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I did read that post and I am fully familiar with the events of the past mentioned therein, but the point of contention is not whether Marquez deserves the seat (He arguably does) or whether Yamaha has a youth over experience policy (They didn’t and never claimed to have one); but whether Ducati has changed their rider pipeline strategy compared to the past- which they have.

Racing is at the end of the day a business and Ducati has invested in the 3 talents in question; and the return on investment will now go to the competition. Which is the point Rossi was making, and the same point several others made after the recent events. Rossi obviously has a bias and will side with his academy riders in this instance, but that doesn’t completely invalidate the point.

An argument can be made that Ducati projects a higher RoI with Marquez, which would be fair. As I said, time will be the judge of that.
To be clear, Valentino’s imo frankly delusional view of MM and the events of 2015, and inability to let go nigh on 10 years after having the 2015 title “stolen” (reminds me of someone else come to think of it) again imo pretty much invalidates anything he says about MM, and rather than backing his own riders who haven’t been in any way disregarded by Ducati as I said, I see this differently than you and as yet another petty minded shot at MM, of a pattern with similar digs he continues to make given the most casual of opportunities. When is the last time MM felt the need to mention Valentino Rossi ?.

Whatever Ducati’s rider recruitment policy is, and to me it would seem to be whatever Gigi decides it is at at any given point in time, I am not aware of them committing in blood to only having young riders they have developed themselves forever, and as above don’t see how any of Valentino’s riders have been disregarded. Ducati have signed one rider, the status of whom only one other rider on the current grid can match even given 4 seasons including this one to do so, rather than abandoning any youth policy they might have in general in any case, they already have Aldeguer in the pipeline and have made the VR46 team their main satellite team apparently significantly because of the pipeline to the VR 46 academy. Whatever Yamaha’s policy was, and I would regard it as having been somewhat fluid as Gigi’s is, Valentino objected to them signing a young prospect in Jorge Lorenzo whom they had absolutely correctly rated very highly, and had no trouble occupying a factory Yamaha seat himself when well past his best as I also said. Hence I still see hypocrisy in him criticising Ducati for signing MM with the implication it is partly political/based on his status in the sport and past achievements, particularly given that MM took a leap into the kdark in going to Gresini, and that Gigi /Ducati had rather comprehensive data on the basis of which to evaluate his performance vs other Ducati riders.

In addition, some of the “more neutral” parties as you put it who have criticised MM’s signing are also clearly influenced by VR’s narrative about 2015, the Pramac guy/Campinoti for one, who straight out said there was widespread dislike of MM among those associated with Ducati because of the events of 2015. I wonder why MM didn’t want to sign with Pramac ?. I reject that narrative about 2015 as I have made rather clear and it does indeed trigger me, or again as you put it “get my hormones pumping” when it is brought up yet again, as Crash did in the article in which Valentino was quoted.

To what degree MM will justify being signed to the factory seat I agree is uncertain, even I as a fan am not sure how much he retains of the ability he had at his peak, or how much of that ability he can employ if he does still have it on a bike fairly specifically designed to negate that ability. As far as the riders they have “lost”, I rightly or wrongly don’t see Martin as quite having all time great potential, and they have obviously kept one rider who fairly clearly does have such potential in Bagnaia. If they have let another such rider go it is more likely to be Bastianini than Martin imo, but circumstances particularly injuries and perhaps a Ducati which didn’t suit him in the GP23 have conspired against him.

As an aside, I had my own theory about Jorge Lorenzo being signed and VR leaving Yamaha back in the day, and you are I am sure better informed than I was. I always wondered whether Valentino more or less told Yamaha he was leaving to go car racing, then changed his mind and decided to pursue the magical 8th/10th title. I recall some statements from VR which suggested this, such as a remaining ambition being to beat Casey Stoner 2 times out of 3.
 
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I wish they would stop posting his whining. He is retired, move on.

So ....... tired of lazy, so called journalists repeating every inane thing that Rossi pulls out of his .... I can just hear them gearing up for a long season of title-tattle gossip and rumor mongering, all for purposes of increasing traffic on Crashnet etc. with an end to charging higher prices to their advertisers.

Oh . . . and Rossi is a whiny little ......

General comment only here, not aimed at you guys or anyone else responding along similar lines but.........................

I do find it so funny, that in a number of places (not here as this place has always been quite fair-minded where VR is concerned) people are taking this as gospel and really latching on to the comments from Rossi.

Many of these same people are critical of comments from other retired riders (ie. all times Stoner or Lorenzo speak or respond) but cannot see the irony or double-standard that a retired rider here speaks acceptably, but others are told to 'shut up and get back to their retirement' when responding to questions.

