2019 Misano - Gran Premio Octo di San Marino e della Riviera di Rimini

Keshav · Sep 15, 2019

AJV80 said:
I'd love to have seen Quartararo win his first race, he definitely put in the effort and missed out only by 5/8ths of .... all, he pretty much embarrassed the other Yamaha's in the process.

But the race was very dull up until the last lap battle and Marc's superhuman performance really rubbed salt into Rossi's still unhealed wounds, salt extracted from the gallons of tears cried by the yellow Misano fans, making the win all the sweeter.

Pretty awesome rides by both of them!!

Hated to think it, but I reckon we all knew that last lap pass was inevitable. Quatarraro's got nothing to be ashamed about. Fastest Yamaha ahead of much more experienced riders on full factory bikes. Starting to think he ain't a flash in the pan. Knew the Ducatis wouldn't fare well but gutted they did so badly.

Keshav · Sep 15, 2019

moto vudu said:
Right, so Marc has positioned himself behind Rossi in qualifying 4 times this season because he's actually attempting to give Rossi a "push" instead of getting a tow.

I'd wager he's just ....... with Rossi, because a tow from a rider so much slower than yourself, is useless.

moto vudu · Sep 15, 2019

Keshav said:
I'd wager he's just ....... with Rossi, because a tow from a rider so much slower than yourself, is useless.

He probably is ....... with Rossi somewhat, but unless drastically slower, any rider punching a hole in the air for him to tuck behind and get a slipstream from is useful. Also having a rider in front to use as a reference is helpful. Rossi doesn't have to be on a pole setting pace (just close to it), watch Silverstone Q2 and you'll see just how helpful Rossi can be for towing Marquez.

moto vudu · Sep 15, 2019

Good race by Quatarraro, his bike is down on power & speed yet he held off Marquez til the last lap. Quatarraro needs to be on a factory M1, once that happens he's likely the rider to consistently be able to challenge Marc.

Keshav · Sep 15, 2019

moto vudu said:
He probably is ....... with Rossi somewhat, but unless drastically slower, any rider punching a hole in the air for him to tuck behind and get a slipstream from is useful. Also having a rider in front to use as a reference is helpful. Rossi doesn't have to be on a pole setting pace (just close to it), watch Silverstone Q2 and you'll see just how helpful Rossi can be for towing Marquez.

A reference for what exactly? The only rider to win more times at Misano (in the interval since he started riding in the premiere class) was Dani. A time period BTW - during which Rossi has only won once. Hardly the template for being more competitive at Misano.

moto vudu · Sep 15, 2019

Keshav said:
A reference for what exactly? The only rider to win more times at Misano (in the interval since he started riding in the premiere class) was Dani. A time period BTW - during which Rossi has only won once. Hardly the template for being more competitive at Misano.

Having a rider in front to follow helps you see your lines through the corners and your braking zones. Does Marc need another rider for this? Probably not, but he'll take any advantage he can get whenever he can get it.

evo9 · Sep 15, 2019

moto vudu said:
Having a rider in front to follow helps you see your lines through the corners and your braking zones. Does Marc need another rider for this? Probably not, but he'll take any advantage he can get whenever he can get it.[

And what is the problem with him doing that? Just like war, any competitive sport requires knowing your opponent weakness.

Keshav · Sep 15, 2019

evo9 said:
And what is the problem with him doing that? Just like war, any competitive sport requires knowing your opponent weakness.

Of course if that were his motivation, he would be following Rins, Vinales, or Quatarrao . . . you know, the guys who are actually competing regularly for podiums.

imunderandoverit · Sep 15, 2019

Vinales doing what he does best. Dropping down the field as usual.

michaelm · Sep 15, 2019

On reflection a little sad. If Rossi had retired in 2009 post the 9th title i don’t think anyone could have made a definite case for MM being his superior. Playing games with MM even with MM simultaneously with MM gaming him at a stage in his career when MM can constantly annihilate him in the actual races can’t be very rewarding for him.

Mick D · Sep 15, 2019

Keshav said:
Hated to think it, but I reckon we all knew that last lap pass was inevitable. Quatarraro's got nothing to be ashamed about. Fastest Yamaha ahead of much more experienced riders on full factory bikes. Starting to think he ain't a flash in the pan. Knew the Ducatis wouldn't fare well but gutted they did so badly.

The satellite Yam is pretty damn forgiving... Fab's season very much mimics Zarco's experiences on the Yam...

Mick D · Sep 15, 2019

MotoGP.com's announcers are ........ I much prefer BT...

Freakin' twats on MGP.com were literally stumped by Maverick's performance... it was a virtual carbon copy of his current style - 1 or 2 fast laps... 1/2 a race at 3/4 pace... then he gets on it... he said it himself in parc ferme.

ratdeal · Sep 15, 2019

Mick D said:
The satellite Yam is pretty damn forgiving... Fab's season very much mimics Zarco's experiences on the Yam...

I'd hazard a guess that the reduced RPM and power flatters the rider and chassis.

Yamaha Factory keep chasing horsepower figures but destroy some aspect of the bike each iteration.

Plus Yamaha management have proven themselves to be inept at best in recent years. Both in terms of rider management and development path.

