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On that note:
VR46 "doesn't agree" with Ducati on reducing factory MotoGP bikes in 2025
https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/n...ducing-factory-motogp-bikes-in-2025/10634384/
My first thought was: if they don't agree, then how will they make Ducati give them two GP25s? I can see in the article that VR46 will just have to accept it because they aren't a manufacturer.

If the other teams make inroads, then I'm sure that Ducati can move to having more of the latest spec bikes on the grid any year they want to.

I'm only very slightly wondering if this means that any manufacturer who would want to tempt VR46 away from Ducati now has a very minor carrot to dangle in front of them.
 
My first thought was: if they don't agree, then how will they make Ducati give them two GP25s? I can see in the article that VR46 will just have to accept it because they aren't a manufacturer.

If the other teams make inroads, then I'm sure that Ducati can move to having more of the latest spec bikes on the grid any year they want to.

I'm only very slightly wondering if this means that any manufacturer who would want to tempt VR46 away from Ducati now has a very minor carrot to dangle in front of them.
There was an article from some weeks ago about VR46 potentially aligning with BMW if they come in 2027; owing to Rossi’s relationship with them in his car racing career. I could see that happen.
 
Also, the decision to field three bikes might be due to the new regulations, and Audi's desire to cut costs ahead of the parallel spending on the current and future spec bikes.

Once 2027 comes around, they might field four again
 
Acosta big bet on KTM has failed. A talent like him should always seek for the best at the moment. KTM is not ready yet and will take a long way to be. KTM right now is much like Ducati at their first years. Lots of ego, ideologies, pride, and of course poor results. Acosta is not Stoner and 2024 is not 2007. There will never be anyone like Stoner. Racing guys should know this by now. Stoner is really, really a very special talent, someone incredible rare. No one is like him and no one can do what he did in the way he did. Acosta needs the top bike, as well as Marquez, and so every top notch rider.

Better Acosta find a escape route from KTM.
While I do not disagree with the sentiment that it is always best to look at the best option.
I have the bolded part as for me, is the issue that a top bike is needed, or that with all of today's bike designs being similar, with significant similarity in technology, electronices and aero, the gap between the elite and the less elite hidden by the technology. Essentially, the riders such as Marquez have their strength of 'freakishness' negated by technology which allows others to look better where in the era of Stoner, less technology meant the gap was more obvious.



Interesting in the philosophy differences from the two manufacturers. But for Yamaha they at least seem to have a solid baseline, whereas Honda have realised they don't.

I remember hearing after the Valencia test how the 2024 Honda was a big step forward, so much so that some speculated Marquez would go back to Honda for the 2025 season. I was not convinced and Marc himself subsequently said that when following the 2024 Honda at the Valencia tests, he saw the exact same problems.

You don't go from their situation to race winning in a season. It too Ducati what, 6 years and multiple concessions/burned out riders to get back to winning.

Agreed with both of you that Yamaha is better placed, due to their change in mindset and hiring the right people. I knew that they were beefing up the Italy base, which definitely is a step in the right direction whereas Honda only has a European test team (Bradl’s) and the engineers are still Tokyo based.

That said, I see merit in Oxley’s theory that Honda is building an all new bike, which is why the current one is seeing no updates.

The current RCV started out as a problem child and most likely hit its development ceiling pretty fast. The M1 in comparison seems to have a lot more development potential in its current avatar.
I do wonder if Honda's focus is not 2025 or 2026, but 2027 and at the moment they have a holding pattern and can get benefits by lack of results (ie. additional test days and concessions). Kind of, short term pain for long term gain.

No evidence and the suggestion itself is very left field for the history of HRC needing to be the best at all times, but we are living in some strange times indeed.
 
While I do not disagree with the sentiment that it is always best to look at the best option.
I have the bolded part as for me, is the issue that a top bike is needed, or that with all of today's bike designs being similar, with significant similarity in technology, electronices and aero, the gap between the elite and the less elite hidden by the technology. Essentially, the riders such as Marquez have their strength of 'freakishness' negated by technology which allows others to look better where in the era of Stoner, less technology meant the gap was more obvious.

