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michaelm said:
Sure, I didn’t think he was last week either. Just saying after dismissing his comment last week as misfit said it does keep happening.
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Yep, there we go again. What a shocking accident which soooo fortunately, left no one seriously injured. Again, Zarco involved. There is something about him I'm now prepared to seriously argue. If you watch F1, Zarco reminds me of Romain Grosjean's racing a few years ago. They both mean well, but there's a blind spot somewhere that creates danger when they race. Morbidelli thought what lead to the incident was very dangerous racing on Zarco's part and of course, Zarco from his POV didn't intend anything and therefore, couldn't appreciate the danger. For some reason, he doesn't have that awareness in racing conditions. In his first season, he had a run of incidents that had me thinking him way too aggressive, but I'm beginning to think there's a blind spot of sorts and a dangerous one.

For me, Mir was the star of the race. I so wanted him to get the second spot and cheered all on my own just now watching him take second on the penultimate corner. OTOH, I felt the opposite about Pol. I think he's way too impatient on the KTM. He makes too many mistakes under braking and he does seem to have a blind spot when rejoining after out-braking himself. Perhaps he goes into corners too hot, so often that getting back on the race line is a bit of a routine for him. Furthermore, he has so often gotten away with rejoining without having to slow and look before doing so. Unfortunately, his routine has ended in tears two races in a row.

Go Dovi.... you show them. A well controlled race.

Got to hand it to Jack.... Hats off to getting the bike on the podium on full softs. I was expecting a lot worse drop off based on his past tyre management issues.

Amazing for Binder to bring the KTM home in fourth from 17th despite all his handling issues this weekend. He is certainly very promising.

I have to say that Rossi, despite his age, is earning his continued place on the grid since his staying there does add to his legacy in a positive way. He certainly has tenacity.

Tough break for Rins. He seemed to be in race winning form.
 
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Yeah great to see Dovi win after his recent dealings with Ducati.

Would love to see him win the championship and still tell Ducati to get stuffed [emoji16]
 
Keshav said:
Shaping up to be an exceptional season. Horrible crash aside, it was a great race. Had a feeling Dovi would dependably win again. Wondering what options (if any) he has for 21. He's done a great job of out-riding the Ducati's handling limitations, but it's got to be extra challenging for a guy his age. Would love to see what he could do on the KTM.

Miller did a great job. Originally assumed the soft front was a bad choice but apparently he'd used up his allocation of mediums. I really got a better feel for what he's like in the interview. He's growing on me.

For me the star of the race was Mir. Totally jumped out of my seat to cheer when he made that pass. Good stuff! And that . . . from a 17th(I think) place on the grid.

Binder really has the ..... Will be keeping an eye on him.

Yamahas - who knows?

Greatly admire Marquez . . . but honestly, the racing has been better without him.

Crutchlow's looking like The Ancient Mariner.
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As has been said, he might win the whole thing as a parting gesture.

All of this is nothing new for Ducati. Surely embarrassing that the guy who has won 15 races (thus far) for them is going to follow the guy who won 23 for them out the door, as well as another multiple race winner for them in Lorenzo. Even Bayliss had no time at all for the premier class operation and brought his WSBK crew with him for his one off win. I don’t know what their relationship with Loris Capirossi is but he doesn’t seem to have much association with them in his retirement either.
 
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michaelm said:
As has been said, he might win the whole thing as a parting gesture.

