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Speedcafe is not the greatest site in terms of accuracy as it generally gets the information from other articles, but I saw this article and have not seen reported elsewhere but I also found it very interesting.

https://speedcafe.com/motogp-news-j...ZZtpsEWEt_CLpUA3Rw_aem_0fHZl_JSddiD1GipcvFWRQ
No doubt, as the owner of Phillip Islnad Fox has a vested interest in Aussies in the top flight but man, I just found this very interesting and from left field somewhat.

That said, it would be great to see Aussie investment in large dollar terms in MotoGP
 
Gaz said:
Speedcafe is not the greatest site in terms of accuracy as it generally gets the information from other articles, but I saw this article and have not seen reported elsewhere but I also found it very interesting.

https://speedcafe.com/motogp-news-j...ZZtpsEWEt_CLpUA3Rw_aem_0fHZl_JSddiD1GipcvFWRQ
No doubt, as the owner of Phillip Islnad Fox has a vested interest in Aussies in the top flight but man, I just found this very interesting and from left field somewhat.

That said, it would be great to see Aussie investment in large dollar terms in MotoGP
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Interesting. He is definitely a guy with large dollars. I presume he is a motorsports fan, buying and financing a MotoGP team I presume wouldn’t be worth his while in terms of revenues from the PI motoGP race.
 
michaelm said:
Interesting. He is definitely a guy with large dollars. I presume he is a motorsports fan, buying and financing a MotoGP team I presume wouldn’t be worth his while in terms of revenues from the PI motoGP race.
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Not sure about motorsports interests as such, but he does have a car collection and reports have him recently taking delivery of an AMG One (5 millions bucks).

I believe he is the main benefactor of Melbourne Car Museum | Fox Classic Car Collection which has some awesome vehicles
 
synn said:
I think he will do some great things on the Aprilia too.

The only concern I have is that according to Simon Crafar, Martin isn’t a very descriptive rider when it comes to feedback. He’s more of a “Feel” guy than someone like Marini or Dovizioso who give their crews a clear direction.

That works fine in a factory with 8 bikes and plenty of data, but could be a challenge at Aprilia. Happy to be proven wrong, though.
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I’m sure he will get his point across. How else has he gotten to where he is? The rider still matters a lot.

mikesbytes said:
Yeh a new rider needs 2 years to show their potential
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A new rider needs to show his potential to the team in two months.

Sennas_Caress said:
To be honest, I don't find it special that a rider doesn't want to have a talented teammate (Lorenzo), and when the table is turned wants to have it easier for his friends.

I'd find it odd, if it was the other way round.

As for betrayal, I do believe that some is lost in translation. Betrayal, animosity, has a shorter route in Latin Italy than further north. In football, the amount of heated rivalry Italians can maintain is staggering.
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The best will betray no hesitation in accepting the most qualified teammate.
 
Gaz said:
Not sure about motorsports interests as such, but he does have a car collection and reports have him recently taking delivery of an AMG One (5 millions bucks).

I believe he is the main benefactor of Melbourne Car Museum | Fox Classic Car Collection which has some awesome vehicles
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So he is a petrol head at least, a soon to be outmoded term though that may be.
 
MdubSTYLIE said:
Jack is the motogp equivalent of the Aussie chick who competed in break dancing at the Olympics. Everyone is wondering what the .... she was doing there.
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I was mainly wondering what breakdancing was doing being in the Olympics.

On the other hand the Aussie chick who contested the BMX event did look like she knew what she was doing, to my untutored eye at least.
 
MdubSTYLIE said:
Jack is the motogp equivalent of the Aussie chick who competed in break dancing at the Olympics. Everyone is wondering what the .... she was doing there.
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“…and this is how I ended up with 0 points in the wheelie contest”.
 
Sennas_Caress said:
Maybe the Ezpeleta's final big pay cheque before they depart?
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He’s not departing, the shares owned by Bridgepoint will be transferred to Liberty is the regulators approve it. No change in daily operations.

Also, this seems like a tactic to convince one of the two Ducati teams to part ways with the Bologna manufacturer and provide BMW with a soft entrance similar to the Aprilia- Gresini partnership.
 
Sennas_Caress said:
In team sports, no doubt.

Can't remember the last time a World Champion rider wanted to have the potentially best available rider as a teammate.
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There are riders who didn’t care, I would put forward Casey Stoner as one, who didn’t care about other riders having his data either. I guess he was mainly competing against the track and the potential of his bike rather than fellow riders though..

It was hard to follow the golden age 500 riders in much depth in Australia back then, but I think several of them wouldn’t have cared overly about who their team mate was either, although Mick Doohan for one very definitely cared about other Honda riders getting his data including settings.
 