Boy did that apply to Stoner. I'm fetching it from a very imperfect memory, but I think the quote from Rossi was something like 'Stoner won races on this?' when testing the Ducati for the first time.

Despite the domination, I suspect that Ducati wouldn't have won the 2007 championship without Stoner.

I'm not saying that Stoner was better than his contemporary aliens from that era, but I think he certainly included some unique skills for riding ... not wonderful ... bikes.
 
Stoner was better, though.

He jumped on two factory bikes, and won in his first season with both.

His teammate in Ducati could barely finish his races, while he won races and the championship.

One shy of 40 poles in a career where he had about four meaningful seasons, racing with Aliens...

Imagine him if he had a mental coach, and a doppelganger who could do the pr stuff...
 
On that note:
VR46 "doesn't agree" with Ducati on reducing factory MotoGP bikes in 2025
https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/n...ducing-factory-motogp-bikes-in-2025/10634384/
I'm sure if VR46 offered to pay the extra cost of a second GP25, Ducati may be willing to do so. They need to wind their next in imo.

Interesting, I'm not sure on the validity of this, but I read this in the comments section of motorsport.com

After the race of Assen, Oscar Haro (former LCR sporting director) said in a YouTube recap done with Nico Abad that Valentino Rossi didn't put a cent in the VR46 outfit, on the contrary, he was given btw 500-800k just to put the "name", it was Ezpeleta that put the cash for that team and used the envoirement of the VR46 to make it attractive. Also said that te relationship btw Ezpeleta and Rossi is getting worse, because Rossi doesn't show for the races (something that Ezpeleta would like), doesn't take any implications with the team, and didn't went with Yamaha (something that Ezpeleta asked to). Lastly, said that is possible that any moment, Ezpeleta could take away the team from the VR46 and give it to the MT Helmets racing team.

Also, the decision to field three bikes might be due to the new regulations, and Audi's desire to cut costs ahead of the parallel spending on the current and future spec bikes.

Once 2027 comes around, they might field four again
I think the Audi penny pinching is the main driver. They are gearing up to enter F1 with a full manufacturer team in 2026 don't forget.
 
Stoner was better, though.

He jumped on two factory bikes, and won in his first season with both.

His teammate in Ducati could barely finish his races, while he won races and the championship.

One shy of 40 poles in a career where he had about four meaningful seasons, racing with Aliens...

Imagine him if he had a mental coach, and a doppelganger who could do the pr stuff...

In 2007 when Stoner won the championship on the Ducati, Loris Capirossi scored four podiums, including one win. He did have 4 DNFs, while Stoner had one. But, there were riders with worse finishing records.

In 2008, Stoner challenged for the championship while Marco Melandri didn't score a single podium. However, Melandri did finish all races except two, the same number of races that Stoner finished. However, Melandri's results are quite bad, and there could be some crashes and remounts in there.

In 2009, Nicky Hayden finished all races except two, but only scored one podium while Casey Stoner had multiple wins from fewer starts.

In 2010, Nicky Hayden only scored one podium, and had three DNFs. But, overall was more consistent with a number of 4th place finishes.

In 2011 Stoner was gone to Honda, and Rossi and Hayden had one podium each - both 3rd places. Three DNFs for Rossi, and two for Hayden. Points-wise, nearly the same.

Stoner clearly had something special skill-wise that enabled him to ride those Ducatis better than other riders. But, I'm not sure it's fair to say that Stoner's team-mates could barely finish races. Maybe that might apply to Melandri, but I can't remember the reasons for his bad results.
 
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Stoner clearly had something special skill-wise that enabled him to ride those Ducatis better than other riders. But, I'm not sure it's fair to say that Stoner's team-mates could barely finish races. Maybe that might apply to Melandri, but I can't remember the reasons for his bad results.
You're right, of course. I was exaggerating about his teammates. A bit.

Reading his book, I got the notion that he and his family did too much on their own. No wonder he broke down.

If someone could have saved him, from himself, he would have made sure neither Rossi, nor Marquez, would have had the amount of titles they're sitting with.
 

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