All of this is nothing new for Ducati. Surely embarrassing that the guy who has won 15 races (thus far) for them is going to follow the guy who won 26 for them out the door, as well as another multiple race winner for them in Lorenzo. Even Bayliss had no time at all for the premier class operation and brought his WSBK crew with him for his one off win. I don’t know what their relationship with Loris Capirossi is but he doesn’t seem to have much association with them in his retirement either.
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Yep, their rider relations and people management skills appear sadly lacking.
As you point out, they have an established history of same.
 
misfit said:
Yep, there we go again. What a shocking accident which soooo fortunately, left no one seriously injured. Again, Zarco involved. There is something about him I'm now prepared to seriously argue. If you watch F1, Zarco reminds me of Romain Grosjean's racing a few years ago. They both mean well, but there's a blind spot somewhere that creates danger when they race. Morbidelli thought what lead to the incident was very dangerous racing on Zarco's part and of course, Zarco from his POV didn't intend anything and therefore, couldn't appreciate the danger. For some reason, he doesn't have that awareness in racing conditions. In his first season, he had a run of incidents that had me thinking him way too aggressive, but I'm beginning to think there's a blind spot of sorts and a dangerous one.

For me, Mir was the star of the race. I so wanted him to get the second spot and cheered all on my own just now watching him take second on the penultimate corner. OTOH, I felt the opposite about Pol. I think he's way too impatient on the KTM. He makes too many mistakes under braking and he does seem to have a blind spot when rejoining after out-braking himself. Perhaps he goes into corners too hot, so often that getting back on the race line is a bit of a routine for him. Furthermore, he has so often gotten away with rejoining without having to slow and look before doing so. Unfortunately, his routine has ended in tears two races in a row.

Go Dovi.... you show them. A well controlled race.

Got to hand it to Jack.... Hats off to getting the bike on the podium on full softs. I was expecting a lot worse drop off based on his past tyre management issues.

Amazing for Binder to bring the KTM home in fourth from 17th despite all his handling issues this weekend. He is certainly very promising.

I have to say that Rossi, despite his age, is earning his continued place on the grid since his staying there does add to his legacy in a positive way. He certainly has tenacity.

Tough break for Rins. He seemed to be in race winning form.
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Yes, have to hand it to Rossi after that incident. I would have gone straight home and not left my room for a year.
 
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michaelm said:
Yes, have to Hand it to Rossi after that incident. I would have gone straight home and not left my room for a year.
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I reckon it's about the law of averages with these guys. You see another rider in the race before you get horribly injured or killed and figure, what're the odds of it happening to me? Rins got away with losing the front end and seemed to think that exact same turn couldn't bite him in the ... one lap later. Rossi must have thought Lady Luck had smiled on him when he saw the replay and figured, what could possibly happen after that? And besides, there's peer pressure. If everyone but him went out, he'd look like a ...... Not saying I concur with the sentiment, but it would definitely occur to him.
 
michaelm said:
Yes, have to Hand it to Rossi after that incident. I would have gone straight home and not left my room for a year.
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Yeah after so long racing and all of the achievements, I could definitely understand him doing that.
A scare like that could easily make you think "do I really need to risk so much anymore".

They are made of strong stuff that is for sure [emoji41]
 
p4p1 said:
Rossi being a .... again over the Zarco stuff.
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He has all right to be upset and critical. He was almost killed and it involved his protege Morbidelli.

Was Morbidelli being a .... with his comment on the incident??? Hmmm?
 
misfit said:
He has all right to be upset and critical. He was almost killed and it involved his protege Morbidelli.

Was Morbidelli being a .... with his comment on the incident??? Hmmm?
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Rossi can say whatever he likes about this incident given his involvement and that of his protege Morbidelli, the latter probably the best informed person there is.
(EDIT Rossi also questioned the safety of the corner as Simon Crafar did in the race telecast, and as Casey Stoner apparently did in 2016 as was previously posted. I have come to your point of view, although not intentionally reckless I am sure, Zarco has just been involved in too many of these incidents and his judgement/racecraft does come into question, as does Pol's for that matter for making the same error 2 weeks in a row. I do think MM is not as reckless as he was in regard to the safety of other riders if not his own safety, and I do think Rossi's attack on him a couple of years ago was unjustified).
 
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misfit said:
He has all right to be upset and critical. He was almost killed and it involved his protege Morbidelli.