But then, this is/was a Crash article and no doubt their turnover has dropped since Rossi's retirement as they were always a serious pro-Rossi tabloid.


Also a sideline on the Martin vs Marquez thing.

Saw a video recently (will see if I can find it) where it was a 20 questions type with another current rider (seriously cannot recall who - may have been a Moto2 rider) and he was effectively asked for one word responses for his thoughts on MotoGP riders. Most of his responses were 'pleasant' but interestingly for Martin, without a delay he responded with 'arrogant' and gave a bit of a knowing smirk. It may well have been a piss take and a joke but it is not the first time that the word arrogant has been used in a sentence along with Martin and perhaps, just perhaps as KTM did with Remy Gardner, a decision on rider fit into a garage was made (as it should be - garage needs to be a good environment).

Will try to find the vid and post the link
 
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Whatever Ducati’s rider recruitment policy is, and to me it would seem to be whatever Gigi decides it is at at any given point in time
Firstly , I do appreciate the detailed post you made and I’m happy we can have a civil discourse from opposing sides of the isle.

Just wanted to point out that although Gigi has a ton of pull in what happens at Ducati Corse, rider and team relationships are managed by the sporting director, as per their own admission- Except for the times when even they are vetoed by someone even higher up, as was the case with Lorenzo/ Domenicali.

Gigi did have a lot of say in Marquez joining the Lenovo team, but it would have been Grasilli’s job to ensure a smooth landing for the other candidates, and he dropped the ball on that IMO.
 
To be honest, I don't find it special that a rider doesn't want to have a talented teammate (Lorenzo), and when the table is turned wants to have it easier for his friends.

I'd find it odd, if it was the other way round.

As for betrayal, I do believe that some is lost in translation. Betrayal, animosity, has a shorter route in Latin Italy than further north. In football, the amount of heated rivalry Italians can maintain is staggering.
 
General comment only here, not aimed at you guys or anyone else responding along similar lines but.........................

I do find it so funny, that in a number of places (not here as this place has always been quite fair-minded where VR is concerned) people are taking this as gospel and really latching on to the comments from Rossi.

Many of these same people are critical of comments from other retired riders (ie. all times Stoner or Lorenzo speak or respond) but cannot see the irony or double-standard that a retired rider here speaks acceptably, but others are told to 'shut up and get back to their retirement' when responding to questions.

But then, this is/was a Crash article and no doubt their turnover has dropped since Rossi's retirement as they were always a serious pro-Rossi tabloid.


Also a sideline on the Martin vs Marquez thing.

Saw a video recently (will see if I can find it) where it was a 20 questions type with another current rider (seriously cannot recall who - may have been a Moto2 rider) and he was effectively asked for one word responses for his thoughts on MotoGP riders. Most of his responses were 'pleasant' but interestingly for Martin, without a delay he responded with 'arrogant' and gave a bit of a knowing smirk. It may well have been a piss take and a joke but it is not the first time that the word arrogant has been used in a sentence along with Martin and perhaps, just perhaps as KTM did with Remy Gardner, a decision on rider fit into a garage was made (as it should be - garage needs to be a good environment).

Will try to find the vid and post the link
To be fair I think Martin is really good, and I don't have anything against him as a rider other than considering him at the time Ducati made their decision to be likely not quite as good as Bagnaia or even then current MM, both of whom probably had considerable advantages over him in terms of connections and support on their way up in the sport. I could see parallels with Casey Stoner, he is not from a family with particular wealth or a history in the sport and has gotten where he is by talent and performances.

I don't think Ducati like ultimatums though, rightly or wrongly, and as others have commented on here previously while indeed he could hardly have done more he perhaps put himself in a position where he needed to actually win the title to have irrefutable claims to the factory seat. Just now I would take Bastianini over him, who might indeed also be faster than current MM, and who certainly looks to be able to preserve tyres or ride old tyres as well as anyone in the field, important skills particularly with the current tyres and skills which were a significant contributor to MM's past success.

To your point about Valentino's comments this is what also irks me, and not so much on MM's part who can more than look after himself and has a similar unchallengeable stature in the sport to Valentino. I should apologise to Synn for my personal idiosyncratic view on the matter, I value and enjoy his posts. What I really blame Valentino for as a much bigger fan of Casey Stoner and Jorge Lorenzo than I am of MM is for imo blighting the careers of those riders, by means of his off track stuff, particularly Jorge, a great rider and a fair one in his motogp career at least again imo, who ended his career with a whimper having been pretty much ejected from Yamaha for the sin of beating Valentino to win the 2015 title, when every other rider who has won 3 titles on a Yamaha is venerated as an all time great.
 