If I were Fabio I'd stick with Petronas SRT but demand a factory bike. Let the factory boys do all the donkey work and sift through the chaff and get the wheaty upgrades without the added hassle of evaluating all the parts. The cherry on top would be continuing to work in a harmonious garage with Wilco Zeelenberg at the helm instead of that strange little man Lin who looks like a sour puckered prune.

misfit · Sep 16, 2019

Great ride there by Fabio!! He really is great on the Yamaha. I wonder how he'd do on a Ducati or Honda? MM, there as always... bloody brilliant yet again.

The press conference was really entertaining as well. I find the riders speak very well about their riding and the races so I do go out of my way to watch the post race press conferences. Fabio comes across as a highly intelligent and thoughtful rider. It's a pleasure listening to him speak. He has won me over as a budding fan.

It was 'scary' listening to MM explain why he's able to make the Honda do things the other riders can't. He said that if he loses the front he knows that he can often save a crash with his elbow!! :blink: For this reason he can afford to be more often on the limit than the others. Fabio also described a moment on the final lap where he thought there was no way Marc could have made a corner but somehow, he managed to keep the line.

The factory Yamaha's seem to be struggling with traction, but then so did Morbidelli. Vinales admitted that with a change of riding style, he did manage to have better pace which makes one seriously wonder just how much the Yamaha, in its current state, needs a particular riding technique to make it lap faster and that Fabio does a great job of it.

As I thought, the ding dong of MM challengers continues. Rins was nowhere in quali, the race and finished his inspiring weekend with a crash..... :cry:

The Burning Barber · Sep 16, 2019

I haven't watched the post race interviews but whilst having come closer than ever to grabbing that first win and come up short, I think over the next few days (if not already) Fabio will look back on Sunday's race as an incredible achievement and milestone towards his development as a MotoGp rider. Not many experienced riders (let alone a rookie) can say they've had a toe to toe showdown with arguably the hardest rider to bet against. Fabio is showing a lot of potential and I think Marc knows it. Mr Yamaha might have been wearing a Maverick hat on race day, but I think it will be Fabio that will be on his mind today.

Keshav · Sep 16, 2019

Mick D said:
The satellite Yam is pretty damn forgiving... Fab's season very much mimics Zarco's experiences on the Yam...

That of course, is the elephant in the room. It'd be a ..... if he got on a factory M1 and turned into Vinales.

p4p1 · Sep 16, 2019

The Burning Barber said:
I haven't watched the post race interviews but whilst having come closer than ever to grabbing that first win and come up short, I think over the next few days (if not already) Fabio will look back on Sunday's race as an incredible achievement and milestone towards his development as a MotoGp rider. Not many experienced riders (let alone a rookie) can say they've had a toe to toe showdown with arguably the hardest rider to bet against. Fabio is showing a lot of potential and I think Marc knows it. Mr Yamaha might have been wearing a Maverick hat on race day, but I think it will be Fabio that will be on his mind today.

Can’t wait to see what happens next year. Yamaha have to be so careful not to lose him early in the season they did previously with Lorenzo and when they signed Rossi and Vinales so quickly as well.

p4p1 · Sep 16, 2019

Keshav said:
That of course, is the elephant in the room. It'd be a ..... if he got on a factory M1 and turned into Vinales.

With Zarco and Fabio using Lorenzo type setting + by their own admission copying Lorenzo’s style as much as they can. I have to wonder what happens when Lorenzo’s data is no longer useable? Both have favoured Lorenzo developed chassis, how different is the one the Vinales and Rossi have ‘developed’?

I believe Fabio is making a better showing than Vinales ever did because Vinales’ short comings were there often during his Suzuki days. I can’t remember if his poor starts were there but his inability to make a pass on a slower rider where as clear as day and I said as much when he switched to Yamaha.

But things can change when you jump onto a factory bike and Fabio wouldn’t be the first nor would he be the last rider to make the expected jump.

misfit · Sep 16, 2019

p4p1 said:
With Zarco and Fabio using Lorenzo type setting + by their own admission copying Lorenzo’s style as much as they can. I have to wonder what happens when Lorenzo’s data is no longer useable? Both have favoured Lorenzo developed chassis, how different is the one the Vinales and Rossi have ‘developed’?

I believe Fabio is making a better showing than Vinales ever did because Vinales’ short comings were there often during his Suzuki days. I can’t remember if his poor starts were there but his inability to make a pass on a slower rider where as clear as day and I said as much when he switched to Yamaha.

But things can change when you jump onto a factory bike and Fabio wouldn’t be the first nor would he be the last rider to make the expected jump.

That ability varies a lot among the riders. I agree that it's one of Vinales' weaknesses. He blames the bike while Rossi is able to overtake if he's quicker than the bike in front. But yes, I'm curious to see how Fabio would perform with a factory spec bike.

Jorge was nowhere again on Sunday. I do wonder at times if he's happy that he has his run of injuries to use as a buffer of an excuse to account for his current difficulties. He did admit though that he was in less pain than at Silverstone and yet, he finished further behind Marquez.

Hollywood · Sep 16, 2019

misfit said:
Jorge was nowhere again on Sunday. I do wonder at times if he's happy that he has his run of injuries to use as a buffer of an excuse to account for his current difficulties. He did admit though that he was in less pain than at Silverstone and yet, he finished further behind Marquez.

Is it an excuse, whats going on with Honda these days? Take Marquez out of the equation, and Honda would be in real ....... the first few races of the season, I really thought JLo was the problem, but based on how the other Hondas are doing I'm starting to think its the bike.

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