Was Morbidelli being a .... with his comment on the incident??? Hmmm?
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Would you say that Zarco made a dangerous move? Take the speed out of it... Is the situation any different to Argentina 2015 when the rider in front took a line that the rider behind wasn't expecting? I thought it was the riders behind responsibility? Or does that only count if Rossi is in front and he or one of his protoge is behind?
 
p4p1 said:
Would you say that Zarco made a dangerous move? Take the speed out of it... Is the situation any different to Argentina 2015 when the rider in front took a line that the rider behind wasn't expecting? I thought it was the riders behind responsibility? Or does that only count if Rossi is in front and he or one of his protoge is behind?
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MM I am led to believe considered the Argentina 2015 thing deliberate on Rossi’s part. It was imo poorly judged to contest that position when Rossi was clearly faster and had rapidly caught up several seconds, but as you say the reverse doesn’t seem to apply, cf the similar circumstance a couple of years ago when Rossi called MM a danger to humanity.

Bottom line Imo is that while that corner might be OK for F1 cars bikes are different.
 
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michaelm said:
MM I am led to believe considered the Argentina 2015 thing deliberate on Rossi’s part. It was imo poorly judged to contest that position when Rossi was clearly faster and had rapidly caught up several seconds, but as you say the reverse doesn’t seem to apply, cf the similar circumstance a couple of years ago when Rossi called MM a danger to humanity.

Bottom line Imo is that while that corner might be OK for F1 cars bikes are different.
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I remember Marquez had thought that and watching it live I had a similar feeling. But Marquez being there was one of the misjudgements he made in 2015. With the rate Rossi was catching him, if he hadn't slowed down Rossi maybe only would have just caught him. But Rossi is and always has been ruthless, he is not in a position to judge other or condemn others for dangerous moves.

The way I see it and the way it has always been judged is that unless there is a brake check (something else Rossi has been guilty of in the past) then it is the rider behind who is responsible. That doesn't mean I personally believe Franco is to blame, it's a racing incident but Zarco overtook him as he is allowed to do, ran wide and the Franco slammed into the back of his bike. If a penalty is to be given out like Franco has called for then he must be judged as the infringing party. They have tried to use Zarco's previous record against him but in this case and last week he appeared to do nothing wrong and has certainly not been any worse than others out on track.

IMO Rossi has once again used his considerable following to ostracise another rider whom refuses to bow down at his feet. It all started in Austin when Zarco dared to overtake him.
 
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I remember Marquez had thought that and watching it live I had a similar feeling. But Marquez being there was one of the misjudgements he made in 2015. With the rate Rossi was catching him, if he hadn't slowed down Rossi maybe only would have just caught him. But Rossi is and always has been ruthless, he is not in a position to judge other or condemn others for dangerous moves.

The way I see it and the way it has always been judged is that unless there is a brake check (something else Rossi has been guilty of in the past) then it is the rider behind who is responsible. That doesn't mean I personally believe Franco is to blame, it's a racing incident but Zarco overtook him as he is allowed to do, ran wide and the Franco slammed into the back of his bike. If a penalty is to be given out like Franco has called for then he must be judged as the infringing party. They have tried to use Zarco's previous record against him but in this case and last week he appeared to do nothing wrong and has certainly not been any worse than others out on track.

IMO Rossi has once again used his considerable following to ostracise another rider whom refuses to bow down at his feet. It all started in Austin when Zarco dared to overtake him.
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My view and the view of Crafar, Stoner etc is that the speed differential is too great going into that corner.

Rossi probably did brake check MM at Argentina 2015, and Stoner when he put his bike down rather than plough into a Rossi which would have been in his interests at Laguna Seca 2008, to say nothing of Jerez 2010 or the famed Corkscrew incident itself where it was entirely in Stoner’s hands that he didn’t get T-boned at a fairly high speed after what was pretty much a lose after going into a corner too hot
 
I’m just going to put it here. But engine wise how ...... are Yamaha? The engines are homologated for next season as well. Does this mean that if Yamaha has made a serious error in their engine design they still have to use the exact same design and components for next year?
 

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