VR46 (the team) receives top satellite status and the first thing the team's boss does is to badmouth the hiring policy of the company that is providing you with competitive bikes. What an attitude to have, but to be expected from the guy who is an ambassador of a competing manufacturer.
 
Firstly , I do appreciate the detailed post you made and I’m happy we can have a civil discourse from opposing sides of the isle.

Just wanted to point out that although Gigi has a ton of pull in what happens at Ducati Corse, rider and team relationships are managed by the sporting director, as per their own admission- Except for the times when even they are vetoed by someone even higher up, as was the case with Lorenzo/ Domenicali.

Gigi did have a lot of say in Marquez joining the Lenovo team, but it would have been Grasilli’s job to ensure a smooth landing for the other candidates, and he dropped the ball on that IMO.
I appreciate this post as I do nearly all your posts, and will cop to being over the top in a couple of my recent posts, which were pretty much old man rants as someone said. I have a personal view which I don’t expect you to agree with, and it would seem you don’t expect me to agree with your view either, so we don’t really have any problem which is as it should be.
 
The Silly Season strikes back if Crash's claims of Miller to Pramac Yamaha are true.

It's appears that I have effed up. It wasn't Crash claiming that, it was Motorcycle News.


And, it appears that no-one else is claiming this. And it's not officially announced but 'reported'. Sorry everyone.
 
Rossi.
Ducatistis were cheering to Marc and welcoming him over World Ducati Week. Seeing it must have hurt Rossi bad. And what if Marc really can win a title with Ducati, something he couldn't do? Poor little Rossi, his own bitchy soul is torturing him no end. Karma ...
 
It's appears that I have effed up. It wasn't Crash claiming that, it was Motorcycle News.


And, it appears that no-one else is claiming this. And it's not officially announced but 'reported'. Sorry everyone.
There was some chatter that Carmelo brokered some talks because they didn’t want the Australian passport to disappear from the grid. I wouldn’t rule this possibility out completely yet.
 
There was some chatter that Carmelo brokered some talks because they didn’t want the Australian passport to disappear from the grid. I wouldn’t rule this possibility out completely yet.
Yes. I am not ruling it out either. But, the level of evidence certainly didn't justify my post. Let alone me mistakenly attributing it to Crash.
 
Rossi.
Ducatistis were cheering to Marc and welcoming him over World Ducati Week. Seeing it must have hurt Rossi bad. And what if Marc really can win a title with Ducati, something he couldn't do? Poor little Rossi, his own bitchy soul is torturing him no end. Karma ...
MM has already bested Rossi's record for points on a Ducati. Yeah . . . sure it's not the same bike, I know. To me it doesn't matter if MM wins a 9th or 10th championship. He's just a measurably better rider in every way.
 
It's appears that I have effed up. It wasn't Crash claiming that, it was Motorcycle News.


And, it appears that no-one else is claiming this. And it's not officially announced but 'reported'. Sorry everyone.
Jesus ..... Jack is like herpes. He never goes away.
 
I appreciate this post as I do nearly all your posts, and will cop to being over the top in a couple of my recent posts, which were pretty much old man rants as someone said. I have a personal view which I don’t expect you to agree with, and it would seem you don’t expect me to agree with your view either, so we don’t really have any problem which is as it should be.

You were not over the top at all imo.
Rossi's actions are ridiculous and motivated by spite.
Sure great rider but an absolute narcissist. It got tiresome a long time ago.
 
There was some chatter that Carmelo brokered some talks because they didn’t want the Australian passport to disappear from the grid. I wouldn’t rule this possibility out completely yet.
Have said a few times but to me, the Aussie passport will save Jack as having that passport in the top class is somewhat 'required' in terms of publicising Phillip Island as well as smoke-screening the fact that the championship is extremely Euro-centric.

There are a couple of Aussies in the lower classes but time will tell if they can supplant Jack although if the reports are true, 1 year and an option (does not report who's way) will pretty much see Jack done and should give some time for other nationalities (if not Aussie) to identify an opportunity.

Jesus ..... Jack is like herpes. He never goes away.
There is cream for that.

Besides, I would have thought that you would not want Jack to go-away given his SWMBO.

And just like his career will seem over at the end of 2026, he'll sign a 2 year deal with BMW as a new MotoGP entry. Gotta ride 'em all.
Talk is Toprak.

Suggestion has been that BMW threw their entry to MotoGP at Toprak as a means to encourage that he stay firm for another year or so, then enter with them but that is a risky approach in terms of career (IMO) if BMW do not work out.
 
The Silly Season strikes back if Crash's claims of Miller to Pramac Yamaha are true.
As others have pointed out it appears to of been regurgitated news that one place based on Jack and his manager visiting Pramac. Miller did a fair bit of development for Ducati while at Pramac so maybe he’s wanted for development
 

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