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I read something interesting the other day. Unfortunately I lost the link. Ducati were claiming that six bikes including three current year bikes were enough for all the feedback/data that they needed and for reasons of less pressure on the team and for economical reasons, six bikes could be even better. While it could be that the amount of money available is less overall, if they are on a fixed budget and can move some of that money elsewhere, then it could even be a net plus to have fewer bikes - but still enough. I.e. Ducati could be strengthened by the change, as money and time resources could be directed to where it's more needed. I'm not saying that this is definitely the case, but I think it's worth discussing.
 
Very interesting interview with Maverick by Adam Wheeler over at Paddock Pass.

He is basically saying that the Aprilia was developed to a different riding style, i.e. Aleix's, and that he has needed to both adapt while developing. Sounds complicated. Or is it just the justification?

Also alludes that he took the decision to switch before Austin, and that glorious weekend in COTA.

He comes across as a very decent lad, fully immersed into family life, with a very, let's call it, sensitive approach to details. That transfers well onto his riding. He doesn't do rough and rowdy, he is smooth and detail oriented. So he'll need time to adapt.

And he, by the sound of it, doesn't get a big paycheck at Mattinghofen
 
AnnoyingTwit said:
I read something interesting the other day. Unfortunately I lost the link. Ducati were claiming that six bikes including three current year bikes were enough for all the feedback/data that they needed and for reasons of less pressure on the team and for economical reasons, six bikes could be even better. While it could be that the amount of money available is less overall, if they are on a fixed budget and can move some of that money elsewhere, then it could even be a net plus to have fewer bikes - but still enough. I.e. Ducati could be strengthened by the change, as money and time resources could be directed to where it's more needed. I'm not saying that this is definitely the case, but I think it's worth discussing.
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It was a Gigi interview posted in multiple places and it made sense.
The Gigicycle evolved pretty rapidly when they had 2 factory bikes in the Lenovo team and one factory bike at Pramac. So that sample size is probably more than enough for them. Ducati also reportedly has the most advanced tyre simulation software of all the manufacturers on the grid.

Whether the money they save will go to other areas within MotoGP or to Mx/ Audi; is another matter altogether.
 
Sennas_Caress said:
He is basically saying that the Aprilia was developed to a different riding style, i.e. Aleix's, and that he has needed to both adapt while developing. Sounds complicated. Or is it just the justification?
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Haven’t listened to this, but it makes sense.
Aleix is a more old school rider; ie hangs off the bike less and uses more edge grip on the tyre. Very different compared to the post M. Márquez era riders.
 
Sennas_Caress said:
Very interesting interview with Maverick by Adam Wheeler over at Paddock Pass.

He is basically saying that the Aprilia was developed to a different riding style, i.e. Aleix's, and that he has needed to both adapt while developing. Sounds complicated. Or is it just the justification?




And he, by the sound of it, doesn't get a big paycheck at Mattinghofen
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So now he has adapted to the bike, gets a decent paycheck. He wants to move for less money and an unknown bike? The KTM has never been regarded as a smooth bike, as Zarco found out to his peril.
 
#22 said:
So now he has adapted to the bike, gets a decent paycheck. He wants to move for less money and an unknown bike? The KTM has never been regarded as a smooth bike, as Zarco found out to his peril.
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He hasn't said that he has adapted fully. Just that he has also been able to influenced the development. Listening between the lines, it sounds like he wanted more.

He also said that the package doesn't give him the opportunities to be competitive on all tracks.

In fairness to him, he doesn't have many years left to try to win the world championship, so why not roll the dice if you don't have the trust in the project you are part of?
 
Pramac Yamaha say that they have three riders on their list of potential riders.

Jack Miller, Miguel Olivera, and Fabio Giannantonio.

They say that Pramac and Yamaha will choose the riders together. Morbidelli doesn't appear to be on their list, and the article says that he's unlikely to go back to Yamaha.

www.crash.net

Three-rider shortlist named by Pramac Yamaha boss for 2025

“For the project we are embarking on, we need experienced riders"
www.crash.net www.crash.net

IMHO, it's a reasonable list. I hope next year's Yamaha can get them into the top 10 regularly.
 
AnnoyingTwit said:
Pramac Yamaha say that they have three riders on their list of potential riders.

Jack Miller, Miguel Olivera, and Fabio Giannantonio.

They say that Pramac and Yamaha will choose the riders together. Morbidelli doesn't appear to be on their list, and the article says that he's unlikely to go back to Yamaha.
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The three riders mentioned in that article was basically a verbatim quote from the interview Suzie did with Campinoti on the grid before the last GP.
 
AnnoyingTwit said:
Pramac Yamaha say that they have three riders on their list of potential riders.

Jack Miller, Miguel Olivera, and Fabio Giannantonio.

They say that Pramac and Yamaha will choose the riders together. Morbidelli doesn't appear to be on their list, and the article says that he's unlikely to go back to Yamaha.
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Fabio G. would be the best choice in my opinion, although I'd like to see him stay on a Ducati, I think Miller and Oliviera are well past their best before date.
 
mikesbytes said:
Hard to read into that conversation, but if one does it sounds like Roberts is the third choice but is also likely to get a seat as Olivera is looking to jump ship
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Passports will play a prt in some decisions going forward I suspect.

And I do not just mean European passports but having a US name around the traps will be looked at favourably from a business sense for DORNA and the business of MGP.

Likewise, I fear that passport will be the only thing that save Jack for 2025 and possibly 2026 as the risk of no Aussie may be considered with decisions there as well.

Remembering that DORNA have been rumoured to assist keeping nationality representation in the past and are said to be concious of the european centricity of the championships within it's control so the need to seem a true 'world' championship sometimes makes decisions before logic.
 
Gaz said:
Passports will play a prt in some decisions going forward I suspect.

And I do not just mean European passports but having a US name around the traps will be looked at favourably from a business sense for DORNA and the business of MGP.

Likewise, I fear that passport will be the only thing that save Jack for 2025 and possibly 2026 as the risk of no Aussie may be considered with decisions there as well.

Remembering that DORNA have been rumoured to assist keeping nationality representation in the past and are said to be concious of the european centricity of the championships within it's control so the need to seem a true 'world' championship sometimes makes decisions before logic.
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Yeh understood that Dorna want a US rider as good for business

In regards with Miller, there’s a small possibility of Gardner getting a Pramac ride if he impresses Yamaha management this weekend and therefore no need to retain Miller
 
mikesbytes said:
Yeh understood that Dorna want a US rider as good for business

In regards with Miller, there’s a small possibility of Gardner getting a Pramac ride if he impresses Yamaha management this weekend and therefore no need to retain Miller
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As a conspiracy theorist, I do find the timing of the Gardner ride interesting with Jack's options disappearing at a fast rate of knots, but my logical mind also recognises that Gardner was an easy option already contracted to Yamaha in some way and who was available.

I will be honest and open, in saying that I do not think that Jack has received the full support of his team for a number of years (and team here is the top, not the technician level) and that Gardner never really got it from Pit Bierer (he did also shoot his mouth off to much which impacted - but then, let us look at KTM and, yeah well). In saying this, Jack has had his time and if it were to end this year he still has more GP wins than many riders who were in the game as long or longer so he can leave well happy with what he achieved.
 
KTM just lost their head of MotoGP technical development, the former right hand man of Gigi they poached two years ago.

There’s a lot that’s not right at KTM in terms of talent management, to say the least.
 

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