Bridgestones. Michelin is suffereing from the new rule.
Oh well - Step up your game.

It seems to me that the I4 is making power in a way that may be killing the tires . Pictures of Rossi's front tyre show severe tyre damage. (or Rossi is just riding way over the limit to make up for the bike and the tyres)

Rossi is looking like his steak is nice and ready to be eaten.

 

[thephorest]

What horrible luck I have. This was the race I made my whole family sit down and watch. "Trust me, MotoGP is way more exciting than NASCAR...there are so many passes. It's great!"

And then this.

ZZZZZZzzzzzz

 

[kieran]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ThePhorest @ Aug 20 2007, 08:31 AM) [snapback]85726[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
What horrible luck I have. This was the race I made my whole family sit down and watch. "Trust me, MotoGP is way more exciting than NASCAR...there are so many passes. It's great!"

And then this.

ZZZZZZzzzzzz

 

[CSCVAW]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Aug 20 2007, 05:06 AM) [snapback]85665[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Hmm, that all Aussie podium didn't quite work out for you CSCVAW, remember our deal? I'd like to thank MigsAngel, or maybe you should thank MigsAngel yourself for your new name until Misano

What is it???...mate???

...well 2 out of 4 is not that bad!!!

1. STONER Casey AUS 246 25 11 25 25 16 13 25 25 20 11 25 25 = 7W
2. ROSSI Valentino 186
3. PEDROSA Dani 168
4. VERMEULEN Chris AUS 124

You know Casey could end up with 13 wins

...no wager on this mate...when he gets to 12 then i will

Ok fair enough, you win!!!

 

[mylexicon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ThePhorest @ Aug 19 2007, 10:31 PM) [snapback]85726[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
What horrible luck I have. This was the race I made my whole family sit down and watch. "Trust me, MotoGP is way more exciting than NASCAR...there are so many passes. It's great!"

And then this.

ZZZZZZzzzzzz

Yeah, this season is bull. I can't believe what the new rules have done. They were supposed to shift team strategy and design paradigms, all they have done is make lots of whining, endless hours of boring racing, and two completely undeserving championship companies (well at least I'm nuts about one of them......plus maybe Ducati isn't undeserving they did make huge improvements in the 990 era).

This change has been particularly rough on Rossi who is stuck at a team using technology from the dark ages. The I-4 I'm afraid is going to be a relic in prototype racing. Yamaha preferred it because you can wedge the entire package right behind the front wheel and move the seat back (to accomodate 5'10 Rossi) to balance the laden weight distribution. It was brilliant Rossi could hang way off the back during breaking and weight the handlebars heavily under acceleration to get traction. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that an I-4 can make as much power as a V-4 and TC means everyone can hook up mid corner, so the I-4 seems to be a clear disadvantage? Perhaps as the I-4 disappears so will Rossi? Can anyone think of a reason to continue using an I-4?