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michaelm said:
I was mainly wondering what breakdancing was doing being in the Olympics.

On the other hand the Aussie chick who contested the BMX event did look like she knew what she was doing, to my untutored eye at least.
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I was very happy for Saya. She deserved it. She has been close to the front for a few years now and hit her stride at the right moment. Her brother was looking to be a potential champion too before a very bad head injury ended his career. She was my favorite going into the games. I am so happy for her and her family.
 
michaelm said:
Interesting. He is definitely a guy with large dollars. I presume he is a motorsports fan, buying and financing a MotoGP team I presume wouldn’t be worth his while in terms of revenues from the PI motoGP race.
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For guys with that kind of $ it doesn't have to be about profits. They buy sports teams like other middle-aged guys buy Corvettes. All about power, influence, ego and need to feel relevant. Same reason Murdoch spends billions on salaries to clowns and buffoons peddling right-wing ........ on ...... Fox News to influence presidential races.
 
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MdubSTYLIE said:
Jack is the motogp equivalent of the Aussie chick who competed in break dancing at the Olympics. Everyone is wondering what the .... she was doing there.
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Kinda but not quite.

We have a strong motorsports culture, and very strong motorbike culture.

But we have NFI what this farken breaking is.

To us, breaking is what waves do nearer shores. Breaking is what happens to the beer glass when we get to drunk and drop it. Breaking is also what bones do when ....... Toymota Corolla drivers decide to use you as their brake. :p

I mean, that effort, well what I have seen looks like the mating dance performed by a drunken Shazza at the B&S ball when she spotted Davo near his ute.
 
michaelm said:
I was mainly wondering what breakdancing was doing being in the Olympics.

On the other hand the Aussie chick who contested the BMX event did look like she knew what she was doing, to my untutored eye at least.
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MdubSTYLIE said:
I was very happy for Saya. She deserved it. She has been close to the front for a few years now and hit her stride at the right moment. Her brother was looking to be a potential champion too before a very bad head injury ended his career. She was my favorite going into the games. I am so happy for her and her family.
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Big ditto on the Saya story given what her family has been through following on from Kai's accident. From my side, it was a kind of 'feel good' story for the Aussies, much like the Fox sisters effors (and loved the line 'dad is the only one now without an Olympic medal' to throw the burn).
 
Sennas_Caress said:
Agree with the above.

Having had a big part in building up Pecco's career, and Bezzecchi's, I'm not sure that Valentino's interview is to be frowned upon.

He is in his rider's corner. Just as a rider's manager, he is creating the best possible conditions for his team.
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So, he is ok to be in his riders corner (like when he got an underwhelming Morbidelli onto a factory Ducati for this yr), but when Ducati act in their best interests, that's a crime?
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By putting pressure on Ducati, indirectly on Marquez, he is playing a long game. Fail in 2025, and even more pressure is being put on Ducati Corse to get one of the VR46 lads onboard the factory team, and potentially ending Marquez's chance of a champions in the same breath, of course.
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If that is his plan, he's playing it very poorly imo.

What is the guarantee that any of his academy riders will be considered by Ducati? Let along pressuring Marquez to do so?

Bezzechi turned down the Pramac ride last yr, irritating Ducati top brass. He has then wildly underperformed this yr and scurried off to another manufacturer. I don;t think Ducati see him as a championship calibre rider at all now. Bagnaia I cannot see leaving Ducati until Marquez dominates his so much that it causes a relation ship break down. They then have Aldeguer on the books and likely an option for taking Martin back.



mikesbytes said:
Bottom line 3 riders can't have the same spot, it didn't matter what decision Ducati made it was going to wrong 2 riders. For Martin to win on the Aprilia the bike is going to have to be a lot more consistent than this year, ditto for Bastainini on the KTM perhaps more so for Bastainini as he is in a satellite team.

What's left to sign?
VR46 - we are assuming Morbidelli
Gresini - already taken if VR46 signs Morbidelli
Pramac - has Oliveria actually signed? 2nd bike is a question, probably a Moto2 rider
Trackhouse - Raul has signed? who for Oliveria's bike?
LCR - who to take Naka's bike?
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My take:

VR46 - Morbidelli
Gresini - Aldeguer
Pramac - Oliveira and Arbolino or Miller
Trackhouse - Ai Ogura
LCR Taka most likely.
 
Sennas_Caress said:
In team sports, no doubt.

Can't remember the last time a World Champion rider wanted to have the potentially best available rider as a teammate.
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Would have to agree with MichaelM in that Stoner would be the last I can recall where it was an open 'secret' that anyone could have access to CS' data which was backed up by a few confirmations from teams around the time.

Outside of that, some have vigorously protected their data which I do understand in a competitive world, just not sure from a team perspective how this would sit.
 

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